July 3, 2005 6:00 AM PDT
The mystery of time travel
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When it comes to the nature of time travel, physicists are pretty much at a loss, but some theorists think that has to change.
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NO, she said, NOT UNTIL YOU'RE OLDER. THE LAW FORBIDS TIME TRAVEL UNTIL YOUR 21, etc...
Fixations and predelictions of individual humankind will always persist, as does the drive for exploration.
The notion of traveling back in time and the subsequent altering of future personal events by killing your grandfather or any other person, or altering the outcome of any specific event is illogical within the context of simplicity as we know it.
Assuming we have uncovered any means of actualizing time travel we would only be able to "view" events that have happened or are subsequently crystalized to happen. Just as we view a TV program that has already been created and shown, we are allowed to "view" but not to interact with it. And any possible interaction would only be on the basis of an already created series of predetermined outcomes. You cannot view what doesn't exist.
The ability to interact with, and alter, any event or life would immediately bring about the destruction of everything, because of the "connectedness" of all things. Think of this is a single thread holding a seam together in a lock stitch. Pulling on that thread unravels the entire mechanism of "holding". Removing your grandfather also removes everyone and every thing he ever came in contact with... which also removes every one and ever thing "they" came in contact with. And so on through the thread.
Bottom line: Time travel is relevant and probable, but "interaction beyond just viewing events" is not allowed.
NO, she said, NOT UNTIL YOU'RE OLDER. THE LAW FORBIDS TIME TRAVEL UNTIL YOUR 21, etc...
Fixations and predelictions of individual humankind will always persist, as does the drive for exploration.
The notion of traveling back in time and the subsequent altering of future personal events by killing your grandfather or any other person, or altering the outcome of any specific event is illogical within the context of simplicity as we know it.
Assuming we have uncovered any means of actualizing time travel we would only be able to "view" events that have happened or are subsequently crystalized to happen. Just as we view a TV program that has already been created and shown, we are allowed to "view" but not to interact with it. And any possible interaction would only be on the basis of an already created series of predetermined outcomes. You cannot view what doesn't exist.
The ability to interact with, and alter, any event or life would immediately bring about the destruction of everything, because of the "connectedness" of all things. Think of this is a single thread holding a seam together in a lock stitch. Pulling on that thread unravels the entire mechanism of "holding". Removing your grandfather also removes everyone and every thing he ever came in contact with... which also removes every one and ever thing "they" came in contact with. And so on through the thread.
Bottom line: Time travel is relevant and probable, but "interaction beyond just viewing events" is not allowed.
NO, she said, NOT UNTIL YOU'RE OLDER. THE LAW FORBIDS TIME TRAVEL UNTIL YOUR 21, etc...
Fixations and predelictions of individual humankind will always persist, as does the drive for exploration.
The notion of traveling back in time and the subsequent altering of future personal events by killing your grandfather or any other person, or altering the outcome of any specific event is illogical within the context of simplicity as we know it.
Assuming we have uncovered any means of actualizing time travel we would only be able to "view" events that have happened or are subsequently crystalized to happen. Just as we view a TV program that has already been created and shown, we are allowed to "view" but not to interact with it. And any possible interaction would only be on the basis of an already created series of predetermined outcomes. You cannot view what doesn't exist.
The ability to interact with, and alter, any event or life would immediately bring about the destruction of everything, because of the "connectedness" of all things. Think of this is a single thread holding a seam together in a lock stitch. Pulling on that thread unravels the entire mechanism of "holding". Removing your grandfather also removes everyone and every thing he ever came in contact with... which also removes every one and every thing "they" came in contact with. And so on through the thread.
Bottom line: Time travel is relevant and probable, but "interaction beyond just viewing events" is not allowed.
NO, she said, NOT UNTIL YOU'RE OLDER. THE LAW FORBIDS TIME TRAVEL UNTIL YOUR 21, etc...
Fixations and predelictions of individual humankind will always persist, as does the drive for exploration.
The notion of traveling back in time and the subsequent altering of future personal events by killing your grandfather or any other person, or altering the outcome of any specific event is illogical within the context of simplicity as we know it.
Assuming we have uncovered any means of actualizing time travel we would only be able to "view" events that have happened or are subsequently crystalized to happen. Just as we view a TV program that has already been created and shown, we are allowed to "view" but not to interact with it. And any possible interaction would only be on the basis of an already created series of predetermined outcomes. You cannot view what doesn't exist.
The ability to interact with, and alter, any event or life would immediately bring about the destruction of everything, because of the "connectedness" of all things. Think of this is a single thread holding a seam together in a lock stitch. Pulling on that thread unravels the entire mechanism of "holding". Removing your grandfather also removes everyone and every thing he ever came in contact with... which also removes every one and every thing "they" came in contact with. And so on through the thread.
Bottom line: Time travel is relevant and probable, but "interaction beyond just viewing events" is not allowed.
NO, she said, NOT UNTIL YOU'RE OLDER. THE LAW FORBIDS TIME TRAVEL UNTIL YOU'RE 21, etc...
Fixations and predelictions of individual humankind will always persist, as does the drive for exploration.
The notion of traveling back in time and the subsequent altering of future personal events by killing your grandfather or any other person, or altering the outcome of any specific event is illogical within the context of simplicity as we know it.
Assuming we have uncovered any means of actualizing time travel we would only be able to "view" events that have happened or are subsequently crystalized to happen. Just as we view a TV program that has already been created and shown, we are allowed to "view" but not to interact with it. And any possible interaction would only be on the basis of an already created series of predetermined outcomes. You cannot view what doesn't exist.
The ability to interact with, and alter, any event or life would immediately bring about the destruction of everything, because of the "connectedness" of all things. Think of this is a single thread holding a seam together in a lock stitch. Pulling on that thread unravels the entire mechanism of "holding". Removing your grandfather also removes everyone and every thing he ever came in contact with... which also removes every one and every thing "they" came in contact with. And so on through the thread.
Bottom line: Time travel is relevant and probable, but "interaction beyond just viewing events" is not allowed.
NO, she said, NOT UNTIL YOU'RE OLDER. THE LAW FORBIDS TIME TRAVEL UNTIL YOU'RE 21, etc...
Fixations and predelictions of individual humankind will always persist, as does the drive for exploration.
The notion of traveling back in time and the subsequent altering of future personal events by killing your grandfather or any other person, or altering the outcome of any specific event is illogical within the context of simplicity as we know it.
Assuming we have uncovered any means of actualizing time travel we would only be able to "view" events that have happened or are subsequently crystalized to happen. Just as we view a TV program that has already been created and shown, we are allowed to "view" but not to interact with it. And any possible interaction would only be on the basis of an already created series of predetermined outcomes. You cannot view what doesn't exist.
The ability to interact with, and alter, any event or life would immediately bring about the destruction of everything, because of the "connectedness" of all things. Think of this is a single thread holding a seam together in a lock stitch. Pulling on that thread unravels the entire mechanism of "holding". Removing your grandfather also removes everyone and every thing he ever came in contact with... which also removes every one and every thing "they" came in contact with. And so on through the thread.
Bottom line: Time travel is relevant and probable, but "interaction beyond just viewing events" is not allowed.
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since we dont even really know what time is or how it works... scientists are talking out of their butt when they say its possible...
one pile of crap
since we dont even really know what time is or how it works... scientists are talking out of their butt when they say its possible...
one pile of crap
The earth, as example, travels over 30,000 miles every hour in it's orbit. A time displacement of even one second results in a change of location of several miles. This motion is complicated by the motion of the surface of the planet as it rotates around it's axis, the motion of the sun as it rotates within the galaxy, and the motion of the entire galaxy itself. A displacement of several years would have the time traveler pop out wherever the planet will be at the then-future location where the traveler begins. As the traveler can reasonably be expected to retain whatever vector it had at the moment of departure from it's time and location, that vector will continue and move it out of the path of the approaching target. In order to pop out of the machine where the planet was at the targeted time, great distance would have to be instantly traversed, and all vectors precisely matched, or the traveler would become a tennis ball with the planet a very fast tennis racquet.
In other words, the billiard ball would not emerge on the billiard table. It would emerge wherever the table will be at that small fraction of time required to traverse the table itself. The ball may move only a few inches relative to the table, but the table will travel several miles.
If such a machine were constructed, regardless of size, the traveler would need to compensate for all of these motions (orbit, spin, galactic displacement, etc.) precisely in order to emerge in what appears to the traveler as the same place where the journey began, which would necessitate unimaginable accelerations in order to be displaced over great distance as well as time. In other words, for H G Wells traveler to cover hundred or thousands of years, many trillions of miles would need to be traversed as well in order to not emerge in the vacuum of space where the planet will be at the moment when the traveler began the journey.
In the Contact story, Jodi Foster covers great distances, and converges with the past, all very quickly. The elapsed time from her perspective is much greater than what is seen by the outside observers. Although one can imagine the worm hole, or whatever, being flexible, like the rope of a tether ball, one still cannot escape the accelerations she and her craft would have encountered. Any person who has tried to hop up and down on a carrousel while it is rotating has experienced a tiny fraction of the problem. The floor of the carrousel is going in a circle, while the person on the platform is launched in a straight line from the point their feet leave the platform. The person touches down with a mismatched vector, and struggles to regain balance. Multiply this by millions or billions, and you can grasp the enormity of the problem.
Thus, if time travel is possible, it would of necessity be a one way trip. Any effort to kill one's progenitor would necessitate traveling a very great distance after traveling the time back. The billiard ball would emerge in some place other than where it left, and could therefore not interfere with itself.
If the time machine itself goes with the traveler, the above mentioned accelerations and vector matching would have to be possible. If, however, as some science fiction authors have imagined, the time travel is on the order of a two way portal the traveler passes through, then our collective minds must accept that such a device can simultaneously occupy not only two different "whens", but also all the different "wheres" between the starting point and end point in order to theorize that the journey emerges at the same location as the departure. This is even more absurd than contemplating the murder of your own ancestor.
I can accept the concept of travel through time as a physical reality only if I'm not expected to consider that people or objects can be transported by time travel. In other words, at some level of physical reality, it seems likely that some type of particle or energy may move in time in a fashion unlike the majority of the remaining cosmos, possibly leaping forward in time or going backward. But even my most optimistic imagination cannot accept something as organized and complex as a living being making such a journey without being shredded or homogenized by the attendant accelerations. Wonderful mental exercise for great minds, but not probable as a means of travel.
time travel has to make the universe move too. Makes sense.
The earth, as example, travels over 30,000 miles every hour in it's orbit. A time displacement of even one second results in a change of location of several miles. This motion is complicated by the motion of the surface of the planet as it rotates around it's axis, the motion of the sun as it rotates within the galaxy, and the motion of the entire galaxy itself. A displacement of several years would have the time traveler pop out wherever the planet will be at the then-future location where the traveler begins. As the traveler can reasonably be expected to retain whatever vector it had at the moment of departure from it's time and location, that vector will continue and move it out of the path of the approaching target. In order to pop out of the machine where the planet was at the targeted time, great distance would have to be instantly traversed, and all vectors precisely matched, or the traveler would become a tennis ball with the planet a very fast tennis racquet.
In other words, the billiard ball would not emerge on the billiard table. It would emerge wherever the table will be at that small fraction of time required to traverse the table itself. The ball may move only a few inches relative to the table, but the table will travel several miles.
If such a machine were constructed, regardless of size, the traveler would need to compensate for all of these motions (orbit, spin, galactic displacement, etc.) precisely in order to emerge in what appears to the traveler as the same place where the journey began, which would necessitate unimaginable accelerations in order to be displaced over great distance as well as time. In other words, for H G Wells traveler to cover hundred or thousands of years, many trillions of miles would need to be traversed as well in order to not emerge in the vacuum of space where the planet will be at the moment when the traveler began the journey.
In the Contact story, Jodi Foster covers great distances, and converges with the past, all very quickly. The elapsed time from her perspective is much greater than what is seen by the outside observers. Although one can imagine the worm hole, or whatever, being flexible, like the rope of a tether ball, one still cannot escape the accelerations she and her craft would have encountered. Any person who has tried to hop up and down on a carrousel while it is rotating has experienced a tiny fraction of the problem. The floor of the carrousel is going in a circle, while the person on the platform is launched in a straight line from the point their feet leave the platform. The person touches down with a mismatched vector, and struggles to regain balance. Multiply this by millions or billions, and you can grasp the enormity of the problem.
Thus, if time travel is possible, it would of necessity be a one way trip. Any effort to kill one's progenitor would necessitate traveling a very great distance after traveling the time back. The billiard ball would emerge in some place other than where it left, and could therefore not interfere with itself.
If the time machine itself goes with the traveler, the above mentioned accelerations and vector matching would have to be possible. If, however, as some science fiction authors have imagined, the time travel is on the order of a two way portal the traveler passes through, then our collective minds must accept that such a device can simultaneously occupy not only two different "whens", but also all the different "wheres" between the starting point and end point in order to theorize that the journey emerges at the same location as the departure. This is even more absurd than contemplating the murder of your own ancestor.
I can accept the concept of travel through time as a physical reality only if I'm not expected to consider that people or objects can be transported by time travel. In other words, at some level of physical reality, it seems likely that some type of particle or energy may move in time in a fashion unlike the majority of the remaining cosmos, possibly leaping forward in time or going backward. But even my most optimistic imagination cannot accept something as organized and complex as a living being making such a journey without being shredded or homogenized by the attendant accelerations. Wonderful mental exercise for great minds, but not probable as a means of travel.
time travel has to make the universe move too. Makes sense.
2 they invent it but dont come to here (possibly to no time without timetravel)
3 they invent it but refuse to travel at all
4 they travel and are here... but you cant see them
5 they travel back and send arnold to fix all of bushes mistakes.
2 they invent it but dont come to here (possibly to no time without timetravel)
3 they invent it but refuse to travel at all
4 they travel and are here... but you cant see them
5 they travel back and send arnold to fix all of bushes mistakes.
"String theory" Wrong
"Wormholes" Wrong
"Warp drive" laughable
"Stephen W. Hawking conclusion" Wrong
"Space-time foam." Wrong
Stop thinking linear!
rest of humanity?
... or are you just a BS artist afterall ???????????????
The predictable answer, presumably, "future thinking", which would be proof of time travel, would it not? But would this be logical, or is your logic not subject to "universal rules" as everything else is?
This is not meant to be sarcastic, but rather a challenge to your definitive "wrongs" as you indicate above.
"String theory" Wrong
"Wormholes" Wrong
"Warp drive" laughable
"Stephen W. Hawking conclusion" Wrong
"Space-time foam." Wrong
Stop thinking linear!
rest of humanity?
... or are you just a BS artist afterall ???????????????
The predictable answer, presumably, "future thinking", which would be proof of time travel, would it not? But would this be logical, or is your logic not subject to "universal rules" as everything else is?
This is not meant to be sarcastic, but rather a challenge to your definitive "wrongs" as you indicate above.