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When the PC becomes a parenting problem

By Stefanie Olsen
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: October 11, 2007 4:00 a.m. PDT
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When Hemi Zucker's 8-year-old son began refusing to leave the computer for the dinner table, things came to a head.

His wife, frustrated by the many hours a week their son plays games online and his vehemence to stretch out the fun, banned the computer altogether.

"The computer is the 'c' word in our house," said Zucker, a Los Angeles resident.

The Zuckers aren't alone with the creeping feeling that their kids are spending too much time online. About a third of parents believe the Internet sucks up too much of their child's time, according to at least two studies this year. And an annual report from the University of Southern California's Annenberg School Center for the Digital Future shows that number has risen steadily since 2000, when only 11 percent of parents cited the issue.

To add perspective, nearly half of parents (48.6 percent) complained that their kids watch too much television in the 2007 study--the highest level in the six years of USC's digital future project. So TV certainly hasn't lost its stature in the home.

It's hard to predict whether the computer will outpace TV on the list of parental frustrations, but the studies and trends elevate its status. As more schools adopt a digital curriculum, children are spending more time in front of a computer screen at home and school to complete coursework. That alone could lend to a feeling among parents that kids are online too much. But where it gets sticky is that the Internet is also a hub for socializing, self-expression, play and time-shifted television, making it irresistible to more kids.

"Nobody knows how to bait a hook, but they know how to download and install a Windows file."
--Wayne Crews, Fairfax, Wash.

One parent described the phenomenon like this: "Their school life, TV life and their social networking is happening online," said Wayne Crews, a father of four in Fairfax, Wash. "Nobody knows how to bait a hook, but they know how to download and install a Windows file."

So how much is too much? Experts say there's no hard and fast rule for each family, and it should vary according to the child's age and school curriculum. Jim Steyer, founder and CEO of kids media-education group Common Sense Media, said pre-kindergarten children should likely stay off the computer altogether, but older "tweens" may need to spend an hour or more on the computer each day for homework.

"If it's getting in the way of other activities, like being outside and spending time with parents, then it's too much," Steyer said.

Steyer himself has a family rule that bars his kids from watching TV or playing computer games during the week because he and his wife want them to play outside.

How much time online?
On average, more than three-quarters of Americans age 12 and older spend about 8.9 hours online per week, up about an hour from a 2005 study from the USC-Annenberg Digital Future Project. But young people, specifically ages 8 to 18, spend about an hour on the computer and 49 minutes playing video games per day, according to the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation.

Crews, director of technology studies at the policy advocacy group Competitive Enterprise Institute, said his daughters, 8 and 11, are addicted to Webkinz, a virtual world populated by digital pets. But he and his wife limit the time they can spend playing and socializing on the site to about an hour a day (the same time limits they set with TV), so Crews takes a positive view of their time spent on the computer. That's particularly important considering the kids are doing more of their homework online and potentially watching streaming TV shows over broadband.

"Teaching kids that using the Web is a privilege not a right, that's very important from the beginning because good media habits can last a lifetime."
--Jim Steyer, CEO, Common Sense Media

"The same way they might be watching TV and look down at a textbook, now they might be on Blackboard.com (a school curriculum Web site) and then toggle over to Webkinz," Crews said.

Crews' wife also limits their 13-year-old son to two hours a day playing computer games like Halo on the Xbox.

Crews added: "You don't want them to turn into jelly. You limit what they do, but I don't think they miss out on imaginative play by doing things online. They can get a lot more out of playing Halo than with the Play-Doh Fun Factory."

Some parents believe the computer is just supplanting the TV as the predominant screen in the home. But some industry experts say that the computer is different because it's more interactive--involving games and socializing. However, it's similar to TV in that it often means the child is sedentary. And some research has shown that computer games and the Internet can be more addictive than TV viewing.

Bobbie Carlton, director of marketing for Beacon Street Girls, a kids' social network, said she limits her boys, who are ages 5 and 10, to one hour of screen-time--whether it's video games, TV, DVDs or the computer--per day. And she enforces the time limit by setting a kitchen timer.

She added that it can be hard to always set a good example because she's online for work so much. "It's hard for the pot to be calling the kettle black," Carlton said.

Steyer said it's important for parents to set time limits for children when they're young, even if they're in preschool, so they know how much time they can spend online or with TV and video. He added that parents should keep the computer in a common family room, and talk regularly with their kids about what they do on the computer.

Still, the Zuckers aren't alone in taking the computer away. In 2006, USC reported that almost 50 percent of parents had withheld Internet use from their child as a form of punishment.

"Teaching kids that using the Web is a privilege not a right, that's very important from the beginning because good media habits can last a lifetime," Steyer said.

Send insights or tips on this topic to stefanie.olsen@cnet.com.


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Just Use Parental Controls
by ehfla October 11, 2007 4:15 AM PDT
With Vista, you can limit the hours that your kids can use the computer. You can also limit which web sites they visit.
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Boo Hoo...Poor Parents...
by arobb24143 October 11, 2007 5:09 AM PDT
This article highlights a bigger issue...parents who don't know how to parent. We, my wife and I, give our kids a lot of freedom to choose how they spend their free time, but at the end of the day what we say...goes. That's our job as parents. Parent first...friend second. Granted it's simply more than telling a child what to do...it requires spending a lot of quality time so that they know you really care and are not just ruling their world. When it comes to computers (we have six in the house), I tell them straight up...not only am I your parent...I'm your system administrator !! Ever hear of a router? I can control access and with the router's logging capability I can see where they go. I have their Outlook set to leave copies of email, sent to them, on the server so I can view at my discretion. etc etc So I say...Boo Hoo to these parents...you are your own worst enemy. You've enabled your children to walk all over you and until you change your parenting tactics...they will continue to do so.
regards,
allan
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Poor parents
by ognen_93 October 11, 2007 5:25 AM PDT
I know... Hard to belive... but truth...
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Pathetic
by nicmart October 11, 2007 6:51 AM PDT
American parents are role models for helplessness. Turn off the
damned computer! Turn off the TV! The truth is that many
parents don't object to these devices, they use them as
surrogate parents.

How pitiful is the parent who can't set rules for his child's
computer use because he spends time on a computer himself.
Must children be able to do everything their parents do?

Set rules and live by them; and don't be such a selfish and lazy
parent disengaged from your kid. Problem solved.

"In the United States today, there is a pervasive tendency to treat
children as adults, and adults as children. The options of
children are thus steadily expanded, while those of adults are
progressively constricted. The result is unruly children and
childish adults." -- Thomas Szasz
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When Parents are the Parenting Problem
by ColdMast October 11, 2007 7:36 AM PDT
the PC is a requirement for learning now, the most general jobs require a computer.

It is up to the parent to do the parenting. The TV and PC aren't going to make the kid do the choirs, go outside and get physical activity, or eat healthy.
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Simple, but hard
by Dr_Zinj October 11, 2007 8:17 AM PDT
Assign them tasks to do. Chores, reading, exercise, homework, extra curricular ACTIVITIES. Keep them busy actually doing things. Restrict their time of access to an hour of free time and pull the plug (sometimes literally) when it's over.
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from the veiw of a 14-years kid!
by VWXYZadam October 12, 2007 5:33 AM PDT
im a 14 years old boy, and i use the computer ALOT! up to 6 hours a day.

but it seems like I have a bigger problem with it than my parents. my parents let me do like i want on the web because they trust me, and so far they have had no reason not to!

i do well at school, very well actuly and in 8. grade it aren't to hard so homework isn't a big time eater (normaly 10 minuts, when projekt up to max. 1 hour)

I'm pretty in to healthy life, and want to live long and most importent of all live well (not get sick when im 60 and live the last 30 years of my life half dead) so im eating healty and going to a bit sports (4 hours a week)and in week ends i go at least one long walk.

that is importent for me to feel like im not are pure computer nerd, besides that i very creative with my computer, using The GIMP, Maya and hoping to get PhotoShop some day.

and know what? all my freinds are like me, some even worse with computer

im happy as i live right now ^^ but hope that i in the future can spend less time on the computer and more time with freinds (freinds more than 4 days a week) but right now i don't feel like having a problem

im one of the most active in my class and in gym i can see the resultat, am faster, stronger, and more cleaver than the most others so don't planning on spending much lesser time on the computer ^^
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I am a 12 years old kid and I've got 5 eMails
by kinoc2 October 12, 2007 7:56 AM PDT
Ok. Children do stay a lot at computers I mean my life is my computer, but ain't that good? I mean, I've got 5 Emails with all different passwords and I am not going bad at school actually I am one of the best students and whenever I don't know something I search on the web. I enter here every day and spend at least 30 minutes reading reviews and news. Well I know what to buy and where to buy everything. That made me smart.NOT STUPID.
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The parent is the problem, not the PC
by b_baggins October 12, 2007 8:02 AM PDT
The moment I saw the line "began refusing" I knew all I needed to know.

In my house, my 8-year has learned that when I say dinner, he comes. The idea of refusing doesn't even enter his mind because he knows what the consequence will be.

In my house, it would never get to the point where I would have to ban the computer because my child was refusing to come to dinner, because my child wouldn't be on the computer without explicit permission in the first place.

Let me give a tip to you parents out there struggling with this issue.

The first time your 8-year old refuses to obey you, realize that you have screwed up as a parent. Suck it up, and take confidence in the fact that with your child at the age of 8, you still have time to repair the damage.

Now, once the child refuses to obey, you immediately go over to said child, lay a good whack on his butt and tell him: that wasn't a request, get your butt over to the dinner table. Now.

Depending on how slack a parent you have been, you may need to repeat this a few more times over the next couple of weeks until your child realizes that disobedience will be consistently punished.

And just FYI, I am the father of 10 children, none of whom have EVER refused to walk away from the computer for dinner.
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Computer time isn't a problem
by zgreenwell October 12, 2007 10:36 AM PDT
Given that most creative people of our day spend tons of time on the computer I don't see the computer itself as a problem. If the kids are doing things that are inappropriate it is their actions that are the problem. Most kids are spending their time online socializing with friend. I doubt parents would look on five children sitting in the same room talking as a problem. However, if that conversation takes place over the internet it is somehow wrong. Further, the skills that these kids develop using a computer will be more helpful to them when trying to find employment in the future. I don't think it should come at the expense of physical fitness, but to just tell the kids to get off the computer and go outside is hardly a solution. Se an example by taking the family out to exercise together once in a while and supervise their behavior online, but don't just blindly limit their time.
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The More Time The more The Tech Chance
by Ristic Break October 12, 2007 11:06 AM PDT
Iam 12 year Old i have +75 Email Accounts. Since The computer Entered my life 5 years ago I knewed nothing about tech but internet made me a techie
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The more things change...
by itstheoldindy October 12, 2007 11:31 AM PDT
Ever since I was old enough to want to watch something other than Sesame Street, we had screen-time limits in our house. It was something like an hour on weekdays and two hours on Saturdays. When we got a computer, that didn't change -- if we wanted to play games for half an hour, we had half an hour less TV that day. (When I decided I was interested in writing, my parents agreed with me that I didn't have to limit my writing time on the computer any more than I had to limit my writing time in a notebook.)

I admit that as an adult I go through phases of being glued to the computer for no good reason, but if nothing else my parents taught me that it isn't healthy to do that for too long, any more than it's healthy to crash out in front of the TV for four hours a night. If I catch myself doing that I can shake myself out of it before I start engaging in truly addictive behaviour.

The computer is such a multifunctional machine. Maybe rather than limiting the amount of time spent 'on the computer', you can limit the amount of time a kid spends on electronic entertainment (which could be computer or TV) and chatting with friends (on the phone or online), without cutting their access to things they need for school or things that encourage their creativity (even if those things involve the computer).

And honestly, leaving your kid alone on the computer is about as smart as leaving your kid alone at the park. If your kid has street smarts, maybe it's safe. If you don't teach them that stuff, they'll get lured into all kinds of trouble. Common sense is not instinctive. (I can see that there are kids and teens reading this as well -- don't scoff and say 'I know how to take care of myself', because that never helped anyone in the real world or online. Be skeptical and think critically instead of believing what you want to believe.)
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from the view of a 14 year old kid (not like the kid before me)
by matizzy October 12, 2007 3:23 PM PDT
I am a 14 year old kid and i spend a lot of time on the computer, but i dont think it affected me. if anyone lives in brooklyn/manhatten/queens then you might know the school Stuyveseant. thats the school i go to (rated number 1 public school in Newyork, you can only get in by test taking). the only reason kids spend time on the computer is to talk to friends or entertain themselves after a hard day's work. there was a new "hot button" this year about computer adiction, THATS A MYTH. come on people there is no such thing, we kids are not addicted, just bored and computer kill the boredom, and thats all it does, kills boredom.
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It depends what they do
by Connor565 October 12, 2007 8:30 PM PDT
Unless the kid is spending every second he has on a computer, it really depends on what they do while they're on a computer, not how long they're on. If pretty much all they do is play games, than that is wasting there time when they could be doing more productive stuff. I'm on computers a lot, but playing games is not the top of the list on what I do on it. Times change, and more and more things rely on computers, but just sitting around playing games or doing other pointless things on a computer is a lot different than keeping in touch with people and getting work done, although they can both be done on computers.
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There is a reason why children spend so much time online
by Leria October 12, 2007 10:19 PM PDT
It is because their offline lives are so blase and boring, that the things that they play online are more exciting than real life.

It's time to realize that the main reason that people becoming 'internet addicts' is because they have nothing in their lives that is important and that they can do because things have gotten so expensive today.

I can't go swimming at my local swim center during the summer because it costs nearly 2,000 dollars just for the summer! It costs 4,000 for the whole year, which includes a pass to a indoor swim center near where I live.

Parents, start making your children's lives more fun and they will stop being online so much. Take them out to skate rinks. Take them ice skating. Take them bowling. Sign them up for a sport! Just get them something to do BESIDES sit in front of the computer that is fun and they will SWARM to it like a bee heading towards a swimming pool full of honey!
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www.secondlife.com is becoming this
by play7 October 12, 2007 11:49 PM PDT
Those that know and LAUGH LAUGH LAUGH love will tell you. Philip linden and friends over at Linden Lab is now tell everyone including learning experts. That second Life platform is a great way to teach kids a second languge. Well thats if you want to learn to swear in German, French, Japanese, Spanish, Korean. That is why second life right now has so many over 60% of the total population that are under 18 years playing the game.
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I blame bebo+myspace
by Zzzyax October 13, 2007 12:52 PM PDT
All the social sites such as bebo and myspace are to blame for this.

Also to blame for children being sexually abused over the web.
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ok dude chill
by matizzy October 13, 2007 9:02 PM PDT
ok maybe he did misspell a lot of words, but he had a point, even though the way he wrote didnt really back it up
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i think that it is stupid
by 09jhill123 October 14, 2007 9:02 AM PDT
I think it is stupid to run all of those tests there is nothing wrong with it you learn stuff on the computer to thats why scientists don't no **** and they think that it can be cured with meds.
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Why target the kids?
by bigforrap October 15, 2007 4:02 AM PDT
I know that they (to an extent) misuse the internet... and forget life in its reality. Its true that socialising has become digital and so has homework, gaming and pretty much everything else... even your old family pictures.

Have you ever been in a situation where something new, or which even remotely eased your life was available? as an adult... would you try and get it? Now think like a kid. Its human nature to want the easy things in life... to not have to work for it.

If a kid had these options:

walk 3 miles to a friends house to discuss something random.

discuss it over the phone (therefore spend money)

use an IM, which while not 'free', is a lot cheaper.


>> Id say the kid would pick the phone... but if he/she was money concious the IM would be the best choice.


HAVE YOU NEVER SPENT A LONG TIME TALKING ON THE PHONE? At least when you were a kid? Well... technology has evolved. The computer is the new phone.

The world is 'small' now. I myself go to a school 45 km away from home. Most my friends live the same distance away. How am i supposed to communicate with them?


As for not playing outside... I suggest you blame yourselves. Who came up with the Nintendo Wii and the PS2 Eye-Toy? Little kids?

Even health concious people like me are drawn to excercising with consoles such as that. Nothing can compare to the real thing... but if youve never experienced the real thing (like most these kids)... you will of course be drawn to the easier solution. Who wouldnt?

If this is really to be stopped i suggest you limit developement of these softwares, games and technologies to adults only. NO EXCEPTIONS. because if ONE kid has it... all will want it.


PS: Again... from a 'retarded' 14 year old. sorry i didnt tell you up there, but i figured you wouldnt read this unless i did.

Im going outside to play basketball now. Real life is better than the computer... but the computer is still enjoyable. Who doesnt like an escape form reality?

PSS: There are a lot af adults who are addicted to games as well. I suggest CNet writes a story about them fast...
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