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May 13, 2006 6:00 AM PDT

Why the world doesn't need high-def DVDs

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Toshiba's HD DVD player is first volley in absurd format war among titans of movie, electronics, computer industries.
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DVD vs. HD-DVD
by rewjr May 13, 2006 6:26 AM PDT
"What's wrong with the original DVD format, anyway? It offers brilliant picture, thundering surround sound and bonus material."

It is simple when viewing 480i/p DVD movies on a large picture ( mine is 110" ) the smearovision result simply sucks . This is why we need an HDTV resoultion 720P/1080i/1080P pixel count so when we view it on home theatre size screens we get stunning sharp picture .

The second part is the audio codecs have greatly improved and allow a much more dynamic surround sound track and and therefore enhance the audio experience for people who have hi-fi surround sound systems.

This in my case surpasses any Movie Theatre in my city of Ottawa ,Canada interms of total picture and surround sound experience.
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But...
by nightveil May 13, 2006 11:49 PM PDT
Most folks can only dream of a huge TV, let alone devote space
to one, so the size factor is a moot point to them. Likewise, even
folks who have a surround system that's been laid out properly
don't get that much use from them because, on the whole, most
movies don't really make use of the 5/6/7 speaker field during
the final mixdown. (This is from my own experience, mind, and
not empirical data.)

Essentially, the majority of the DVD user base will need to be
convinced that the current standard DVD format is "bad" before
they'll go and spend a few hundred bucks on upgraded hardware
and software.

If the winning format manages to build backward compatibility
in to the player (that is, allow the player to play all DVD format
discs in whatever region the player it sold in) then the current
market might be a bit more easily pursuaded. Otherwise it's
going to be a long uphill fight.
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DVD vs. HD-DVD
by rewjr May 13, 2006 6:26 AM PDT
"What's wrong with the original DVD format, anyway? It offers brilliant picture, thundering surround sound and bonus material."

It is simple when viewing 480i/p DVD movies on a large picture ( mine is 110" ) the smearovision result simply sucks . This is why we need an HDTV resoultion 720P/1080i/1080P pixel count so when we view it on home theatre size screens we get stunning sharp picture .

The second part is the audio codecs have greatly improved and allow a much more dynamic surround sound track and and therefore enhance the audio experience for people who have hi-fi surround sound systems.

This in my case surpasses any Movie Theatre in my city of Ottawa ,Canada interms of total picture and surround sound experience.
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But...
by nightveil May 13, 2006 11:49 PM PDT
Most folks can only dream of a huge TV, let alone devote space
to one, so the size factor is a moot point to them. Likewise, even
folks who have a surround system that's been laid out properly
don't get that much use from them because, on the whole, most
movies don't really make use of the 5/6/7 speaker field during
the final mixdown. (This is from my own experience, mind, and
not empirical data.)

Essentially, the majority of the DVD user base will need to be
convinced that the current standard DVD format is "bad" before
they'll go and spend a few hundred bucks on upgraded hardware
and software.

If the winning format manages to build backward compatibility
in to the player (that is, allow the player to play all DVD format
discs in whatever region the player it sold in) then the current
market might be a bit more easily pursuaded. Otherwise it's
going to be a long uphill fight.
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We do need high-def discs!
by tonybelding May 13, 2006 6:46 AM PDT
Although I think a lot of the concerns raised in the article are
right on the mark, I have a few quibbles with this notion of DVDs
being good enough.

DVD do not provide "brilliant picture". Their picture quality is
limited by the ancient NTSC video standard, and is basically the
same as what LaserDisc format provided since 1978. I, for one,
believe in progress and do not want to be stuck with 1978 video
quality from now on.

The whole transition to HDTV has been going on for years now.
Most TV stations are broadcasting some shows in HD. Stores
are full of big, wide-screen sets hanging on the walls. Cable
and satellite are showing HD. You can now get PVRs that record
HD. Everything is coming together. . . except some practical
way of buying or renting movies! The HD disc format is literally
years overdue, it's the main thing holding back HDTV.

As for planned obsolescence . . . Nobody forced you to throw
out all your old VHS movies and buy everything again on DVD.
Nobody is going to force you to replace all your DVDs with HD
discs.

The good news is that HD is the end of that cycle. With HD you
can view the whole back catalog of movies -- going back to the
1930s or even further -- pretty much the way they were meant
to be seen in theaters. HD is the end of the line, there's
nowhere to go after that. Oh, there could be 3D in the future, or
some kind of IMAX-like format, or even Smell-O-Vision, who
knows? But none of those things will make My Fair Lady look or
sound any better than it does in HD.
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We do need high-def discs!
by tonybelding May 13, 2006 6:46 AM PDT
Although I think a lot of the concerns raised in the article are
right on the mark, I have a few quibbles with this notion of DVDs
being good enough.

DVD do not provide "brilliant picture". Their picture quality is
limited by the ancient NTSC video standard, and is basically the
same as what LaserDisc format provided since 1978. I, for one,
believe in progress and do not want to be stuck with 1978 video
quality from now on.

The whole transition to HDTV has been going on for years now.
Most TV stations are broadcasting some shows in HD. Stores
are full of big, wide-screen sets hanging on the walls. Cable
and satellite are showing HD. You can now get PVRs that record
HD. Everything is coming together. . . except some practical
way of buying or renting movies! The HD disc format is literally
years overdue, it's the main thing holding back HDTV.

As for planned obsolescence . . . Nobody forced you to throw
out all your old VHS movies and buy everything again on DVD.
Nobody is going to force you to replace all your DVDs with HD
discs.

The good news is that HD is the end of that cycle. With HD you
can view the whole back catalog of movies -- going back to the
1930s or even further -- pretty much the way they were meant
to be seen in theaters. HD is the end of the line, there's
nowhere to go after that. Oh, there could be 3D in the future, or
some kind of IMAX-like format, or even Smell-O-Vision, who
knows? But none of those things will make My Fair Lady look or
sound any better than it does in HD.
Reply to this comment
We do need high-def discs!
by tonybelding May 13, 2006 6:50 AM PDT
Although I think a lot of the concerns raised in the article are
right on the mark, I have a few quibbles with this notion of DVDs
being good enough.

DVD do not provide "brilliant picture". Their picture quality is
limited by the ancient NTSC video standard, and is basically the
same as what LaserDisc format provided since 1978. I, for one,
believe in progress and do not want to be stuck with 1978 video
quality from now on.

The whole transition to HDTV has been going on for years now.
Most TV stations are broadcasting some shows in HD. Stores
are full of big, wide-screen sets hanging on the walls. Cable
and satellite are showing HD. You can now get PVRs that record
HD. Everything is coming together. . . except some practical
way of buying or renting movies! The HD disc format is literally
years overdue, it's the main thing holding back HDTV.

Yes, I see a need for high-def discs -- and that's what makes it
so frustrating to see all this nonsense the industry is piling onto
them: draconian DRM, down-rezzing, the whole format war.
And, as the article notes, still not being able to skip the FBI
warning. If the companies really want their products to be a
success, why are they jerking us (consumers) around this way?

As for planned obsolescence . . . Nobody forced you to throw
out all your old VHS movies and buy everything again on DVD.
Nobody is going to force you to replace all your DVDs with HD
discs.

The good news is that HD is the end of that cycle. With HD you
can view the whole back catalog of movies -- going back to the
1930s or even further -- pretty much the way they were meant
to be seen in theaters. HD is the end of the line, there's
nowhere to go after that. Oh, there could be 3D in the future, or
some kind of IMAX-like format, or even Smell-O-Vision, who
knows? But none of those things will make My Fair Lady look or
sound any better than it does in HD.
Reply to this comment
We do need high-def discs!
by tonybelding May 13, 2006 6:50 AM PDT
Although I think a lot of the concerns raised in the article are
right on the mark, I have a few quibbles with this notion of DVDs
being good enough.

DVD do not provide "brilliant picture". Their picture quality is
limited by the ancient NTSC video standard, and is basically the
same as what LaserDisc format provided since 1978. I, for one,
believe in progress and do not want to be stuck with 1978 video
quality from now on.

The whole transition to HDTV has been going on for years now.
Most TV stations are broadcasting some shows in HD. Stores
are full of big, wide-screen sets hanging on the walls. Cable
and satellite are showing HD. You can now get PVRs that record
HD. Everything is coming together. . . except some practical
way of buying or renting movies! The HD disc format is literally
years overdue, it's the main thing holding back HDTV.

Yes, I see a need for high-def discs -- and that's what makes it
so frustrating to see all this nonsense the industry is piling onto
them: draconian DRM, down-rezzing, the whole format war.
And, as the article notes, still not being able to skip the FBI
warning. If the companies really want their products to be a
success, why are they jerking us (consumers) around this way?

As for planned obsolescence . . . Nobody forced you to throw
out all your old VHS movies and buy everything again on DVD.
Nobody is going to force you to replace all your DVDs with HD
discs.

The good news is that HD is the end of that cycle. With HD you
can view the whole back catalog of movies -- going back to the
1930s or even further -- pretty much the way they were meant
to be seen in theaters. HD is the end of the line, there's
nowhere to go after that. Oh, there could be 3D in the future, or
some kind of IMAX-like format, or even Smell-O-Vision, who
knows? But none of those things will make My Fair Lady look or
sound any better than it does in HD.
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Very cautiou
by Earl Benser May 13, 2006 7:10 AM PDT
I will consider spending money weh:

1. the HD-DVD/Blu-ray squabble is resolved - and NO dual
formals

2. Prices are reduced to realistic values

3. DRM is abandoned as draconian

4. Connections are simplified, and unrestricted

I assume that the big format DVD manufacturers have some
intention of including me a a customer. That is okay as long as
they come up with products worth buying. So far, they haven't
started.
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I could care less about
by paulsecic May 13, 2006 10:38 AM PDT
HDTV, HD DVF DD or whatever. Its crapola!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Very cautiou
by Earl Benser May 13, 2006 7:10 AM PDT
I will consider spending money weh:

1. the HD-DVD/Blu-ray squabble is resolved - and NO dual
formals

2. Prices are reduced to realistic values

3. DRM is abandoned as draconian

4. Connections are simplified, and unrestricted

I assume that the big format DVD manufacturers have some
intention of including me a a customer. That is okay as long as
they come up with products worth buying. So far, they haven't
started.
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I could care less about
by paulsecic May 13, 2006 10:38 AM PDT
HDTV, HD DVF DD or whatever. Its crapola!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Finally! A Voice of Reason!
by Craig Stevenson May 13, 2006 7:50 AM PDT
You are the lone Spock on a ship full of enterprising fools!

HD just isn't worth the cost. Yes, it's a big improvement over
standard DVD and TV but at what a cost! Re-buy all your DVD's at
up to twice the price, then buy an HDTV at somewhere in the
neighborhood of 10 times the price!?!

That is not logical.
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Finally! A Voice of Reason!
by Craig Stevenson May 13, 2006 7:50 AM PDT
You are the lone Spock on a ship full of enterprising fools!

HD just isn't worth the cost. Yes, it's a big improvement over
standard DVD and TV but at what a cost! Re-buy all your DVD's at
up to twice the price, then buy an HDTV at somewhere in the
neighborhood of 10 times the price!?!

That is not logical.
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Talk to me after you've gotten a hi-def set
by joshuaguttman May 13, 2006 8:03 AM PDT
Regular tv is pitiful. DVD is a little better. Write this article again after you've purchased a nice hi-def system.
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talk to me when...
by TheShane May 15, 2006 8:49 AM PDT
... the average consumer can afford to upgrade to HDTV.

2 Key reasons why new formats fail:
- Price to upgrade
- DRM Overkill

Why should a consumer pay more for less because they don't have a super secure digital connection for Audio or Video?
Talk to me after you've gotten a hi-def set
by joshuaguttman May 13, 2006 8:03 AM PDT
Regular tv is pitiful. DVD is a little better. Write this article again after you've purchased a nice hi-def system.
Reply to this comment
talk to me when...
by TheShane May 15, 2006 8:49 AM PDT
... the average consumer can afford to upgrade to HDTV.

2 Key reasons why new formats fail:
- Price to upgrade
- DRM Overkill

Why should a consumer pay more for less because they don't have a super secure digital connection for Audio or Video?
Another Beta vs. VHS war
by Shutterstuff May 13, 2006 9:02 AM PDT
I am usually an early adopter of new technology and was the first among my friends to own a CD player by several years. But I was also a Beta owner and will never do that again! Fool me once...
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Another Beta vs. VHS war
by Shutterstuff May 13, 2006 9:02 AM PDT
I am usually an early adopter of new technology and was the first among my friends to own a CD player by several years. But I was also a Beta owner and will never do that again! Fool me once...
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I'll wait for blu-ray
by Roman12 May 13, 2006 9:18 AM PDT
This article presents an important point, so what I'm going to do is wait for the PS3's November release, and get one then. It's a pretty safe investment because even if Blu-Ray doesn't win, you're not disappointed because you're still left with an awsome game system. So It's almost a win-win situation, or more like a win--not-completely-lose situation.
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Same boat different ship
by Soulwolf May 15, 2006 9:24 PM PDT
I will likely get the 360 add on for HD DVD if it's really cheap. I love the 360 so if I lose and it's only $100 then it will not hurt as much as the way UMD is doing.
Same boat different ship
by Soulwolf May 15, 2006 9:26 PM PDT
I will likely get the 360 add on for HD DVD if it's really cheap. I love the 360 so if I lose and it's only $100 then it will not hurt as much as the way UMD is doing.
I'll wait for blu-ray
by Roman12 May 13, 2006 9:18 AM PDT
This article presents an important point, so what I'm going to do is wait for the PS3's November release, and get one then. It's a pretty safe investment because even if Blu-Ray doesn't win, you're not disappointed because you're still left with an awsome game system. So It's almost a win-win situation, or more like a win--not-completely-lose situation.
______________________________
R.K.
http://www.Remove-All-Spyware.com
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Same boat different ship
by Soulwolf May 15, 2006 9:24 PM PDT
I will likely get the 360 add on for HD DVD if it's really cheap. I love the 360 so if I lose and it's only $100 then it will not hurt as much as the way UMD is doing.
Same boat different ship
by Soulwolf May 15, 2006 9:26 PM PDT
I will likely get the 360 add on for HD DVD if it's really cheap. I love the 360 so if I lose and it's only $100 then it will not hurt as much as the way UMD is doing.
Another NYT Make Believe News Report.
by kamwmail-cnet1 May 13, 2006 9:44 AM PDT
I think they also said: why would the world need DVD's? the CD's are enough. There was a prior NYT work on: why would the world need CD's? the floppy's can handle everything and is rewritable.

New York Times - All The News Fit To Lie About.
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Another NYT Make Believe News Report.
by kamwmail-cnet1 May 13, 2006 9:44 AM PDT
I think they also said: why would the world need DVD's? the CD's are enough. There was a prior NYT work on: why would the world need CD's? the floppy's can handle everything and is rewritable.

New York Times - All The News Fit To Lie About.
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Why the world doesn'n need the New York Times
by grangerfx May 13, 2006 11:21 AM PDT
When did you first become cynical about the press?

Was it when reporters started publishing opinion as news stories? Was it when some reporters just plain made up stories? Was it when the news being reported was spun with a political agenda? Perhaps it was "news" stories like this one that don't actually contain any news at all.

Probably more cynical than ever.
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this is not a "news" story, it's opinion
by May 15, 2006 9:25 AM PDT
Perhaps you fail to understand the difference between opinion and news. This is a column, opinion, not news. Certainly there are plenty of "news" stories in the NYT that contain a lot of opinion, which is wrong. But in this case, the writer is clearly offering opinion. It's a review. Hard to do those without telling people what you t hink.
Why the world doesn'n need the New York Times
by grangerfx May 13, 2006 11:21 AM PDT
When did you first become cynical about the press?

Was it when reporters started publishing opinion as news stories? Was it when some reporters just plain made up stories? Was it when the news being reported was spun with a political agenda? Perhaps it was "news" stories like this one that don't actually contain any news at all.

Probably more cynical than ever.
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this is not a "news" story, it's opinion
by May 15, 2006 9:25 AM PDT
Perhaps you fail to understand the difference between opinion and news. This is a column, opinion, not news. Certainly there are plenty of "news" stories in the NYT that contain a lot of opinion, which is wrong. But in this case, the writer is clearly offering opinion. It's a review. Hard to do those without telling people what you t hink.
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