February 18, 2010 7:15 PM PST
Two Chinese schools said to be tied to online attacks
Experts in the United States connected the intrusions into Google and other corporations to computers at a top Chinese university and a school with ties to China's military.
(From The New York Times)
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So it concludes... or So it winds down...
And for that reason alone we know its nothing to do with the Chinese government or military or even a state sponsor because any hacker that has skill would not hack from a source like that.
However, a foreign entity who wants to cover their tracks and make an attack *look* as if its being carried out by the Chinese government, military or state sponsor would.
If the Chinese government and its sponsors are at good as hacking as we say they are then these attacks were definitely nothing to do with them.
It's more likely another entity who is wanting to make the attacks look Chinese is behind the attacks, for political gain against the Chinese government for whatever reason.
However, it must be noted that America and China have been in arguments over trade and arms sales for some time, and China has been making life hard for the United States to bring sanctions against Iran at the UN.
Who is China's main adversary at the moment America?
If I was an investigator for this i'd be pointing fingers at America.
And guess what if I was wanting to investigate this and I suspected America, you wouldn't use an AMERICAN spy agency to lead the investigation, are you insane?
You would have an independent body unbiased of any country to carry out the cyber investigation.
Of course, the results of the investigation are only ever going to go in favour of the United States and against China, because its an American spy agency leading the investigation.
The whole thing is biased and ridiculous, and is never going to be a fair, balanced or an independent investigation.
The investigation is not going to get to the truth, its only ever going to end with the United States blaming China.
What we need is an independent investigation, not one carried out by an American spy agency, who would be one of the main suspects for carrying out the attack if we were ever talking about the Chinese government being framed for hacking or sponsoring a hack.
Unless they KNEW we would figure that, and did it anyway knowing we wouldn't believe it! My god, it's so simple!
I'm calling for an independent investigation to get to the truth, not one that is relying on information from a spy agency who houses some of America's top hackers who's job it is to support US foreign policy and could be involved in the attack.
It's simple.
There is a chance NSA hacked Google China to set up the Chinese government, so the last person you ask for information regarding an attack is people from the NSA.
It's ridiculous to be completely frank that a criminal investigation involves China's number one cyber enemy, The NSA, to find out who really carried out the attack, when there is a possibility it was an NSA attack or NSA sponsored.
I'm not saying it is The NSA, but if I was looking at or compiling a list of suspects, The NSA would be one of the names on that list of suspects.
As usual n3td3v
comes around with his major bull. EVERYONE, HE IS CHINESE. He wants the US to suffer and will shamelessly sell gov't secrets to China because of his duty. Every Chinese is the same."
He is chinese and you are indian. Pot calling kettle black? You both steal jobs from us so I don't know if I like any of you.
I still find it hard to understand why you make excuses as the evidence mounts day after day. Personal and Professional logs are being archived daily to support the facts.
You can see for youself.
Setup a Honeypot and/ or check @
http://isc.sans.org/reports.html
John
Not hard for signals intelligence agencys to run continuous global operations from Chinese hosts filling up the private sector with China data.
So when the yearly reports come out, their adversaries are the top trending attacking country!
Good propaganda easily achieved to make sure your enemy country is the number one attacker in security vendor reports that come out and given to the media such as CNET.
It's not clear cut at all whats going on.
This is cyberwarfare, its not childs play straight forward.
comes around with his major bull. EVERYONE, HE IS CHINESE. He wants the US to suffer and will shamelessly sell gov't secrets to China because of his duty. Every Chinese is the same.
Though NYT goes out of its ways to establish a "tie" of the vocational school with Chinese military, but it seems that the "tie" is only limited to recruitment. This is quite like stating that if US military recruits at Stanford, then Stanford can be referred to as a school that "has ties with the US military" - whatever that means. (The military recruitment from a vocational school seems to make sense because the top students in top universities I think are less inclined to work in the military and prefer to work in the business environment to make more money or to further their studies overseas.)
This whole smear campaign mounted by Google (which is a major US corporation that has ties with the US intelligence community :) ) is really unfortunate, and is an ill conceived strategy to gain market share in China.
My advise to the Chinese people, have fun with reading the US media on China. When they are engaged in a smear campaign, don't get emotional and don't believe a word of what they are saying until they've provided nothing less than hard and solid proof. No need to get angry as well, because this is just their way of reporting. And if you don't have too much time, skip all their "news" that talks about China.
Maybe answers to those questions are much more obvious than I think. But I'd appreciate if someone can help me pointing out my blind spot. Thanks.
I'm only partially kidding. In China, people use free email accounts (like Gmail or Hotmail) both for personal and for business use. In the West, it would be very weird if a partner at a prominent law firm (who is also a noted human rights activist) lists "xyz_law@gmail.com" as his business email address; but in China that would be quite normal.
The point is in China these email addresses are generally known.
"Shao acknowledged that every year four or five students from his computer science department were recruited into the military." If this is called by related to Military, then at least 50% of Vocational schools and high schools are related to Military since some of their graduates would go to Army.
By the way, with this standard, how many Vocational Schools and High Schools are Military related in USA?