February 16, 2007 7:51 AM PST

Week in review: See Vista in your future?

Although the consumer version of Vista saw tepid sales during its first week on store shelves, the new Microsoft operating system did seem to help PC sales.

Sales of boxed copies of Windows Vista at retail stores significantly trailed those of Windows XP in each product's first week on shelves. Market research data showed that the number of copies of Vista purchased was nearly 59 percent lower than the number for its predecessor. Revenue was also down, but less dramatically, with the dollar value of first-week Vista sales off 32 percent from that seen with XP.

Although boxed-copy sales were weaker, PC sales during the launch week were up 67 percent over computer sales in the same week a year earlier.

An overwhelming majority of readers on CNET News.com's TalkBack forum seemed dubious about the value of the upgrade.

"I think people were just stocking up on a stable system before Microsoft pulls it from the market," one reader wrote. "That also includes people buying new computers with Vista but actually (wanting) to use them."

Sales may be hurt further by an IT professional who claims to have discovered a way of upgrading to a full version of Vista from scratch, while paying only the cost of an upgrade for an earlier version of Windows.

As part of the Vista launch, Microsoft is offering Windows users a range of upgrades, allowing them to move to one of six versions of Vista without paying the full cost. These upgrades are supposed to work only on a PC that contains an existing copy of Windows. The key to the IT professional's method is that the upgrade package contains a complete version of Vista, which the package can be encouraged to install on a machine without checking for an existing authorized copy of Windows.

Times are tough for Vista in the virtual world as well. Although Microsoft recently threw a splashy launch party for Windows Vista in Second Life, those running the operating system may have had trouble enjoying the festivities.

According to a recent post on Second Life's official blog, some people running Vista can't reliably connect to the virtual world, where millions of people hang out as avatars or as 3D versions of themselves. Second Life engineers are working to hammer out the technical problems. Ensuring that Vista users can access Second Life could prove important to Linden Lab, which makes money selling virtual clothing, real estate and other goods.

Indeed, not everyone even in the tech industry is in a hurry to upgrade to the new operating system. John Thompson, CEO of security company Symantec, went so far as to warn against viewing Windows Vista as a solution to security woes. In an interview with CNET News.com, Thompson said he has not updated to Vista and doesn't see a need to do so.

People still need the efficacy that comes with the products that Symantec and others in the security industry build, and so computer users should not confuse the marketing rhetoric with what Vista is, Thompson said. "It's a hopefully much better product than XP or any of its predecessors, but it's not a security solution."

In a wide-ranging interview, Thompson highlighted what he and his company see as the shortcomings of Microsoft's new offering, and he also discussed some of the challenges the security company faces from competition and product development.

The wireless frontier
The 3GSM World Congress, one of the world's largest trade shows for mobile services and devices, showcased the cutting edge of the wireless industry for three days this week in Barcelona, Spain.

In a bold move to accelerate the adoption of location services for mobile devices, the world's two largest handset makers, Nokia and Motorola, each introduced their own navigation services, a move that could pit them against mobile operators.

In addition to adding new hardware products that will be able to receive signals from satellites to fix a subscriber's exact location, the companies have also introduced their own navigation services, which they plan to sell directly to consumers.

While the business models on these services vary slightly, it's clear that these companies are no longer content to wait for mobile operators to begin offering their own location services.

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Vista? No, thanks.
I will wait for Leopard. I am getting along well with XP Pro and Tiger
now. No room for Vista anyway.
Posted by benjiernmd (123 comments )
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Leopard? No, never.
So you will wait for an OS where you can't run 50+% of software available and 75+% of games avilable. Yeah, I guess it must be very intuitive to have to reboot the computer every time you want to run specific software. We Windows/Vista users are used to run everything on the same OS with no need for reboots, maybe one day in the future that comes to the Mac world too, but not soon it seems.
Posted by Fil0403 (1303 comments )
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Vista Schmista
Sick to death tired of having to buy new Microsoft licenses every 3 years. When you factor in the antivirus and basic MS Office costs, the per seat cost is well over $100/seat/year.

I am disgusted with Microsoft. Sold my stock.

Have converted my home machines to OPENSUSE and love it. By the way, it's FREE. The Openoffice Suite is not as slick as MS Office, but for the price difference, I can live with it. There's more than enough in the OPENSUSE package for me to surf, chat, work my POD, create music and video, and for the kids to crank out their homework. And did I mention...it's FREE?

Looking to convert my business to Linux in the near term. Tired of getting raked over the coals by Microsoft. Have invested well over $10,000 for their OS's over the years, have exactly ZERO to show for it.

It's over baby, Vista can bite me.
Posted by wjcunning (11 comments )
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Not sure what the problem is
Nobody is forcing you to upgrade. You don't have to have the latest/greatest to be able to function. You need to ask yourself - does the latest version offer me anything of benefit for the money that my current version doesn't? If not, then don't spend the money on the upgrade. Most of our work PCs are still running 2000 which is still stable and fast and gets the job done wihtout having to spend 1000's of dollars to upgrade to XP or now Vista. I know lots of people who still use Office 97 because that's all they need. There's no point upgrading if the value proposition isn't there.
Posted by Charleston Charge (362 comments )
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Who or
what made you upgrade all of that every 3 years?

All of this crap was said when XP came out...how it was not much better than 2000.....yet now XP is perfect you need nothing else.

Vista is a solid upgrade with lots to offer, especially a corporation.
Posted by Lindy01 (443 comments )
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Re: Vista....
I have to agree. I just downloaded OpenSuse to install on three boxes to replace XP. I will keep one machine for now. I have already converted my laptop over as well. Not to mention, Open Office document travel well between MS Office. I use it at home and MS at work, not a problem.
Posted by amingus (2 comments )
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What's the fuss?
I got Vista on my new laptop...It was worth the wait...It's a real upgrade over XP...XP was great for it's time...But visually Vista makes XP look like it was created in the stone age...I've had no trouble with Vista...and I seriously wonder about the motivations of those who are relentlessly putting it down...Sorry...all this static and noise is not going to convince me to switch to Mac...
Posted by dburr13 (117 comments )
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And there lies the problem
Vista is style over substance and considering how long it took to develop, and all the takeaways that happened in that time (ie new file system) not to mention the price and the confusing number of marketing lines (basic, home premium, business and ultimate) Microsoft really blew this one.
Posted by wraith2017 (4 comments )
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And there lies the problem
Vista is style over substance and considering how long it took to develop, and all the takeaways that happened in that time (ie new file system) not to mention the price and the confusing number of marketing lines (basic, home premium, business and ultimate) Microsoft really blew this one.
Posted by wraith2017 (4 comments )
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Another lemming is born
Hey mr., "What's the fuss" you just signed away a whole lot of rights you used to have in XP. You should have done some research about what you agreed to when you registered the product. Particularly as to Microsoft content rights.
Posted by ajv2003 (6 comments )
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Apple Needs Truth in Advertising
What percent of posts on CNET are actually from people employed by Apple to do so? From the looks of things, it's quite high. Don't believe me? Take a look, & decide for yourself. It's a smart idea, but not the most ethical. I'm not saying all Mac-favorable posts are from Apple, but it looks like a lot are.
Seriously, if Windows were as bad as it it's made out, why would the overwhelming majority still use it?

I think both Macs & PCs are good- for what I do, Windows works better (database & number crunching), & I told my sister to get a Mac, because it fit her for what she likes to do.

But really, there's more to life than promoting an operating system.
Posted by Bevo4138 (20 comments )
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Wow, that is completely relevant. NOT!
How about a lot of people are just a little sensitive to the obvious
bias of CNet agianst the Mac Platform. We happen to also be a
little sensitive to people that swear Windows is better but have
never spent more then a couple hours using a Mac.
Posted by Zatoichis Sword (29 comments )
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Are you for REAL
Apple do not need employes to respond to junk remarks.
Are you employed by M$
Posted by Sniche (108 comments )
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There is NO substitude for ignorance!
You said, "seriously, if Windows were as bad as it it's made out, why would the overwhelming majority still use it?" Because, the overwhelming users are not very sophisticated and their demand on the operating system is minimal. It's only us smart once that can see the major difference between XP and Vista is Microsoft extensions in the use of DRM.
Posted by ajv2003 (6 comments )
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* I do not work for Apple - I do own and use a PowerMac.

* I have a growing career based in all OSes, and work with a
huge percentage of them, including Windows, Linux, FreeBSD,
and Solaris. From that experience, I know which ones work
best... Windows' one and only advantage happens to be in the
availability of certain given apps. Otherwise it has naught but

* There is also the fact that the vast, vast majority (statistically
as close to 99% as one can get) of OS-based problems/crashes/
viruses/etc for users at home happen to involve Windows. Kinda
sad, isn't it?

* Nearly every virus and worm works on... Windows.

Given all of that, I'm merely here as a public service.
Posted by Penguinisto (5042 comments )
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Wrong?Macs Excellent for Database
Sorry, but to suggest that Mac OS X is not on par with accessing
and managing data from a Database is just plain uninformed and
Posted by dansterpower (2511 comments )
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Vista sucks
This is the worst product that Microsoft has ever foisted on the unsuspecting public. They should be arrested for impersonating a software company.
Posted by Tech38 (8 comments )
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Are you kidding?
You obviously don't remember "BOB".

Or you're just another MS hatchet man.
Posted by Vince66 (27 comments )
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Baller Admits: It's a Vistapocalypse
Microsoft Slips After CEO Talks Down Some Vista Estimates

CEO Steve Ballmer tells analysts that some forecasts for Vista sales are too aggressive, prompting investors to boot out of the shares

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/feb2007/pi20070216_409268.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_investing" target="_newWindow">http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/feb2007/pi20070216_409268.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_investing</a>
Posted by Sumatra-Bosch (526 comments )
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Microsoft morphed with a Sales agency years ago.
Posted by ajv2003 (6 comments )
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Apple Advertising (arrogance, ipod, Vista Upgrades, ...)
Apple advertising might be considered entertaining, though there's a denigrating view to Microsoft. It's condescending, which is too bad. Similar attitude w/i-phone treatment of the trademark w/cisco, user interface (oh, only apple has a superior interface, uh-huh, xx functions in limited space).

Vista - reality check, only x % of the installed base will upgrade.

My father-in-law, Emachine Celeron-XP, 1 yr old sys, will not upgrade.
My 13-year old son E-machine AMD 3200-XP, 2 yr old sys, probable upgrade.
My wife, Sony laptop 2+ yr old-XP, probably no.
My system, Gateway AMD 3700, 1 yr old sys, XP-&gt;Vista planned.
Posted by emancipated (13 comments )
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At least it's the truth
You can lead people to water but are they willing to drink it !
Posted by Sniche (108 comments )
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Not really condescending.
I don't think condescending is the right word to describe their
commercials. That word usually has a negative hurtful context
and applies to feelings of superiority between people.

Apple is not saying that Mac users are superior people. Nor are
they Apple is a superior company. They are simply pointing out
that they think they have a superior (for many people) PC
product. And they're conveying that in a light humorous way
that non-geeks can relate to..

I would say Apple's commercials are intended to be direct and
provocative, but not condescending.
Posted by open-mind (1027 comments )
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About treatment of Cisco...
I think there's a lot of politics behind the Cisco deal that most
poeple don't know about.

Cisco acquired the iPhone trademark as a fluke, and it's clear
they've never really had any intention of using it. Instead they've
justing been sitting on it ... over five years now and counting.
Cisco's so-called "iPhone" product was nothing more than some
iPhone stickers on the shrink wrap of a box containing a
completely non-iPhone product.

Cisco knows that Apple is very interested in that trademark (and
I'm sure Apple has offered to buy it), but instead Cisco is trying
to use it as leverage to manipulate Apple.

That's not what Trademark law was intended for, and I think
Apple is sick of begin jerked around by Cisco. So they
deliberately stepped on the iPhone trademark as a way to call
Cisco's bluff. It's time for Cisco to put up or shut up. That is,
either make a real iPhone or give up the trademark.
Posted by open-mind (1027 comments )
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Not buddies no
Vista is more complex of what we thought, it was
building to fail a bit (thus us HAVE to go to MS to "update") It was built to take over the home, media wise; for that it bows to the media-dealing-companies' policies, without caring much for the consumers' rights. That's why it costs so much, etc. but MS forgot the basic; US ,and they will pay for it.
Posted by m7sang7 (8 comments )
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Major Vista OEM bug - unable to create folders on shares
Vista OEM installations are unable to create folders or files in network shares. There is no fix other than installing the retail version of Vista!

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=522208&#38;SiteID=17&#38;PageID=1" target="_newWindow">http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=522208&#38;SiteID=17&#38;PageID=1</a>
Posted by ozgrep (1 comment )
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No to Vista.
I will stay with my XP Pro. I am also building another Linux box.
Posted by amingus (2 comments )
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Can you spell DRM?
I weening myself of XP to a Linux distro. So good bye Microsoft and their DRM phobias.
Posted by ajv2003 (6 comments )
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Just Say "No!" to Vista
Vista is a downgrade - not an upgrade - from XP SP2 in terms of degraded functionality and security, as well as issues you're guaranteed to have when trying to play legitimate DVD's because of Vista's over-zealous DRM technology. In the space of two weeks, we've seen major articles published in the likes of Forbes Magazine by security and networking professionals of the stature of Bruce Schneier and Joanna Rutkowska slamming Vista for the above-referred reasons and insisting that we users "just say no to Vista."

I'll stick with XP Professional SP2 and Ubuntu on my system for now.

To answer this article's title question, no I don't see Vista in my future. I'll stick with XP + Ubuntu til (1) Microsoft issues XP SP3; (2) Google releases its Linux-based OS.
Posted by i_made_this (302 comments )
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Another dreamer
Yeah, and in five years all computers will run Linux and Apple will define the industry standards.

Don't think so. Hasn't happened yet and won't happen any time soon.

Seriously, you Apple and Linux fans need to get your heads out of your ***** and realize that everyone who wanted to get Linux or Mac OS already did. Microsoft's 95% market share won't change anytime soon.

Everybody who's bashing Vista's bad sales obviously hasn't read the many articles that say that new computer sales increased by like two thirds (67%) on the week of Vista's release. Check this out:
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.techspot.com/news/24308-pc-sales-increase-on-week-of-vista-release.html" target="_newWindow">http://www.techspot.com/news/24308-pc-sales-increase-on-week-of-vista-release.html</a>

Vista clearly plans to stay, and stay very comfortably on the couch with it's legs propped up. After all, MS did put like 6 years of development time into this project!
Posted by godam_registration (113 comments )
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I thought I would be using Vista now but------
I purchased a new laptop on November 5 with the promise that the purchase included the Vista operating system that would be mailed to me as soon as it was available. I was to go to www.HP.com/go/windowsvistaupdate to register and then send a proof of purchase and check for $9.95 to Vista Upgrade Program in UT. I tried several times to register but the links were not available on the website so I mailed my check and proof a purchase. Now the links are available but I cannot complete the process without entering a credit card number for whatever amount they decide to charge me. I called Moduslink at the number provided and was on hold over an hour. I was told someone would get back to me within 24 hours by phone or email. This did not happen so I called again and was on hold for another full hour. This time I was told I should check with my bank to see if the check was cashed because they had been told not to cash checks and I should just go ahead and give my credit card number. I asked to speak to a supervisor and was denied. I asked for another number so I could reach someone without waiting on hold and was told that wasn't possible. I was told that a supervisor would be asked to call me. I gave them the times I could be reached. I was very specific about the times I could be reached. I then called microsoft where it was suggested I call HP. I did manage to get a phone number to the corporate office of Moduslink but they were closed. I called HP where the representative took my information and had someone contact me the next day. I was emailed and called (at the appropriate time) by Maggie at HP but she was unable to help because she said Moduslink is under Microsoft instead of HP. I did have a message on my machine to call Frank at the same number where I spent two hours on hold. Frank had left me a 6 digit extension number but there was no way to enter that number. My only choices were 1 though 7 and none of these led to a live person.
I finally got through to Moduslink corporate office where I was put through to a voice mail. I left a message, hung up and called the corporte office again. I asked to speak to someone else and was told that was not possible. I asked for the name of the person I was talking to and her supervisor and mentioned that I might write about this situation. Suddenly she managed to get ahold of a real life person. Michael Powderly took my information but said it would take 4 to 8 weeks to send Vista. I told him that was not good enough because I made this purchase in November and should not haave to wait while others go into the store and purchase the system off the shelf. He said he would get back to me by Tuesday morning. It is now Saturday February 17. I have had one email telling me to send in a confirmation page from the website and proof a purchase. I never got far enough to get a confirmation number.

VISTA may be great product but the totally inept way the sales are being handled makes me wonder if I ever want to risk it on my laptop.
Is this runaround a result of poor planning or is it total disinterest in the consumer once they have their money? Either way it makes me wish I had switched to the IMAC. Right now I feel discounted and have lost all confidence in Microsoft products.
Posted by snowwatcher (1 comment )
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what the heck
what the heck...buy a Mac instead and run vista on it!
Posted by anton.vanwamelen (20 comments )
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Windows Vista
Likewise! Just when you thought that all the software/driver issue was being resolved. Now it's back to square one with all the headaches.
Posted by DellCentrino (2 comments )
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Windows Vista
Likewise! Just when you thought that all the software/driver issue was being resolved. Now it's back to square one with all the headaches.
Posted by DellCentrino (2 comments )
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Typical! I am running Microsoft Windows Vista Business in my 2004 Toshiba Satellite A60-122 laptop for more than 1 month now and the only "issues" I've had is ZoneAlarm not working in Vista and my Western Digital MyBook Essential 250 GB external hard drive running slower than in XP. Now we're back to all the ignorance and stupid comments regarding a new Windows release.
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