September 6, 2005 6:14 AM PDT

Spamhaus: Yahoo major phishing site host

Spamhaus has accused Yahoo of failing in the fight against online fraud, and Microsoft has admitted there is room for improvement.

Yahoo is playing host to thousands of phishing sites and doesn't have sufficiently well-trained staff to address the problem of online fraud, according to a leading anti-spam and security organization on Tuesday.

Richard Cox, chief information officer of Spamhaus, told an audience of politicians, security experts and law enforcement officials that Yahoo has just under 5,000 domains hosted and registered with the words 'bank', 'eBay' and 'PayPal' within the domain names.

Most of those are used as phishing sites, Cox told the London "eConfidence--Spam and Scams" conference.

Cox said that ISPs are failing to train their staff to recognize this as a security issue. "ISPs are treating abuse issues as customer service issues," Cox claimed.

In response, Yahoo said it would follow up on Cox's claims. "We take security very seriously and will be investigating this issue fully," Nick Hazell, alliance director for Yahoo Europe, told ZDNet UK.

It is understood that most of these domains were registered in the United States. It may be hard for Yahoo to take action until the domains are used in a phishing attack.

Meanwhile Ed Gibson, Microsoft UK's newly appointed chief security advisor, praised Spamhaus for its work. "Hats off to Spamhaus," Gibson told the audience. "We don't do a good job of responding to abuse. Spamhaus is excellent at highlighting areas of deficiency."

Tom Espiner of ZDNet UK reported from London.

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Spamhaus Sucks!!!
Spamhauses methods don't really work that good. Blocking an entire IP address doesn't stop spam. All it did for me was block my e-mail for a week+. Why? Because I use a shared hosting service. What they should have done was block the domain of the offending e-mailer so when they jump ship to another ISP they are still being blocked. Spamhaus is a joke and I personally have no use for them and never will. I hate spammers, but I hate Spamhaus and companies like it worse.
Posted by System Tyrant (1453 comments )
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Spamhaus doesn't block anything
Spamhaus doesn't block anyone from sending e-mail to anyone else, anywhere (except possibly for mail being sent to Spamhaus itself). OTHER ISPs have chosen to use the lists that Spamhaus provides.

If your ISP is blocking inbound (to you) e-mail based on Spamhaus' lists, then find another ISP.

If you're trying to send e-mail to another ISP that's blocking mail based on Spamhaus' lists, then you need to either get your ISP to reduce/eliminate the amount of spam that your ISP/your ISP's customers send out (e.g., your ISP is on a Spamhaus list for a reason), or find another ISP.

Jim
Posted by poster48150 (167 comments )
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Spamhaus Sucks!!!
Spamhauses methods don't really work that good. Blocking an entire IP address doesn't stop spam. All it did for me was block my e-mail for a week+. Why? Because I use a shared hosting service. What they should have done was block the domain of the offending e-mailer so when they jump ship to another ISP they are still being blocked. Spamhaus is a joke and I personally have no use for them and never will. I hate spammers, but I hate Spamhaus and companies like it worse.
Posted by System Tyrant (1453 comments )
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Spamhaus doesn't block anything
Spamhaus doesn't block anyone from sending e-mail to anyone else, anywhere (except possibly for mail being sent to Spamhaus itself). OTHER ISPs have chosen to use the lists that Spamhaus provides.

If your ISP is blocking inbound (to you) e-mail based on Spamhaus' lists, then find another ISP.

If you're trying to send e-mail to another ISP that's blocking mail based on Spamhaus' lists, then you need to either get your ISP to reduce/eliminate the amount of spam that your ISP/your ISP's customers send out (e.g., your ISP is on a Spamhaus list for a reason), or find another ISP.

Jim
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Adware Next
Spamhaus is an amazing organization -- we only need now someone to look into practices of adware and prevent domains that promote adware from being accessed.

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Posted by (6 comments )
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I will say this again..
although I know many will disagree with me. Spamhaus's methods simply don't work. You don't fight spam by blacklisting an IP address. Spammers just move to a new server with a new domain and those left on a shared host server are left to suffer.

The only answer I get from people is either use a dedicated host, have multiple e-mail host, or change to a new host. I can't afford a dedicated host or multiple e-mail servers and it is costly and time consuming to switch host. The real solution is to target spammers and not catch everyone else in the net.
Posted by System Tyrant (1453 comments )
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You are a good spammer
So you're a well known researcher and inventor huh? Never heard of you.

Thanks for spamming the comments list, but I will pass on going to your "website."
Posted by (174 comments )
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Adware Next
Spamhaus is an amazing organization -- we only need now someone to look into practices of adware and prevent domains that promote adware from being accessed.

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[Edited by: admin on Sep 6, 2005 1:11 PM]
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Posted by (6 comments )
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I will say this again..
although I know many will disagree with me. Spamhaus's methods simply don't work. You don't fight spam by blacklisting an IP address. Spammers just move to a new server with a new domain and those left on a shared host server are left to suffer.

The only answer I get from people is either use a dedicated host, have multiple e-mail host, or change to a new host. I can't afford a dedicated host or multiple e-mail servers and it is costly and time consuming to switch host. The real solution is to target spammers and not catch everyone else in the net.
Posted by System Tyrant (1453 comments )
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You are a good spammer
So you're a well known researcher and inventor huh? Never heard of you.

Thanks for spamming the comments list, but I will pass on going to your "website."
Posted by (174 comments )
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Yahoo simply doesn't care
"We take security very seriously and will be investigating this issue fully"...

You've got to be kidding. Almost two years ago I sent Yahoo the personal address and phone number of the nitwit who registered a fraudulent eBay site (yes, they used their real address). After many emails and several calls, and assurances from Yahoo that the site had been dealt with, it remained up and ready to collect eBay logins and passwords 6 months later. This borders on criminal negligence.
Posted by (4 comments )
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Yahoo simply doesn't care
"We take security very seriously and will be investigating this issue fully"...

You've got to be kidding. Almost two years ago I sent Yahoo the personal address and phone number of the nitwit who registered a fraudulent eBay site (yes, they used their real address). After many emails and several calls, and assurances from Yahoo that the site had been dealt with, it remained up and ready to collect eBay logins and passwords 6 months later. This borders on criminal negligence.
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Yahoo has know about Phishing and done nothing
I get and report phishing emails to SBC/Yahoo weekly. I get no reply and no action. I have been getting phishing emails from fake SunBank, Regions Bank, Ebay and others for months now all coming from the sbc/yahoo domain. I report them and I still get them. So I have turned to reporting the ISP to the State AG. Maybe that will get something done.
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Yahoo has know about Phishing and done nothing
I get and report phishing emails to SBC/Yahoo weekly. I get no reply and no action. I have been getting phishing emails from fake SunBank, Regions Bank, Ebay and others for months now all coming from the sbc/yahoo domain. I report them and I still get them. So I have turned to reporting the ISP to the State AG. Maybe that will get something done.
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Yahoo its self is a scam...
Anything you install from Yahoo, it asks you if you want to install Messenger and Toolbar. I always uncheck both, but Messenger is always installed anyway. Hmm, and it seems that my antispyware software detected a suspicious file stored on my computer by Yahoo......The once great company...Well, not really GREAT, but "clean" company has become so worried about becoming the biggest, that they no longer care about overall quality and the well being of the consumer.
Posted by PCCRomeo (432 comments )
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Yahoo its self is a scam...
Anything you install from Yahoo, it asks you if you want to install Messenger and Toolbar. I always uncheck both, but Messenger is always installed anyway. Hmm, and it seems that my antispyware software detected a suspicious file stored on my computer by Yahoo......The once great company...Well, not really GREAT, but "clean" company has become so worried about becoming the biggest, that they no longer care about overall quality and the well being of the consumer.
Posted by PCCRomeo (432 comments )
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Armchair Quarterback
I think its easy to sit back and do what I call being an armchair quarterback. The fraud thats taking place these days is just plain crazy, if I dont receive at least 3 fake emails asking for usernames and passwords a week I feel left out. Of course I forward these e-mails to the proper security people of the companies that are being targeted and receive back a nice e-mail thanking me for doing so and it has been turned over to the proper authorities.

Yahoo was brought up in the story of having just fewer than 5000 sites I assume listed with the key words in the search listings. Wonder if its time to take those security problems out of the hands of the companies like yahoo and have an independent group of security people that have the ability to pull the plug on these sites, without having a bunch of red tape to wade through.

I dont think Yahoo is the only one having these issues to contend with and they do provide a good service to millions of people. On that note someone else already posted the comment of the latest yahoo punch. Whats with this new messenger that dumps a lot of unwanted crap on a persons system? I think theres and issue that yahoo needs to correct, no better than a spammer.
Posted by (18 comments )
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Armchair Quarterback
I think its easy to sit back and do what I call being an armchair quarterback. The fraud thats taking place these days is just plain crazy, if I dont receive at least 3 fake emails asking for usernames and passwords a week I feel left out. Of course I forward these e-mails to the proper security people of the companies that are being targeted and receive back a nice e-mail thanking me for doing so and it has been turned over to the proper authorities.

Yahoo was brought up in the story of having just fewer than 5000 sites I assume listed with the key words in the search listings. Wonder if its time to take those security problems out of the hands of the companies like yahoo and have an independent group of security people that have the ability to pull the plug on these sites, without having a bunch of red tape to wade through.

I dont think Yahoo is the only one having these issues to contend with and they do provide a good service to millions of people. On that note someone else already posted the comment of the latest yahoo punch. Whats with this new messenger that dumps a lot of unwanted crap on a persons system? I think theres and issue that yahoo needs to correct, no better than a spammer.
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Spamhaus.org Criminals John Reid Steve Linford
Spamhaus.org Criminals John Reid Steve Linford

SPAMHAUS is operated by this deviant criminal. He founded it. He came up with the name.
He runs it and he uses Steve Linford as a front so he will not have lawsuits filed against him in the USA.

Domestic Violence, Trespassing, battery, 'Exposure of Sexual Organs', numerous traffic violations, etc.

Spamhaus is abusing their position and power to attack this site by blackmailing our upstreams. As a result sometimes it is down for a day or so.

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Spamhaus claims to operate out of the United Kingdom, and John Blasik believes this gives him protection from a lawsuit in the United States.
As a matter of fact, Spamhaus is not Steve Linford (a UK resident), but John Blasik (aka John Reid). a resident of Palm Bay, Florida USA.

John Blasik first heard of Progressive Internet Communications Co. in May 1998, while cruising the news.admin.net-abuse.email newsgroup, a discussion list for technical people who oversee the distribution of e-mail.

Blasik, system administrator for semiconductor maker Intersil Corp., was particularly surprised to discover that Progressive, arguably one of the most notorious bulk commercial e-mail houses on the Internet, operates out of an office in Palm Bay.

Unsolicited bulk commercial e-mail is known as 'spam,' and those who send it are known as spammers, in Internet lingo.

'I can't stand spammers, especially ones that set up shop in my neighborhood,' said the Palm Bay resident, whose job is to block delivery of the unsolicited missives to Intersil employees.

'A lot of people claim they are against (spam), but then they turn around and buy a list from us,' said Roxanne Starr, a Progressive Internet Communications employee, speaking on behalf of the company's owners, Dave and Julie Everhart, who were in London early this week. 'It's part of the Internet, and people need to get used to it.'

Like junk mail and junk faxes before it, junk e-mail is a growing problem for Internet providers and Internet users alike - a problem some say ultimately could compromise the usefulness of the Internet and e-mail.

The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email and other anti-spam groups argue that bulk e-mail shifts the cost of sending it to the recipient. They say sending unsolicited e-mail wastes resources, displaces normal e-mail and is annoying and unethical. 'People are beginning to look at any e-mail ads as spam,' explained Ian Oxman, President of Chooseyourmail.com, an e-mail marketing company that delivers e-mail only if a customer specifically requests it. 'Part of the usefulness of e-mail is that it is quick and easy, but when your e-mail box is jammed with spam and porn, now it's a hassle.'

A March 1999 survey of 13,000 e-mail users found 91 percent had received spam at least once a week, while nearly half were spammed six or more times each week. The survey was conducted by GartnerGroup, a consulting firm, on behalf of Brightmail Technologies, a San Francisco e-mail services company.

According to Brightmail, up to 30 percent of all e-mail delivered to America Online subscribers is unsolicited. Handling unsolicited commercial e-mail costs Internet providers roughly $1 million each month; about $1 to $2 of a subscriber's monthly bill goes to fighting spam, Brightmail estimates.

An analysis of 2.8 million pieces of junk e-mail forwarded to the Spam Recycling Center, an anti-spam awareness effort by several major anti-spam groups, found about 30 percent promoted pornographic sites and 29 percent advertised 'get rich quick' schemes. The remainder were chain letters, health or diet scams, work-at-home schemes, easy-credit loans, credit repair scams and other mass-marketing ploys.

It costs only a few pennies to send out 1,000 bulk e-mail messages, with 100,000 e-mail addresses going for less than $100.

'It's so quick and so cost-effective,' said Starr of Progressive Internet Communications.

'We're managing our mail server for spam control about 40 percent of the time,' said Todd Crotts, system administrator for Orlando's MPINet, which recently acquired MetroLink Internet Services of Melbourne.

While several spam-related bills have been introduced in Congress, and one even passed the U.S. Senate, none have been enacted into law. At least 14 states have enacted some sort of anti-spam law, but the Sunshine State is not one of them. As a result, Florida often is linked to bulk e-mailers.

'Florida has quite a reputation as a spam center,' said Alan Murphy, Washington State Coordinator for the Forum for Responsible and Ethical E-mail, a group that opposes unsolicited e-mail messages.

For its part, Progressive Internet Communications uses professional bulk e-mail software that extracts e-mail addresses from newsgroup postings, large ISPs, chat rooms and registrations for free e-mail accounts, such as those offered by Microsoft's Hotmail, Starr said. The software also e-mails the message to the intended recipients automatically.

Such software is available for sale on the Internet for a few hundred to a few thousand dollars. Several of these software packages are sold by Florida companies.

Unlike some bulk e-mailers, Progressive does not forge return addresses or other message information to avert a flood of complaints from new message recipients, Starr said. And the company does not sell lists for adult sites, multilevel marketing schemes or chain letters, she added.

If people don't want to receive the e-mail, all they have to do is ask to be removed from future mailings, she said. The company has 5 million e-mail addresses on its 'opt out' list.

'We're not getting any more crazy phone calls or death threats' from people who are upset about getting unsolicited e-mail, she said. 'Why do we do it? It's profitable. Period. And if they ever try to stop us in the states, there's nothing to stop us overseas. Eighty percent of our business is overseas.'
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Spamhaus.org Criminals John Reid Steve Linford
Spamhaus.org Criminals John Reid Steve Linford

SPAMHAUS is operated by this deviant criminal. He founded it. He came up with the name.
He runs it and he uses Steve Linford as a front so he will not have lawsuits filed against him in the USA.

Domestic Violence, Trespassing, battery, 'Exposure of Sexual Organs', numerous traffic violations, etc.

Spamhaus is abusing their position and power to attack this site by blackmailing our upstreams. As a result sometimes it is down for a day or so.

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Spamhaus claims to operate out of the United Kingdom, and John Blasik believes this gives him protection from a lawsuit in the United States.
As a matter of fact, Spamhaus is not Steve Linford (a UK resident), but John Blasik (aka John Reid). a resident of Palm Bay, Florida USA.

John Blasik first heard of Progressive Internet Communications Co. in May 1998, while cruising the news.admin.net-abuse.email newsgroup, a discussion list for technical people who oversee the distribution of e-mail.

Blasik, system administrator for semiconductor maker Intersil Corp., was particularly surprised to discover that Progressive, arguably one of the most notorious bulk commercial e-mail houses on the Internet, operates out of an office in Palm Bay.

Unsolicited bulk commercial e-mail is known as 'spam,' and those who send it are known as spammers, in Internet lingo.

'I can't stand spammers, especially ones that set up shop in my neighborhood,' said the Palm Bay resident, whose job is to block delivery of the unsolicited missives to Intersil employees.

'A lot of people claim they are against (spam), but then they turn around and buy a list from us,' said Roxanne Starr, a Progressive Internet Communications employee, speaking on behalf of the company's owners, Dave and Julie Everhart, who were in London early this week. 'It's part of the Internet, and people need to get used to it.'

Like junk mail and junk faxes before it, junk e-mail is a growing problem for Internet providers and Internet users alike - a problem some say ultimately could compromise the usefulness of the Internet and e-mail.

The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email and other anti-spam groups argue that bulk e-mail shifts the cost of sending it to the recipient. They say sending unsolicited e-mail wastes resources, displaces normal e-mail and is annoying and unethical. 'People are beginning to look at any e-mail ads as spam,' explained Ian Oxman, President of Chooseyourmail.com, an e-mail marketing company that delivers e-mail only if a customer specifically requests it. 'Part of the usefulness of e-mail is that it is quick and easy, but when your e-mail box is jammed with spam and porn, now it's a hassle.'

A March 1999 survey of 13,000 e-mail users found 91 percent had received spam at least once a week, while nearly half were spammed six or more times each week. The survey was conducted by GartnerGroup, a consulting firm, on behalf of Brightmail Technologies, a San Francisco e-mail services company.

According to Brightmail, up to 30 percent of all e-mail delivered to America Online subscribers is unsolicited. Handling unsolicited commercial e-mail costs Internet providers roughly $1 million each month; about $1 to $2 of a subscriber's monthly bill goes to fighting spam, Brightmail estimates.

An analysis of 2.8 million pieces of junk e-mail forwarded to the Spam Recycling Center, an anti-spam awareness effort by several major anti-spam groups, found about 30 percent promoted pornographic sites and 29 percent advertised 'get rich quick' schemes. The remainder were chain letters, health or diet scams, work-at-home schemes, easy-credit loans, credit repair scams and other mass-marketing ploys.

It costs only a few pennies to send out 1,000 bulk e-mail messages, with 100,000 e-mail addresses going for less than $100.

'It's so quick and so cost-effective,' said Starr of Progressive Internet Communications.

'We're managing our mail server for spam control about 40 percent of the time,' said Todd Crotts, system administrator for Orlando's MPINet, which recently acquired MetroLink Internet Services of Melbourne.

While several spam-related bills have been introduced in Congress, and one even passed the U.S. Senate, none have been enacted into law. At least 14 states have enacted some sort of anti-spam law, but the Sunshine State is not one of them. As a result, Florida often is linked to bulk e-mailers.

'Florida has quite a reputation as a spam center,' said Alan Murphy, Washington State Coordinator for the Forum for Responsible and Ethical E-mail, a group that opposes unsolicited e-mail messages.

For its part, Progressive Internet Communications uses professional bulk e-mail software that extracts e-mail addresses from newsgroup postings, large ISPs, chat rooms and registrations for free e-mail accounts, such as those offered by Microsoft's Hotmail, Starr said. The software also e-mails the message to the intended recipients automatically.

Such software is available for sale on the Internet for a few hundred to a few thousand dollars. Several of these software packages are sold by Florida companies.

Unlike some bulk e-mailers, Progressive does not forge return addresses or other message information to avert a flood of complaints from new message recipients, Starr said. And the company does not sell lists for adult sites, multilevel marketing schemes or chain letters, she added.

If people don't want to receive the e-mail, all they have to do is ask to be removed from future mailings, she said. The company has 5 million e-mail addresses on its 'opt out' list.

'We're not getting any more crazy phone calls or death threats' from people who are upset about getting unsolicited e-mail, she said. 'Why do we do it? It's profitable. Period. And if they ever try to stop us in the states, there's nothing to stop us overseas. Eighty percent of our business is overseas.'
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Steve Linford Sucks spamhaus sucks
[size=14][b]Your Internet provider is probably blocking and censoring your incoming emails.[/b][/size]

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[b]Call, email or write your Internet Provider and "demand" that they do not block your incoming emails using the Spamhaus blacklist. Inform them they will be responsible for any losses you incur as a result of emails you do not receive.[/b]



Want to talk to John Blasik, Steve Linford and the rest of the criminal Spamhaus gang? <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.spamhaussucks.com/forum.html" target="_newWindow">post at this forum</a> It's Like throwing a rock at a bee hive! lol


[b]SPAMHAUS is operated by this deviant criminal.[/b] He founded it. He came
up with the name. He runs it and he uses Steve Linford as a front so he will not have
lawsuits filed against him in the USA.

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[b]John Blasik A.K.A John Reid A.k.A Richard Cox (get it? Dick *****) very funny John.[/b]


[b]John Blasik A.K.A Spamhaus and long time member of the <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://floridakkk.com" target="_newWindow">KKK REALM OF FLORIDA</a>[/b]

Domestic Violence, Trespassing, battery, 'Exposure of Sexual Organs', [size=14][b]Indecency with a Child by Exposure[/b][/size]
numerous traffic violations, etc.

[size=16][b]F.A.Qs[/b][/size]

1. Spamhaus blacklist blocks more legitimate mail than spam.

2. Spamhaus uses blackmail tactics to achieve their goal of having hosts pay for their list.

3. Spamhaus has become a Spews clone and is completely militant and out of control.

4. Spamhaus grabs listings from other blacklists in an effort to gain more profits by having a bigger list.

5. Spamhaus blacklist usage is on the decline and with your help we can keep it going down

[size=16][b]What Can I do?[/b][/size]

1. Call or email your host and demand them not to use the lists made by this deviant or Spamhaus to block any of your emails. Most abuse hosts can be reached at abuse@YOURHOST.com

2. Write to your congressman and your ISP and tell them that you do not want your email blocked. there is no telling how much legitimate mail You are not receiving as a result of this. and if they have to block emails then use one of the free Open source lists that are not used along with blackmail tactics and operated by a deviant criminal.

3. Copy this website. Write about this website. Email this website. Do what ever you can to get the word out of what is happening to your freedom of speech. Spamhaus is almost like god on the internet now, closing any site they want when they want. this is way out of control and has to stop. you are free to copy this entire site or parts.





[b]Spamhaus is blacklisting and threatening any host that hosts this site. As a result it goes down often but will always be back.

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So far Spamhaus has blacklisted 6 hosts just for having this site hosted.


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John Reid" is actually John Blasik. What follows is information taken from public records.

John Blasik


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Maybe he's SPEWS too ?

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John Blasik was the one who originally cloned the term "Spamhaus"

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=mlb.fl.us+spamhaus&#38;hl=en&#38;lr=&#38;ie=UTF-8&#38;oe=UTF-8&#38;safe=off&#38;scoring=d&#38;start=70&#38;sa=N" target="_newWindow">http://groups.google.com/groups?q=mlb.fl.us+spamhaus&#38;hl=en&#38;lr=&#38;ie=UTF-8&#38;oe=UTF-8&#38;safe=off&#38;scoring=d&#38;start=70&#38;sa=N</a>

Many postings during work hours, maybe he doesn't have enough to do at work:

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Using Intersil's corporate Mail server for a personal domain. Maybe Intersil could be a defendant as well ?

Dig rtfm.mlb.fl.us@b.gtld.biz (209.173.57.162) ...
Authoritative Answer
Query for rtfm.mlb.fl.us type=255 class=1
rtfm.mlb.fl.us MX (Mail Exchanger) Priority: 10 mailin.eng.intersil.com
rtfm.mlb.fl.us A (Address) 132.158.40.81
us NS (Nameserver) a.gtld.biz
us NS (Nameserver) b.gtld.biz
us NS (Nameserver) c.gtld.biz
a.gtld.biz A (Address) 209.173.53.162
b.gtld.biz A (Address) 209.173.57.162
c.gtld.biz A (Address) 209.173.60.65



Public Records from www.brevardclerk.us

If he can only afford such a house, I wonder what kind of lawyer he can afford ?

Parcel Id: 28-37-28-01-0000A.0-0001.05
Map Millage Code: 34U0
Exemption: 1
Use Code: 135

* Site Address: 4615 NE TREE RIDGE LA, PALM BAY, FL 32905
Tax Account: 2836662

* Site address assigned by the Brevard County Address Assignment Office for mailing purposes; may not reflect community location of property.

Owner Information Owner Name: BLASIK, JOHN M

Second Name:

Third Name:

Mailing Address: 4615 TREE RIDGE LN NE

City, State, Zipcode: PALM BAY, FL 32905

Legal Description Plat Book/Page: 0025/0132
PINEHURST
PART OF LOT 1 BLK A AS DES IN ORB 2311 PG 698 AKA LOT 105 OF PINEWOOD I &#38; II TOWNHOMES

View Plat (requires Adobe Acrobat Reader-file size may be large)

Land Information Acres: 0.02

Site Code: 0

Land Value: $4,000

** This is the value established for ad valorem purposes in accordance with s.193.011(1) and (, Florida Statutes. This value does not represent anticipated selling price for the property.


Save Our Homes - Estimated Tax Savings 2003
Values
Millage Rate Taxes
Market Value $25,990




Exemptions $21,880




Taxable Value without SOH Cap $4,110
x 23.608 $97.03
Taxable Value with SOH cap $0
x 23.608 $0.00
2003 Estimated Savings Resulting From SOH


$97.03


Sales Information OR Book/Page Sale Date Sale Amount Deed Type *** Sales Screening Code *** Sales Screening Source Vacant/Improved
2311/0698
7/1981
$45,900
WD




*** Sales Screening Codes and Sources are from analysis by the Property Appraiser's staff. They have no bearing on the prior or potential marketability of the property.




Building Information PDC # Use Code Year Built Story Height Exterior Code Interior Code Roof Type Roof Mater. Floors Code Ceiling Code
1
135
1981
8
21
7
3
4
14
4

Building Area Information PDC # Base Area Garage Area Open Porches Car Port Screened Porches Utility Rooms Enclosed Porch Basements Attics Total Base Area
1
1224
0
80
0
0
0
0
0
0
1224

Extra Feature Information Pool Fireplace Fence Driveway Lawn Irrigation Shed Dock Seawall
No No No No No No No No

.

Tax Levied by Taxing Authorities for 2003

Taxing Authorities Taxes Billed
Ad Valorem
County $0.00
School $0.00
City/MSTU $0.00
Water Management $0.00
SP District $0.00
Debt Payment $0.00
Total Ad Valorem $0.00
Fee Agencies Fees Billed
Non Ad Valorem
SW Disposal $56.00
SW Collection $0.00
Recycling $0.00
EMS-Ambulance $47.73
Storm Water $0.00
HPK/BFOOT $0.00
WTR/Baytree/Viera Special Dist. $18.12
Total Non Ad Valorem $121.85
Total $121.85


Jan. 5, 2000


From <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.pctalent.com/geeks/pastshows.htm" target="_newWindow">http://www.pctalent.com/geeks/pastshows.htm</a>

Does this sound like him ? Call 321-951-7718 and see of yourself.

May 20, 2003 John Reid
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June 3, 2003 John Reid
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Lastly:

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Reply Link Flag
Steve Linford Sucks spamhaus sucks
[size=14][b]Your Internet provider is probably blocking and censoring your incoming emails.[/b][/size]

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.spamhaussucks.com" target="_newWindow">[img]http://www.spamhaussucks.com/images/logo_phpBB.gif[/img]</a>
[b]Call, email or write your Internet Provider and "demand" that they do not block your incoming emails using the Spamhaus blacklist. Inform them they will be responsible for any losses you incur as a result of emails you do not receive.[/b]



Want to talk to John Blasik, Steve Linford and the rest of the criminal Spamhaus gang? <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.spamhaussucks.com/forum.html" target="_newWindow">post at this forum</a> It's Like throwing a rock at a bee hive! lol


[b]SPAMHAUS is operated by this deviant criminal.[/b] He founded it. He came
up with the name. He runs it and he uses Steve Linford as a front so he will not have
lawsuits filed against him in the USA.

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.spamhaussucks.com" target="_newWindow">[img]http://www.spamhaussucks.com/images/blasik.jpg[/img]</a>

[b]John Blasik A.K.A John Reid A.k.A Richard Cox (get it? Dick *****) very funny John.[/b]


[b]John Blasik A.K.A Spamhaus and long time member of the <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://floridakkk.com" target="_newWindow">KKK REALM OF FLORIDA</a>[/b]

Domestic Violence, Trespassing, battery, 'Exposure of Sexual Organs', [size=14][b]Indecency with a Child by Exposure[/b][/size]
numerous traffic violations, etc.

[size=16][b]F.A.Qs[/b][/size]

1. Spamhaus blacklist blocks more legitimate mail than spam.

2. Spamhaus uses blackmail tactics to achieve their goal of having hosts pay for their list.

3. Spamhaus has become a Spews clone and is completely militant and out of control.

4. Spamhaus grabs listings from other blacklists in an effort to gain more profits by having a bigger list.

5. Spamhaus blacklist usage is on the decline and with your help we can keep it going down

[size=16][b]What Can I do?[/b][/size]

1. Call or email your host and demand them not to use the lists made by this deviant or Spamhaus to block any of your emails. Most abuse hosts can be reached at abuse@YOURHOST.com

2. Write to your congressman and your ISP and tell them that you do not want your email blocked. there is no telling how much legitimate mail You are not receiving as a result of this. and if they have to block emails then use one of the free Open source lists that are not used along with blackmail tactics and operated by a deviant criminal.

3. Copy this website. Write about this website. Email this website. Do what ever you can to get the word out of what is happening to your freedom of speech. Spamhaus is almost like god on the internet now, closing any site they want when they want. this is way out of control and has to stop. you are free to copy this entire site or parts.





[b]Spamhaus is blacklisting and threatening any host that hosts this site. As a result it goes down often but will always be back.

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.spamhaussucks.com/threats.htm" target="_newWindow">Click Here for emails threatening hosts.</a>[/b]


So far Spamhaus has blacklisted 6 hosts just for having this site hosted.


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John Reid" is actually John Blasik. What follows is information taken from public records.

John Blasik


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Maybe he's SPEWS too ?

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John Blasik was the one who originally cloned the term "Spamhaus"

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=mlb.fl.us+spamhaus&#38;hl=en&#38;lr=&#38;ie=UTF-8&#38;oe=UTF-8&#38;safe=off&#38;scoring=d&#38;start=70&#38;sa=N" target="_newWindow">http://groups.google.com/groups?q=mlb.fl.us+spamhaus&#38;hl=en&#38;lr=&#38;ie=UTF-8&#38;oe=UTF-8&#38;safe=off&#38;scoring=d&#38;start=70&#38;sa=N</a>

Many postings during work hours, maybe he doesn't have enough to do at work:

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Using Intersil's corporate Mail server for a personal domain. Maybe Intersil could be a defendant as well ?

Dig rtfm.mlb.fl.us@b.gtld.biz (209.173.57.162) ...
Authoritative Answer
Query for rtfm.mlb.fl.us type=255 class=1
rtfm.mlb.fl.us MX (Mail Exchanger) Priority: 10 mailin.eng.intersil.com
rtfm.mlb.fl.us A (Address) 132.158.40.81
us NS (Nameserver) a.gtld.biz
us NS (Nameserver) b.gtld.biz
us NS (Nameserver) c.gtld.biz
a.gtld.biz A (Address) 209.173.53.162
b.gtld.biz A (Address) 209.173.57.162
c.gtld.biz A (Address) 209.173.60.65



Public Records from www.brevardclerk.us

If he can only afford such a house, I wonder what kind of lawyer he can afford ?

Parcel Id: 28-37-28-01-0000A.0-0001.05
Map Millage Code: 34U0
Exemption: 1
Use Code: 135

* Site Address: 4615 NE TREE RIDGE LA, PALM BAY, FL 32905
Tax Account: 2836662

* Site address assigned by the Brevard County Address Assignment Office for mailing purposes; may not reflect community location of property.

Owner Information Owner Name: BLASIK, JOHN M

Second Name:

Third Name:

Mailing Address: 4615 TREE RIDGE LN NE

City, State, Zipcode: PALM BAY, FL 32905

Legal Description Plat Book/Page: 0025/0132
PINEHURST
PART OF LOT 1 BLK A AS DES IN ORB 2311 PG 698 AKA LOT 105 OF PINEWOOD I &#38; II TOWNHOMES

View Plat (requires Adobe Acrobat Reader-file size may be large)

Land Information Acres: 0.02

Site Code: 0

Land Value: $4,000

** This is the value established for ad valorem purposes in accordance with s.193.011(1) and (, Florida Statutes. This value does not represent anticipated selling price for the property.


Save Our Homes - Estimated Tax Savings 2003
Values
Millage Rate Taxes
Market Value $25,990




Exemptions $21,880




Taxable Value without SOH Cap $4,110
x 23.608 $97.03
Taxable Value with SOH cap $0
x 23.608 $0.00
2003 Estimated Savings Resulting From SOH


$97.03


Sales Information OR Book/Page Sale Date Sale Amount Deed Type *** Sales Screening Code *** Sales Screening Source Vacant/Improved
2311/0698
7/1981
$45,900
WD




*** Sales Screening Codes and Sources are from analysis by the Property Appraiser's staff. They have no bearing on the prior or potential marketability of the property.




Building Information PDC # Use Code Year Built Story Height Exterior Code Interior Code Roof Type Roof Mater. Floors Code Ceiling Code
1
135
1981
8
21
7
3
4
14
4

Building Area Information PDC # Base Area Garage Area Open Porches Car Port Screened Porches Utility Rooms Enclosed Porch Basements Attics Total Base Area
1
1224
0
80
0
0
0
0
0
0
1224

Extra Feature Information Pool Fireplace Fence Driveway Lawn Irrigation Shed Dock Seawall
No No No No No No No No

.

Tax Levied by Taxing Authorities for 2003

Taxing Authorities Taxes Billed
Ad Valorem
County $0.00
School $0.00
City/MSTU $0.00
Water Management $0.00
SP District $0.00
Debt Payment $0.00
Total Ad Valorem $0.00
Fee Agencies Fees Billed
Non Ad Valorem
SW Disposal $56.00
SW Collection $0.00
Recycling $0.00
EMS-Ambulance $47.73
Storm Water $0.00
HPK/BFOOT $0.00
WTR/Baytree/Viera Special Dist. $18.12
Total Non Ad Valorem $121.85
Total $121.85


Jan. 5, 2000


From <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.pctalent.com/geeks/pastshows.htm" target="_newWindow">http://www.pctalent.com/geeks/pastshows.htm</a>

Does this sound like him ? Call 321-951-7718 and see of yourself.

May 20, 2003 John Reid
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Lastly:

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Spamhaus Internet terrorists.
Spamhaus Internet terrorists.

Becoming what you oppose
Editorial by Dave Hayes

Many folks have asked me why I stopped "contributing" to the everlasting debates in NANA (news.admin.net-abuse.*). I generally respond with something along the lines of "I don't wish to become that which I oppose". Indeed, recently I've "plonked" several entities (among them the terrorists known as "spamhaus" and "spews") simply because I no longer wish to beat my head against the stone wall of ignorance.

Terrorists? Yes that's right. One definition of "terrorism" is "attacking innocents in the name of your cause". Nowhere is this more ironic and extreme than in the deeds of my old nemesi, the anti-spammer zealotry collective, some of whom are now known as spamhaus and spews. The terrorism they practice is implemented in the form of "mail blacklists".

Blacklists are not a new notion. In the 1950's, the infamous McCarthy blacklists contained names of "possible communists", which ultimately led us to a more sterile culture.

The social costs of what came to be called McCarthyism have yet to be computed. By conferring its prestige on the red hunt, the state did more than bring misery to the lives of hundreds of thousands of Communists, former Communists, fellow travelers, and unlucky liberals. It weakened American culture and it weakened itself. ---Victor Navasky, Naming Names (New York: Viking Press, 1980)

Modern internet technology has created our own version(s) of social blacklists. Many anti-spam zealots have turned to this method for freeing their mailboxes from spam. Simply expressed, these organizations maintain databases which are supposed to contain the IP addresses of known spammers. They then provide these databases to various electronic mail servers, so that the servers can reject email based on what's in these databases.

The bottom line is, if the machine that sends your email is on this list, a number of mail servers will automatically reject all email from your server.

If (and only if) they restricted these blacklists to actual spammers, I doubt very seriously that I would have problem with this practice. If we could trust human beings to maintain a logical and calm viewpoint about life, I doubt that I would have a problem with these blacklists. Unfortunately we cannot trust these things in either case.

Fact: Spamhaus and spews have added innocent IP blocks to their blacklists.

The anti-spammer idealotry goes like this: "Anyone who gets service from a network friendly to spammers is supporting the spammers and therefore our enemy." (The friend of my enemy is my enemy too?)

So here's how this goes. Once a network provider is branded "a communist"...er excuse me..."a spammer", ALL of their IP ranges are blocked. Typically a network provider is providing services for smaller service providers, many of whom would never and have never engaged in spamming of any kind. No notice is really given on these blacklisting events, rather you find out when mail starts bouncing to some destination. Usually an end customer is the first to notice, and that customers is directed by the bounce to complain to...their own ISP!

In essence, the customer is tricked into presenting the terrorist anti-spam agenda to the ISP. The ISP turns around and finds out that -their- provider (or provider's provider) is what the anti-spam zealots want "silenced". Until that target complies with their arbitrary agenda (usually of the form "stop spamming", but this is not always true...see below), everyone else has to suffer with electronic mail blocks.

What's wrong with this? Everything.

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First and foremost, the most often heard reason anti-spammers are so rabid about anti-spam is "it makes electronic mail unusable for average people". If this is true, then how does blocking innocent email help this situation? In fact, blacklisting innocents contributes to the problem. The hypocrisy here is so thick I doubt even a knife can cut it.
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The dishonor of the practice of blacklists is amazing. Many naive internet mail administrators add blacklists like spamhaus "because they work to reduce spam". Lots of these sites have no idea that they are being cut off from legitimate email because of these machinations. If their customers really knew that they were cutoff, I wonder how many would still buy service? Getting rid of spam is one thing, blocking that key business email that means $100K in sales is quite another.

Lets take this one step further. Person A buys email service from ISP X who is using Spamhaus to block spam email. Person A's daughter, who's income is very low due to being a student in college, buys email service from ISP Y (because it's cheap) who uses IAP S as their connectivity. ISP Y buys network from IAP S because it's cheap. Due to real life constraints, the only contact Person A has with their daughter is email.

IAP S suddenly gets put on the anti-spam master blacklist. The same day, Person A's daughter has a car accident. A roommate desperately tries to send email to Person A but it's blocked. Worse, it's blocked because these zealots have an idealogical cause which is set up to be more important than a person's life. This is the height of dishonor.
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The practice is quite criminal by many definitions and with criminals on all sides:
o

Any ISP that is blocked is told to "comply with our demands or be blacklisted" (a.k.a. extortion).
o

Attacking innocents in the name of their cause (a.k.a. terrorism).
o

Since the control of the blacklist is out of the hands of the service provider who subscribes to it, by law you must clearly state "random people may be blocked to your email box by other people who are not under our control" before selling "email services". I've never seen this stated on any ISP ad. (a.k.a false advertising)
o

Blacklisting ISPs is a good way of knocking them out of business (a.k.a restraint of trade)
o

If spam ever goes away, these organizations will also. Thus they have a vested interest in keeping spam alive (a.k.a playing both sides of the street)

Do note that the anti-spammers claim these practices are not criminal and will "reduce economic support for the 'spam friendly' ISPs". This claim is quite erroneous:

Fact: Spammer companies have far more money than most innocents.

Yep, to the tune of millions of dollars per month. SPAM is big business. Do you think that the income of one little ISP with 1000 customers is going to make any difference against the large income of a spam company? No! All that does is clear more bandwidth for the spammers to use, should the little ISP cave in and switch to another provider.

While there's no proof (that I'm aware of), it's not so far fetched to open up questions of collusion between "the providers that are anti-spam" and the "anti-spam blacklists". Certain providers, to compete, may pay the blacklist groups lots of money to keep attacking innocents, which gets them more customers in the long run as ISPs fold because they cant afford the connectivity provided by the "anti-spam supporter" providers.

I've established some things here:

1. In my opinion, blacklists are bad.
2. The anti-spammers are resorting to clearly criminal activities to further their goals: extortion, restraint-of-trade, terrorism.
3. The effect the anti-spammers are trying to have by blocking innocents only works to destroy email connectivity, the cure is worse than the disease.

This brings me to my concluding point. The original complaint against spammers included accusations of being criminal. Most spammers are considered criminal. Yet look at the anti-spammers! In their undying eternal zeal to end spam, they have become just what they oppose! Criminals and email destroyers. Gee, isn't this what they call the spammers?

The aware person realizes that fighting something only makes it stronger. Indeed, when you see two people rabidly on one side or the other, it's very hard to distinguish the two. They almost appear to be the same person, willing to commit any atrocity for the sake of their ideology or economics. What more do I need to know?

So, in a roundabout way, that's why I don't participate. I've done my days of tilting at windmills. I've presented my pearls, but the swine didn't hear any of them. They've misrepresented my position countless times for their own agendas, failed to understand even the most basic of the concepts I've explained, and twisted what I've said to make me out to be something I am not. ("Spam supporter"...lol)

I have finally realized that it has less to do with the ability to understand, it's mostly that they are not willing to understand. So in that climate I should once again venture forth into that primal never-ending argumentia that is NANA?

No. I'm sorry. I have far better things to do.
Posted by wssbill (9 comments )
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Thank you
You are someone who really understands whats going on.

Regulation, not Prohibition
Legitimate mailers respect the people they mail to as that IS the source of their income, and as such should be more than willing to comply with regulation. "Black-listers" need to do the same.
Posted by cykonetic (4 comments )
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Spamhaus Internet terrorists.
Spamhaus Internet terrorists.

Becoming what you oppose
Editorial by Dave Hayes

Many folks have asked me why I stopped "contributing" to the everlasting debates in NANA (news.admin.net-abuse.*). I generally respond with something along the lines of "I don't wish to become that which I oppose". Indeed, recently I've "plonked" several entities (among them the terrorists known as "spamhaus" and "spews") simply because I no longer wish to beat my head against the stone wall of ignorance.

Terrorists? Yes that's right. One definition of "terrorism" is "attacking innocents in the name of your cause". Nowhere is this more ironic and extreme than in the deeds of my old nemesi, the anti-spammer zealotry collective, some of whom are now known as spamhaus and spews. The terrorism they practice is implemented in the form of "mail blacklists".

Blacklists are not a new notion. In the 1950's, the infamous McCarthy blacklists contained names of "possible communists", which ultimately led us to a more sterile culture.

The social costs of what came to be called McCarthyism have yet to be computed. By conferring its prestige on the red hunt, the state did more than bring misery to the lives of hundreds of thousands of Communists, former Communists, fellow travelers, and unlucky liberals. It weakened American culture and it weakened itself. ---Victor Navasky, Naming Names (New York: Viking Press, 1980)

Modern internet technology has created our own version(s) of social blacklists. Many anti-spam zealots have turned to this method for freeing their mailboxes from spam. Simply expressed, these organizations maintain databases which are supposed to contain the IP addresses of known spammers. They then provide these databases to various electronic mail servers, so that the servers can reject email based on what's in these databases.

The bottom line is, if the machine that sends your email is on this list, a number of mail servers will automatically reject all email from your server.

If (and only if) they restricted these blacklists to actual spammers, I doubt very seriously that I would have problem with this practice. If we could trust human beings to maintain a logical and calm viewpoint about life, I doubt that I would have a problem with these blacklists. Unfortunately we cannot trust these things in either case.

Fact: Spamhaus and spews have added innocent IP blocks to their blacklists.

The anti-spammer idealotry goes like this: "Anyone who gets service from a network friendly to spammers is supporting the spammers and therefore our enemy." (The friend of my enemy is my enemy too?)

So here's how this goes. Once a network provider is branded "a communist"...er excuse me..."a spammer", ALL of their IP ranges are blocked. Typically a network provider is providing services for smaller service providers, many of whom would never and have never engaged in spamming of any kind. No notice is really given on these blacklisting events, rather you find out when mail starts bouncing to some destination. Usually an end customer is the first to notice, and that customers is directed by the bounce to complain to...their own ISP!

In essence, the customer is tricked into presenting the terrorist anti-spam agenda to the ISP. The ISP turns around and finds out that -their- provider (or provider's provider) is what the anti-spam zealots want "silenced". Until that target complies with their arbitrary agenda (usually of the form "stop spamming", but this is not always true...see below), everyone else has to suffer with electronic mail blocks.

What's wrong with this? Everything.

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First and foremost, the most often heard reason anti-spammers are so rabid about anti-spam is "it makes electronic mail unusable for average people". If this is true, then how does blocking innocent email help this situation? In fact, blacklisting innocents contributes to the problem. The hypocrisy here is so thick I doubt even a knife can cut it.
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The dishonor of the practice of blacklists is amazing. Many naive internet mail administrators add blacklists like spamhaus "because they work to reduce spam". Lots of these sites have no idea that they are being cut off from legitimate email because of these machinations. If their customers really knew that they were cutoff, I wonder how many would still buy service? Getting rid of spam is one thing, blocking that key business email that means $100K in sales is quite another.

Lets take this one step further. Person A buys email service from ISP X who is using Spamhaus to block spam email. Person A's daughter, who's income is very low due to being a student in college, buys email service from ISP Y (because it's cheap) who uses IAP S as their connectivity. ISP Y buys network from IAP S because it's cheap. Due to real life constraints, the only contact Person A has with their daughter is email.

IAP S suddenly gets put on the anti-spam master blacklist. The same day, Person A's daughter has a car accident. A roommate desperately tries to send email to Person A but it's blocked. Worse, it's blocked because these zealots have an idealogical cause which is set up to be more important than a person's life. This is the height of dishonor.
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The practice is quite criminal by many definitions and with criminals on all sides:
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Any ISP that is blocked is told to "comply with our demands or be blacklisted" (a.k.a. extortion).
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Attacking innocents in the name of their cause (a.k.a. terrorism).
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Since the control of the blacklist is out of the hands of the service provider who subscribes to it, by law you must clearly state "random people may be blocked to your email box by other people who are not under our control" before selling "email services". I've never seen this stated on any ISP ad. (a.k.a false advertising)
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Blacklisting ISPs is a good way of knocking them out of business (a.k.a restraint of trade)
o

If spam ever goes away, these organizations will also. Thus they have a vested interest in keeping spam alive (a.k.a playing both sides of the street)

Do note that the anti-spammers claim these practices are not criminal and will "reduce economic support for the 'spam friendly' ISPs". This claim is quite erroneous:

Fact: Spammer companies have far more money than most innocents.

Yep, to the tune of millions of dollars per month. SPAM is big business. Do you think that the income of one little ISP with 1000 customers is going to make any difference against the large income of a spam company? No! All that does is clear more bandwidth for the spammers to use, should the little ISP cave in and switch to another provider.

While there's no proof (that I'm aware of), it's not so far fetched to open up questions of collusion between "the providers that are anti-spam" and the "anti-spam blacklists". Certain providers, to compete, may pay the blacklist groups lots of money to keep attacking innocents, which gets them more customers in the long run as ISPs fold because they cant afford the connectivity provided by the "anti-spam supporter" providers.

I've established some things here:

1. In my opinion, blacklists are bad.
2. The anti-spammers are resorting to clearly criminal activities to further their goals: extortion, restraint-of-trade, terrorism.
3. The effect the anti-spammers are trying to have by blocking innocents only works to destroy email connectivity, the cure is worse than the disease.

This brings me to my concluding point. The original complaint against spammers included accusations of being criminal. Most spammers are considered criminal. Yet look at the anti-spammers! In their undying eternal zeal to end spam, they have become just what they oppose! Criminals and email destroyers. Gee, isn't this what they call the spammers?

The aware person realizes that fighting something only makes it stronger. Indeed, when you see two people rabidly on one side or the other, it's very hard to distinguish the two. They almost appear to be the same person, willing to commit any atrocity for the sake of their ideology or economics. What more do I need to know?

So, in a roundabout way, that's why I don't participate. I've done my days of tilting at windmills. I've presented my pearls, but the swine didn't hear any of them. They've misrepresented my position countless times for their own agendas, failed to understand even the most basic of the concepts I've explained, and twisted what I've said to make me out to be something I am not. ("Spam supporter"...lol)

I have finally realized that it has less to do with the ability to understand, it's mostly that they are not willing to understand. So in that climate I should once again venture forth into that primal never-ending argumentia that is NANA?

No. I'm sorry. I have far better things to do.
Posted by wssbill (9 comments )
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Thank you
You are someone who really understands whats going on.

Regulation, not Prohibition
Legitimate mailers respect the people they mail to as that IS the source of their income, and as such should be more than willing to comply with regulation. "Black-listers" need to do the same.
Posted by cykonetic (4 comments )
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Lately I've been getting many messages from my AVG anti-virus when I click on yahoo news stories. Has their site been compromised? The messages are in the vein of phishing, and social networking and such. I must make this clear that these are supposed yahoo news stories linked directly from their homepage.
Is anyone else having similar problems? Maybe yahoo doesn't like those of us who dislike their new m.yahoo, which I find extremely annoying. I'll never have a web-capable phone. How annoying. I do not want one. I can wait like a good boy, and check e-mail and such when I get to the convenience of my home. Besides, life needs to move slower, not faster.
And also besides, no one needs information that fast unless you are a major investor. Those are the only people who are distinguished with the phrase " the recession is near over".
My two bucks worth--inflation you know.
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