May 12, 2006 3:07 PM PDT

Vista search seems fair, regulators say

The U.S. government has given its thumbs-up to Microsoft's search box plans for Vista, shrugging off concerns raised recently by Google.

While criticizing Microsoft for its implementation of its existing antitrust accord, regulators appear satisfied with the software maker's plans for Windows Vista, including a new search box that is part of Internet Explorer 7.

As part of its status report on Microsoft's antitrust compliance, the Justice Department said that it had reviewed the search box and concluded that Microsoft's implementation "respects users' and (computer makers') default choices and is easily changed."

Google had recently cried foul over the box, which is set to conduct Web searches from a specified engine, while Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer this week defended Microsoft's approach.

How users gets their browser--whether on a new PC, as part of a Windows upgrade or downloaded from the Internet--helps determine which search engine is used in that program. The box also leaves unchanged any default search engine already chosen by the user and can be changed by the user. If no default has been set, Microsoft does slot in its own MSN Search.

Internet Explorer 7 will be bundled into Vista and also offered as a download for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 users. A public test version of the browser is already available from Microsoft's Web site.

In the same report, filed on Friday, the Justice Department said it is seeking to extend by two years the part of the accord that requires Microsoft to license Windows communications protocols to rivals.

The Justice Department had said it received a separate complaint over Vista, related to the ability of computer makers to customize the "first boot" experience within Vista, but said that it has closed its investigation into that issue.

"While plaintiffs were still investigating the matter, Microsoft reached an accommodation that gives all (computer makers) additional flexibility to customize the first-boot experience and to promote non-Microsoft middleware.

The government said this "addressed the complainant's concerns and resolved any issue" under Microsoft's antitrust settlement.

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Wow!
The government gets something right for a change...
Posted by Betty Roper (121 comments )
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Wow!
The government gets something right for a change...
Posted by Betty Roper (121 comments )
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Wonder if Future Guy and Mortis9...
I wonder if those two Einsteins read this article? Clueless wonders.
Posted by anarchyreigns (299 comments )
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Wonder if Future Guy and Mortis9...
I wonder if those two Einsteins read this article? Clueless wonders.
Posted by anarchyreigns (299 comments )
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FIREFOX DEFAULTS TO GOOGLE (CAN'T CHANGE) SAFARI DEFAULTS TO GOOGLE AS WELL
IE7 FULLY CUSTOMIZABLE SEARCH?

So yes google is being whiney and unfair on this issue
Posted by mcepat (118 comments )
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SILLY STATEMENT
firefox can't change the default ?

try it, click on any of the search engines, the one you choose is your default the next time ! now wasn't that easy to change ? ?

the last item on the list is ADD ENGINES, there you can choose from 20 engines including MSN and Yahoo

plus, a link to add even more

what could be easier.

that being said, I do agree it is only reasonable that Microsoft use their own engine PROVIDED they respect a users default engine.

I also can see Google's problem, when the 80% that use IE6 upgrade, they don't have a default search and will be given MSN....

but, considering the results of a search via Google versus the results on MSN, the spike in users surely will drop
Posted by dillergaff (8 comments )
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And you're being clueless on the issue...
Number one, Google doesn't control Firefox, the Mozilla foundation does. Google's "position" in Firefox is due to the fact that they PAID to be there...something any other company, including Microsoft is free to do.

Please learn the difference between a company attempting to leverage its monopoly status to gain an unfair advantage in another market and a company that paid another company for its "position" on a third party browser...something which any company is free to do.
Posted by anarchyreigns (299 comments )
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They are not a Monopoly! Get it??
Get a clue.
Posted by technewsjunkie (1265 comments )
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over it google, your argument is lame.
i'm on a mac and i can't choose my search provider on safari! there
is no option versus IE7. i have to use google whether i want to or
not. so get over it google, your argument is lame.
Posted by teeger (12 comments )
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get over it google, your argument is lame.
i'm on a mac and i can't choose my search provider on safari! there
is no option versus IE7. i have to use google whether i want to or
not. so get over it google, your argument is lame.
Posted by teeger (12 comments )
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RE
MSN Search is first going to have to pass Yahoo Search then Google will start to feel the utter pain of Microsoft using their power. google got scared when Microsoft said they are going to spend extra $2 billion (On search only if I am right). Finaly Microsoft is sort of using the cash hoard.

P.S. google is going down.
Posted by Intelrules (32 comments )
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BUT GOOGLE PA YS MOZILLA FOR THIS RIGHT
MS DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY ANYONE, IN FACT THIS IS A ISSUE BECAUSE MS HAS THE BROWSER THAT COMES DEFAULT WITH THE OS, THEREFORE THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE UNFAIR ADVANTAGE WHICH THIS CLEARLY IS, IF PEOPLE WANT TO USE LIVE SEARCH THEN FINE, BUT IF THEY DON'T WHY SHOULD MS SHOVE IT DOWN THEIR THROAT.
Posted by cranbers (12 comments )
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FIREFOX DEFAULTS TO GOOGLE (CAN'T CHANGE) SAFARI DEFAULTS TO GOOGLE AS WELL
IE7 FULLY CUSTOMIZABLE SEARCH?

So yes google is being whiney and unfair on this issue
Posted by mcepat (118 comments )
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SILLY STATEMENT
firefox can't change the default ?

try it, click on any of the search engines, the one you choose is your default the next time ! now wasn't that easy to change ? ?

the last item on the list is ADD ENGINES, there you can choose from 20 engines including MSN and Yahoo

plus, a link to add even more

what could be easier.

that being said, I do agree it is only reasonable that Microsoft use their own engine PROVIDED they respect a users default engine.

I also can see Google's problem, when the 80% that use IE6 upgrade, they don't have a default search and will be given MSN....

but, considering the results of a search via Google versus the results on MSN, the spike in users surely will drop
Posted by dillergaff (8 comments )
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And you're being clueless on the issue...
Number one, Google doesn't control Firefox, the Mozilla foundation does. Google's "position" in Firefox is due to the fact that they PAID to be there...something any other company, including Microsoft is free to do.

Please learn the difference between a company attempting to leverage its monopoly status to gain an unfair advantage in another market and a company that paid another company for its "position" on a third party browser...something which any company is free to do.
Posted by anarchyreigns (299 comments )
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They are not a Monopoly! Get it??
Get a clue.
Posted by technewsjunkie (1265 comments )
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over it google, your argument is lame.
i'm on a mac and i can't choose my search provider on safari! there
is no option versus IE7. i have to use google whether i want to or
not. so get over it google, your argument is lame.
Posted by teeger (12 comments )
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get over it google, your argument is lame.
i'm on a mac and i can't choose my search provider on safari! there
is no option versus IE7. i have to use google whether i want to or
not. so get over it google, your argument is lame.
Posted by teeger (12 comments )
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RE
MSN Search is first going to have to pass Yahoo Search then Google will start to feel the utter pain of Microsoft using their power. google got scared when Microsoft said they are going to spend extra $2 billion (On search only if I am right). Finaly Microsoft is sort of using the cash hoard.

P.S. google is going down.
Posted by Intelrules (32 comments )
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BUT GOOGLE PA YS MOZILLA FOR THIS RIGHT
MS DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY ANYONE, IN FACT THIS IS A ISSUE BECAUSE MS HAS THE BROWSER THAT COMES DEFAULT WITH THE OS, THEREFORE THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE UNFAIR ADVANTAGE WHICH THIS CLEARLY IS, IF PEOPLE WANT TO USE LIVE SEARCH THEN FINE, BUT IF THEY DON'T WHY SHOULD MS SHOVE IT DOWN THEIR THROAT.
Posted by cranbers (12 comments )
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Competitors should saturate advertise Default change
The "problem" as I see it is that the _average_ user (not geeks)
are clueless about most computer settings.

With this news, as a competitor with deep pockets like Google, I
would start an ad campaign similar to "Intel Inside" that would
draw attention to this "feature" of changing defaults.

Slowly, as more people use PCs in their daily lives, they become
more aware of (and unafraid of arcane DOS command era
approach to UI) the settings they can change, and may attempt
to make the default settings changes themselves.

In fact why doesn't Google make a "Widget" that changes
Windows defaults?! There you go Google;-)
Posted by technewsjunkie (1265 comments )
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Already Done
<<In fact why doesn't Google make a "Widget" that changes
Windows defaults?! There you go Google;-)>>


They already do. It's called Google Desktop.
Posted by BlinkMM182 (63 comments )
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Competitors should saturate advertise Default change
The "problem" as I see it is that the _average_ user (not geeks)
are clueless about most computer settings.

With this news, as a competitor with deep pockets like Google, I
would start an ad campaign similar to "Intel Inside" that would
draw attention to this "feature" of changing defaults.

Slowly, as more people use PCs in their daily lives, they become
more aware of (and unafraid of arcane DOS command era
approach to UI) the settings they can change, and may attempt
to make the default settings changes themselves.

In fact why doesn't Google make a "Widget" that changes
Windows defaults?! There you go Google;-)
Posted by technewsjunkie (1265 comments )
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Already Done
<<In fact why doesn't Google make a "Widget" that changes
Windows defaults?! There you go Google;-)>>


They already do. It's called Google Desktop.
Posted by BlinkMM182 (63 comments )
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Microsoft is right, Google was wrong
It was pretty clear to most observers that Google's claims about IE7 default settings were baseless, and turned out to be a publicity stunt that backfired. On my blog post last week "Google supports choice...except of Firefox and Opera" it was pointed out that IE7 honors the users existing choices for search services, and makes it easy to change their choice if desired. The Justice Department agreed.

In a separate story Microsoft voluntarily agreed to a 2 year extension of certain parts of the Consent Decree. As part of the consent decree the Justice Department has a team of people that continuously review Microsoft's actions, and they issue a progress report on a regular basis. Given this constant review it is highly unlikely that any new products would be released with any potential legal issues outstanding.

More details and commentary on my blog. <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2006/05/ie7_defaults_ok.html" target="_newWindow">http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2006/05/ie7_defaults_ok.html</a>
Posted by Don_Dodge (64 comments )
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Microsoft is right, Google was wrong
It was pretty clear to most observers that Google's claims about IE7 default settings were baseless, and turned out to be a publicity stunt that backfired. On my blog post last week "Google supports choice...except of Firefox and Opera" it was pointed out that IE7 honors the users existing choices for search services, and makes it easy to change their choice if desired. The Justice Department agreed.

In a separate story Microsoft voluntarily agreed to a 2 year extension of certain parts of the Consent Decree. As part of the consent decree the Justice Department has a team of people that continuously review Microsoft's actions, and they issue a progress report on a regular basis. Given this constant review it is highly unlikely that any new products would be released with any potential legal issues outstanding.

More details and commentary on my blog. <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2006/05/ie7_defaults_ok.html" target="_newWindow">http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2006/05/ie7_defaults_ok.html</a>
Posted by Don_Dodge (64 comments )
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Google shutup
Google need to shut there trap....They are the microsoft of search....I id not hear microsoft cryinmg that Google is the default in firefox..
Posted by yardman (16 comments )
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Well yes, but...
I think the issue here is that microsoft is using their dominance in one market to nudge users in the directon of using another one of their products in an unrelated market. Google didn't make Firefox, the good folks at the Mozilla Proj. did. Personally I don't think it's that big of a deal myself; I hardly ever use the search bar in Firefox. I just set my homepage to Google.
Posted by vitM (4 comments )
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Google shutup
Google need to shut there trap....They are the microsoft of search....I id not hear microsoft cryinmg that Google is the default in firefox..
Posted by yardman (16 comments )
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Well yes, but...
I think the issue here is that microsoft is using their dominance in one market to nudge users in the directon of using another one of their products in an unrelated market. Google didn't make Firefox, the good folks at the Mozilla Proj. did. Personally I don't think it's that big of a deal myself; I hardly ever use the search bar in Firefox. I just set my homepage to Google.
Posted by vitM (4 comments )
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I think I'm lost...
I thought this was C|net, but everybody seems to be applauding MS and bashing Google :\

I drove through Celebration, FL last week &lt;Shudder&gt; and I think I must not have made it out of the twilight zone yet.
Posted by jwarren.carroll (84 comments )
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Don't worry...
...you're not lost. Just wait for the next Apple vs. Microsoft article and everything will be back to normal. :)
Posted by J_Satch (571 comments )
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I think I'm lost...
I thought this was C|net, but everybody seems to be applauding MS and bashing Google :\

I drove through Celebration, FL last week &lt;Shudder&gt; and I think I must not have made it out of the twilight zone yet.
Posted by jwarren.carroll (84 comments )
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Don't worry...
...you're not lost. Just wait for the next Apple vs. Microsoft article and everything will be back to normal. :)
Posted by J_Satch (571 comments )
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