February 2, 2007 4:00 AM PST

Survey: Are domain registrars free-speech friendly?

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Consequently, in nearly every instance where a domain is being used as part of an illegal scheme, the contact information of the owner is false or deliberately misleading.

Whether the personal contact information used has been stolen from some random person, or simply pulled out of thin air, we most frequently take action against a domain if the complaint for illegal activity is justified, well-documented by multiple respectable sources, and when we have proof that the registration data is incorrect.

We would love to have an official court order each time, but it simply doesn't work like that as you know: courts are reacting to evolution, not anticipating it.

4. How many domain names do your customers currently have registered through you?

Despite the fact that we have chosen to not have a marketing budget, to not publish ads in magazines, to not air commercials on TV during certain football games, and to rely exclusively on word-of-mouth for getting our name out, we are proud to say that we currently manage over 550,000 domain names, with an acceleration last year and a half and our "new start." (The company was acquired 1.5 years ago by a team of managers to build an alternative and "historical" registrar and hoster.)

5. Go Daddy last week suspended its customer's domain, Seclists.org, because of a complaint from MySpace. Would you have done the same thing in the same way if Seclists.org happened to be your customer?

Funny you should ask that question, because it just so happens that Gandi was indeed contacted last week by someone claiming to be from MySpace!

Upon the reception of the complaint (made on our answering machine), we immediately opened a case to examine its merit, which begins by looking into the person making the complaint, and requesting additional information, if necessary. In this case, as we were unable to contact the person who made the complaint, either by telephone or e-mail, and as we were not provided with any justification for the complaint, no action was taken.

We can tell the difference between a mailing list, an offensive post in a forum, and spam. Our investigative process would have told us what action to take, and we would have been able to justify our action with confidence to all of CNET's readers.

6. If you do suspend domain names in the absence of a court order, what procedures do you have in place to ensure that the customer is notified beforehand and given adequate opportunity to respond?

With very few exceptions, when we are forced to suspend a domain name, it is for the very reason that the owner has neither replied to our numerous attempts to contact them, nor was it possible for us to contact them through the information that they provided to us.

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free speech?
Is now defined as being able to post a list of usernames and passwords for the world to see? Little significance if it's myspace - if it were Bank of America usernames and passwords, the guy would have ended up in jail faster than you could blink.
Posted by Sunflare98 (34 comments )
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Free speech
Free speech is so important that it is always the *first* refuge of lame-Os everywhere in hopes they can get support. They do something wrong and right away it's "free speech! free speech!" It's too bad as it erodes public support of TRUE free speech issues (of which there are many).
Posted by WDS2 (183 comments )
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Unfortunate title, but great article
Kudos to CNET for this survey. If you read the entire article you'll realize it doesn't really have anything to do with free speech. Also, if you understand the details of the situation, the site owner didn't do anything wrong. The site archives mailing lists, and one of the lists included this username/password list. The list is readily available on the internet. Instead of trying to shut down this site, MySpace should have spent its time changing the passwords of its users.

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://domainnamewire.com/2007/02/02/cnet-surveys-registrars-about-godaddy-suspension/" target="_newWindow">http://domainnamewire.com/2007/02/02/cnet-surveys-registrars-about-godaddy-suspension/</a>
Posted by andrew999999999 (42 comments )
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Afraid to go on record?
I find it interesting that some of these companies would not go
on record defining their policies. While I understand that each
situation needs to be handled on a case-by-case basis, there
should be some policies and procedures in place that are clearly
outlined to the customer so that we understand the protocol if
such a situation arises. Did GoDaddy verify that indeed the
person making the claim was an employee of MySpace and had
the authorization to make a complaint? While I understand the
need to protect the public in cases of breaches of security, we
must temper that without resorting to kneejerk reactions and
immediate suspension. I sometimes feel that these companies
hide behind their Terms of Use and other legalese without
having any obligations to their customers.
Posted by wb113324 (3 comments )
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Go Daddy
It's interesting that Go Daddy responded to the survey instead of apologizing. It's time for Bob Parsons to think very seriously about how his company is perceived internationally. It's time for his "abuse" staff and legal counsel to get some training.
Posted by bluehole.foetry (3 comments )
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Never liked GoDaddy
I've always thought the management and practices of GoDaddy were arrogant and have felt that they've historically been primarily interested in promoting their own interests over the interests of their customers. They got where they are today for primarily one reason: undercutting the competition's prices. Historically their level of service has been commensurate with their prices, which is to say pretty poor. It was only after they became a very large registrar that they introduced things like 24x7 telephone support, something competitors had offered for years prior.

Also, lots of borderline questionable activities are supported by GoDaddy's controversial "private registration" service, where they block the public from seeing the details about a domain registrar (via WHOIS) that are supposed to be (by ICANN policy) public record. I question whether they are doing the 'net as a whole any favors by providing that service. However no doubt they are generating handsome revenue from some of the shady operations that hide behind that scheme.

Back when Network Solutions was the 800 lb gorilla that everyone hated (for good reason - another example of a large arrogant dominant registrar offering poor service) and when the independent registrar industry was just getting started, I investigated many different registrars. It was a real eye-opener to read through the terms of service of some of the "most recognized" companies in the business (ie dotster, register.com, etc) which in many cases tried to not only marginalize the amount of control the registrant had over the domain, but also had clauses that imposed confiscatory fees and waiting periods over the slightest irregularity, and many of them included text that basically gave the registrar the right to abuse your private details to either spam you directly or sell these details to others to spam you.

I ended up settling on a company called Domain Discover for all of my own and my client's domains, because while they didn't offer the cheapest prices (TANSTAAFL), they offered astute, courteous, prompt 24x7 service, and their terms of service clearly tilted the power over the domain towards the domain-registrant, rather than the registrar. There was little if any "hidden fees" to re-register a domain that lapsed (as others have noted in other followups to an earlier article on the GoDaddy/Seclists/MySpace controversy), and I have never had a single problem with them. Their WHOIS servers are fast and reliable, their website is efficient and utilitarian rather than something the marketing department ran amuck with, etc.

So DomainDiscover is definitely a keeper, and I am sure there are some other good registrars out there that aren't as much of a "household name" as the biggest companies. (Gandi is probably one of them, but because they're based in France and didn't have telephone support when I investigated them, they weren't a great option for me)

Phil Koenig
Posted by pjk0 (1198 comments )
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Thanks Phil...
for the good post. I am going to transfer my domains to domaindiscover.com.
Another reason I disliked GoDaddy is that when I recently renewed a domain using the PayPal option, GoDaddy stipulated a $500 monthly maximum in their PayPal agreement which to me is way out of line for an $8.95 transaction.

Posted by tvhawaii (5 comments )
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DirectNIC is Great
Have used them for 10 years: they are fantastic.

Reasonably priced. Good service.

Stayed running through Katrina!
Posted by dansterpower (2511 comments )
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Godaddy is starting to annoy me.
Godaddy moved all my domains to Windows from Linux.

I am not here to give Microsoft a boost in their dismal stats for IIS over Apache and Linux.

I was happy having them parked on a Linux server. But Godaddy and Microsft did a deal and moved them to Windows without asking the customer.

Now that I think of it, I will move my domains from Godaddy. They are really starting to annoy me now.

Posted by t8 (3716 comments )
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Tucows refused to participate
No surprise there -- Tucows has become notoriously unresponsive since the onset of their "expansion" phase a year or two ago.

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://tucowed.blogspot.com" target="_newWindow">http://tucowed.blogspot.com</a>
Posted by tucowed (2 comments )
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Cracks me up
You guys crack me up and have it totally wrong. Directnic routinely suspends domains without just cause which is funny that you list them here. I suggest you guys stick to things you know about and leave the domain reporting to those of us who know what we are talking about.

- <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.thehostguru.com" target="_newWindow">http://www.thehostguru.com</a>
Posted by rosshosman-2006316116401890488 (5 comments )
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Gandi.net is asking for personal documents not listed in their agreement!
It says here that "Gandi.net protects your domain name", but who will protect you from Gandi???
I transfered a domain name that I purchased in January for $xx,xxx to Gandi.net from Network Solutions, Gandi was reccomended to me
by a friend in France from LVMH that has worked with Lycos before and knows that the former CEO of
Lycos Europe is the owner of Gandi.net and that you can trust a company like that, but can you?
Network Solutions claimed that we transfered the domain without authorization from the owner, but we were
the owner before it was transfered and we bought the domain from the seller fair and square.
My domain is frozen for over a month now and ive sent documents to Gandi.net that even
my Tax attorney in the US told me not to send, but I still sent them,
and in a few weeks I will send them the notorized documents, but it seems that Gandi trusts nobody.
I sent them copies of the purchase contract, invoices, scanned passport copy, office addresses, phone numbers,faxes,
company registration documents, shareholder meeting documents supporting me as President of my company e.t.c...
I spoke with their support staff, a Mr. Ryan Anderson, who was pretty friendly and told me that I will have control
over the domain by the 28th of Feb., but their lawyer a Mrs. Francoise told me that
I that I wont, only if I prove that the company is real, but I already sent
documents to them providing proof of myself, 10 numbers for contacting me,
my companies Registration documents, and my office details. They never even called my office, to confirm the companies
residence there, as my secretary told me. They only sent a Fedex to my P.O. Box that forwarded
the package to my office, after my staff opened it, it was the same letter that was faxed to
all my 5 fax machines. No UDRP or WIPO proceedure was filed by the former owner as he knows that he will lose
since we have all contracts and payment documents, but it seems that I have picked a Registrar
that can do anything they want with my domain name and has the right to ask me for "ANY" documents
just so I can control it again. Whats next, my medical records??? HIV/ and AIDS blood tests?
What? My lawyer at Gowlings is searching for a good I.T. lawyer in France to handle the situation
if it gets out of hand, but I dont understand how can people publish articles like
"Gandi protects your domain name" when the most important part the registrar should also
do is protect you, the client, plus a little trust on their part wont be bad either.
Has anything like this happend to you Gandi clients here??? Any reccomendations???
Thank You
Neal Baltz
Posted by nealbaltz (1 comment )
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Reply to Mr. Baltz' comment
Hello CNET readers,

Mr. Baltz is referring to a litigious domain
name that was transferred to Gandi following a
fradulant ownership change at the previous

In the short time that the domain was registered
with Gandi following a transfer, we were unable
to verify the authenticity of the documents
provided as evidence of the domain name's
registrant. The documents provided that Mr.
Baltz mentione are also currently under
investigation by the FBI as they are deemed to
be fradulant and/or part of a fradulant

As Gandi takes extreme measures to protect the
rights of domain name owners, and as the
documents in the particular case to which Mr.
Baltz is referring were of inauthentic, we
requested only certified copies, which were not

Additionally, the .com registry, Verisign, the
former registrar, and Gandi were all in
agreement that the validity of the domain's
owner was questionable and thus the transfer of
the domain, irregular. Consequently, the domain
was returned by the Registry to the former
registrar, following a special inter-registrar
procedure set up for such purposes, where the
owner was returned to the legitimate owner by
the original registrar.

This is just another example of the importance
that registrars must take in ensuring that the
owner of a domain is indeed the owner before
undertaking any operation concerning the
modification of a domain name's owner.

This is the final communication that we will
make on this particular topic, which has been
resolved at the registry level.

Gandi SAS
Posted by Gandi SAS (1 comment )
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Nomer.com, first ICANN accredited Registrar in Latin America, only suspend a domain name if is a clear case of physhing.

Best Regards,

Ricardo Vaz Monteiro
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.Nomer.com.br" target="_newWindow">http://www.Nomer.com.br</a>
Posted by agenciawww (1 comment )
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I owned a domain name webricate.com and my sole purpose was to develop website templates for cleints. My Clients provide me with all contents and graphics and we arrange layout of a template to give them a mockup. Once done this goes live on their website. On Friday 10 October Godaddy suspended my account at closing hours and I was not able to see my website or any of template mockups on weekend. My company has lost £1200 since then. The only email I have received is that some one claimed that contents on my website are copywrited and it was only on one template out of 200 templates. Suspending a domain and hosting rather than only that template I was not even told about this unless enquired. The worst thing is that their copyrights claim department can only repsond by email while all other support departments are available 24/7 on phone. I have sent them an email and also apologized on behalf of my client who simply wanted to have a website similar to the one that claimed copyrights however the content and material was given to us for a mockup. Its similar to asking for a youtube functionality but with different video categories. The worst thing is I had 77 subdomains running in various folders and all of them went suspended at the same time. The claiming body did tell GoDaddy that copyright has been broken in only one folder however if they had contacted us we would have removed the material at once. After all it is unlikely that we can go on each website on internet to check if a client is giving us their own contents. Our clients do tell us to have mockups similar to others and these mockups are temporary and GoDaddy should have spoken or at least given some respect to their customer than listening to someone claiming. A genuine claim should be investigate rather than just acted upon.
Posted by farrukhsubhani (2 comments )
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My experience with GANDI is just great. I am from India. I have checked many registrar but GANDI and Dotster are the best and most trusted in lot..believe me.
Posted by panapanapana (1 comment )
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What about Open SRS? How can we investigate this?
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