With an eye to quelling piracy, Microsoft is making changes to its licensing terms in Windows Vista.
Under the changes, buyers of retail copies of Vista will be able to transfer their software to a new machine only once. If they want to move their software a second time, they will have to buy a new copy of the operating system.
The license changes also apply to virtualization: Customers can only transfer the copy of Windows once, including a transfer from one physical machine to a virtual machine, or from a virtual machine on one PC to a virtual machine on another PC.
To find out what people on the street make of it, we asked our Vista Views panel, made up of ordinary readers, this question: The move is designed to help Microsoft battle piracy. But is it too stringent?
If they proceed with this licensing, I would expect it to backfire and result in more piracy, not less, as enthusiasts seek ways to circumvent it with hacked copies. Nobody pirates a legitimate copy of Windows anyway, so why punish the people who are actually paying for it? This would certainly put a damper on any enthusiasm I have for Vista. I'm willing to pay for it, but I'm not willing to pay for it more than once.
Brian Scates is the president of Web hosting company Foing.com.
If someone buys a copy of Windows, they should be able to install it on any single machine at one time, an unlimited number of times--but how to do this in a way that would stymie piracy? Perhaps if they developed a mechanism which would allow a user to uninstall Vista, or deactivate it on one machine, that would generate a special reinstallation/activation key that would be used to install it on a different machine.
As for the virtual machine licenses, I don't think this will have too much of an impact on general consumers, as the majority of people who will be running virtual machines will either be using the Enterprise version of Windows Vista, or will be using a developer's version via MSDN.
Jeff Rosado is the owner of a computer consulting company providing tech support and training to businesses and individuals in Pensacola, Fla.
I'm really on the fence on this one. On one hand, I can see Microsoft's perspective that most people wouldn't run virtualization on Vista Home Basic anyways, so why worry about a license transfer there? And since XP didn't have the provision on transfers, it was abused profusely by piracy. From their perspective, they're just tightening the screws the same way they did for the security problems.
At the same time, there are a statistically significant number of people that will change motherboards often enough for this to be a serious issue to them. However small a percentage Microsoft thinks that will be, with the installed base they have, it's not an insignificant number of people. And the unfortunate thing for Microsoft is, those are the same people who tend to be influential, and those are the people that will scream the loudest.
Just remember, however, how forgiving Microsoft was over multiprocessor/multicore licensing. With 4, 6, 8-core chips on the horizon, they have made some good decisions, and credit should be given where it is due. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't hold their feet to the fire where appropriate.
So here's my counter-question: Should transfers be staggered by edition? Meaning that Home Basic would have one, Home Premium would have two, and Ultimate would have five? That would take into account the fact that most regular users won't swap out their motherboard regularly, but most enthusiasts will.
Robert McLaws is an IT consultant, community leader and Vista enthusiast. He has been running Vista enthusiast site Longhornblogs.com since 2002.
I do agree, however, that OEM licenses should be limited to the machine they come with. My reason for this is that the customer is actually paying a lot less than retail for this software.
With a purchase of full-price retail software (several hundred dollars)
the user should be allowed to transfer the software as they desire.
Joe Rud is a computer industry professional from from St. Louis Park, Minn.
Clearly, Microsoft has a right to ensure that people using its products have legally acquired the right to do so. But I believe their customers also have the right to reinstall a piece of software as many times as necessary and for as long as they choose to continue to use the product.
As long as they are installing on just one computer, why should it matter to Microsoft if they've had a hard drive failure, purchased a new computer, or just want to install from scratch to eliminate some operating system problems?
I have been beta testing Microsoft Vista for several months. I cannot play a normal DVD movie rented from Netflix on my computer because Microsoft says it can't verify the copyright protection of the (mainstream ATI) video driver. Again, Microsoft is erring on the side of copyright protection rather than the side of trusting its customers.
Microsoft demands that we pay and then pay again. Are we beginning to wonder who the pirates really are? A reasonable company might find a way to protect software licenses that does not interfere with legal fair use by those who have purchased a product. It seems clear that as Windows becomes more and more the standard, Microsoft does not find it necessary to be reasonable. Living under a despot never did feel good.
Gary Knigge is an IT support person at the University of Wisconsin-River Falls, specializing in Windows desktop support for faculty and staff.
As for hurting the sales figures, no chance--it's Microsoft, after all.
Stewart Retsis is a normal PC user who lives in Thurso, Scotland.
With this main part in mind, my likelihood of purchasing Vista has dramatically dropped. In fact, at this point, I'm considering instead of bothering going to Vista, to instead just switch to OSX and be done with it. Microsoft has released so many things in regards to Vista that changes how an average user can use Windows, that I'm starting to reconsider my platform in general and that maybe I have invested enough money into Microsoft.
Microsoft, please don't make this true, or this may be the straw that broke the camel's back for a lot of users.
Kevin Faaborg works in basic hardware and software guidance for a large financial corporation, but he has experience in more computer sales-based jobs.
As for the rest of the e-population that reads CNET.com: I'm willing to bet that this probably won't affect 95 percent of you. The other 5 percent are the ones that don't really respect the time and effort it takes to make an OS of this magnitude and feel that it's their right to be able to install it on as many machines as they would like. This is against the law not only for Microsoft's software but for any other pay software as well (unless otherwise noted in the EULA).
David Colon is a software developer in the QA department of a medium-sized government Web site application development company.
In that case, restricting Windows to a single transfer is definitely too stringent. Legitimate customers should be able to transfer their copy of Windows to as many machines as they want for their own use as they keep upgrading to newer and faster machines, but how can Microsoft verify this? They can't, which is why they're resorting to such draconian measures.
If you buy a retail copy of Windows Vista knowing this restriction
exists, then you can't complain. The answer is simple. Vote with your wallet
by either buying Vista anyway and getting stuck with this restriction, or
don't buy Vista and use Linux instead. All of Microsoft's antipiracy tactics have inconvenienced me long
enough. That's why I've dumped Windows and moved to Mac OS X. Whether it's a
"better" operating system is debatable, but it's just another alternative
for people who don't want to put up with Microsoft's nuisances any more.
Wallace Wang is a freelance computer journalist and author whose books include "Microsoft Office for Dummies" and "Steal This Computer Book."
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software will be hurt by the virtualization license restrictions.
Does Microsoft not want us to test software on Home editions?
While, yes this can be done on the business and Ultimate
versions, generally there's regression testing on all supported
OSes. Using virtual machines with their Undo disk capabilities is
perfect for this kind of testing. But Microsoft licensing says
Home editions must run on physical machines. This means
using PXE or physical provisioning. That's just too high a
burden for testers. The quality of software of Home edition will
suffer as a result.
software will be hurt by the virtualization license restrictions.
Does Microsoft not want us to test software on Home editions?
While, yes this can be done on the business and Ultimate
versions, generally there's regression testing on all supported
OSes. Using virtual machines with their Undo disk capabilities is
perfect for this kind of testing. But Microsoft licensing says
Home editions must run on physical machines. This means
using PXE or physical provisioning. That's just too high a
burden for testers. The quality of software on Home editions
will
suffer as a result.
I already use Linux most of the time anyway. In office about 75% of time, at home about 90% of time. (Special thanks go to VMware Player.)
In the end, I use Windows only to play games. Though now that were rare events, since I have bought Nintendo DS Lite ;)
I for one don't intend to follow.
I respect their need for control over piracy but do not respect their means of doing so.
I have been a die hard windows fan and administer thousands of windows systems including servers and directory services but the changes that are coming along with Vista are too much for me. Sure I'll support at work but I'll also start into Linux for my personal use and then start working it into the enterprise slowly.
Microsoft is just a bunch of programmers at heart and there is nothing they can do that others can't.
Sell USB or Parallel dongles to allow the software to work on a single machine. Other companies have been doing this for years to protect their software. Why not you?
I hope in the mean time MSFT comes to its senses and changes this limited installs.
MS is going to have to learn that people have real alternatives to Windows these days. The harder they try to hold on to their desktop monopoly the quicker they will lose it.
I will never be upgrading to Vista, but I am worried what will happen when they decide to drop support for XP.
I hope the MPAA does not follow this same asinine logic.
Under the ms thinking, you buy a DVD and the license says that you can only play it in one DVD player ever. You get to "transfer" it to another player only once so if you want to play it in your bedroom you can only watch it there thereafter.
That would be insane but that is the same logic that they are using.
If they are truly "innovators" as they claim to be surely they can come up with a better way to verify that it is installed on only one PC at a time.
What happens if your motherboard dies? What about your hard drive? How do they define the PC that it is installed in? the main board, processor, HD, the case?
The more I deal with MS the more I hate them.
New License doesn't restrict you from installing Vista on same machine N number of time. What it's restricting is - HOW MANY MACHINES YOU CAN INSTALL IT UPON.
Which is pretty okay to combat piracy.
If your machine crashes, it's fine to Re-install Vista.. as many times you want. All you got to do .. is re-register your OS at MS Website/ through Phone.
The process gonna validate.. if the "CPU ID and Serial # combination" exists in the Database. If yes, it's fine. If NOT... MS gonna allow you this only twice and it will lock you out after that or what they call it as "reduced access" mode.
So, please get your records straight.
c|net.. you guys MUST validate each posting. It's ironical to read half-baked information on a webite like c|net. Please mentain your repo guys.
Microsoft is a slave of capitalism.
The ultimate right and power belongs to consumers, who will cast their votes with their dollars. MICROSOFT AND ANY OTHER COMPANY MUST YIELD TO THE WANTS AND NEEDS OF THE CONSUMER OR THEY WILL SUFFER THE SAME FATE OF ALL OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES WHO DID NOT LEARN THIS LESSON.
By purchasing a product, you the consumer are casting a vote in support of the company and their business practices.
If you buy product x from an individual or company who treats you like crap, then you are saying with your dollars that it is acceptable for the individual or company to treat you in this manner.
When sales and profits decline, Microsoft will listen.
Bill Gates is rather obviously, a very smart man, he has seen the writing on the wall and has wisely stepped aside, he knows what is coming.
If this goes through, I am NOT BUYING Vista retail copy.
This is just to milk absolutely every last penny out of the Windows user community. Microsoft is afraid that if users buy a Mac to run Windows virtualized in the Mac OS, then eventually they'll realize how much better the Mac is and drop Windows for good. Likewise for Linux. Do yourself a favor and drop Windows now. Macs are what Windows aspires to be -- easy to use, elegant, and secure. Linux is good, too.
Push back against this insidious rights management now! Don't settle for software that puts their own interests far above their users' interests like Microsoft does. Use Macs or Linux instead.
Although I personally think Vista will eclipse Windows Millenium in terms of the greatest step backwards that's supposed to be an upgrade.... Most users who digest their own information and don't blindly accept all the slop that's force-fed them by the establishment will jump from the sinking ship that is Microsoft in favor of quality operating systems like Macs and Linux with this release even without such a horrible rights management anyway. This is sure to speed it up, though!
- Glad I kicked the (bad) Microsoft habit..!!
- by imacpwr October 18, 2006 9:55 AM PDT
- Is M$ out of thier head..?!?! I for one have updated to a newer
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Showing 1 of 3 pages (90 Comments)computer but retained the old OS. What about replacing the hard
drive..?? Where does M$ draw the line on the term "moving"..???
Well I know one thing for sure, Vista isn't going to be a headache
for me because I switched to a Mac already and I SURE AM GLAD I
DID NOW BEFORE I GOT STUCK WITH VISTA..!!!!