
When it comes to keeping their teen drivers safe, even privacy-wary parents may be willing to entertain the idea of a black box.
Some moms and dads are turning to Road Safety International, a Thousand Oaks, Calif., maker of onboard computer systems for vehicles such as ambulances. The company has developed a special black box aimed at making newly minted young drivers safer on the road.
"It's about real-time feedback in the vehicle when they drive outside of the safe operating envelope," Larry Selditz, Road Safety's CEO, said.
Road Safety's RS-1000, a black box that sells for $280, connects to a car's onboard electronic system and measures the car's speed, as well as its cornering and braking forces. The box emits a Geiger-counter-like tone if the driver exceeds a certain level of speed, cornering or braking. After sounding the first tone, the box emits a loud, steady alarm until the activity ceases. The box also records details such as a car's speed and delivers them in reports that can be downloaded to a PC for review by parents.
The tones sounded by the box function like an electronic driving instructor, helping to guide young drivers on the road, said Selditz, who came up with the idea when his son first started driving.
As adults, "I think we're safe drivers because of a whole bunch of near misses," Selditz said. "I feel that our job is to put (teen drivers) in a conservative space so that they have time and distance...to react."
Measures such as graduated licensing systems, which start teens off with a learner's permit, have helped reduce death rates among the youngest drivers--the number of 16-year-olds involved in fatal crashes fell by 26 percent between 1993 and 2003, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. But teenage drivers are still about four times more likely than older drivers to be involved in crashes, the IIHS says.
Still, privacy advocates, lawmakers and many parents tend to be wary of some types of black boxes. There are few regulations on how the data the boxes record can be utilized, and the information has been used against drivers in court.
Following a series of crashes in Donna Gompert's town in which teens were killed, the Southern California resident and mother of four decided to invest in an RS-1000 from Road Safety. After a short time, the box revealed that her daughter, a newly licensed 16-year-old at the time, had driven 83 mph.
"I think that was the real turning point for us," Gompert said. "It made us true believers."
Gompert has since used the RS-1000 to help her other daughters. "It will change anyone's behavior," she asserted.
Although she is aware of privacy groups' concerns about factory-installed black boxes, Gompert said safety took precedence over her privacy concerns.
"I do have mixed emotions about that--as far as an agency being able to use data without my consent--but I made an informed decision," she said.
Selditz declined to discuss the number of RS-1000s that Road Safety has sold so far. But he says the company continues to develop the device. Later this year, he added, it will come out with add-ons that can locate a vehicle.
--John G. Spooner
NHTSA's event data recorder page
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Web site of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
Accident Reconstruction Network's EDR page
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A black box for human health
By John G. Spooner
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
March 9, 2005 4:00 AM PST
As James Fitzgerald wheeled his tractor-trailer down Interstate 40 near the Nashville International Airport last summer, little did he know that a small black box aboard the truck might later help clear him of homicide charges.
His truck collided with a police car, killing an officer who had stopped to assist a disabled vehicle. Police alleged that Fitzgerald was traveling at least 80 mph at the time of the crash, and he was jailed on charges of vehicular homicide and aggravated assault.
But the 25-year-old trucker pleaded not guilty, and when his trial begins this summer, the black box will be his star witness. According to Fitzgerald's lawyer, Patrick McNally, data from the device shows that the truck was traveling at the legal limit of 70 mph.
"I think juries are much more inclined to rely upon electronic devices that measure speed than personal opinions of speed," McNally said in an interview with CNET News.com. "We live in an electronic age, and we've all learned to rely on electronic devices."
The case represents an unusual twist in the controversial use of digital information in cars. Although Fitzgerald views his truck's electronic data as a benefit, others say such technologies contribute to an increasingly Orwellian society where individuals' every move is monitored. Many are particularly galled by the notion of applying these technologies to the automobile on the open road, a symbol of American freedom that often represents a rite of passage from adolescence to adulthood.
The debate has intensified as manufacturers increasingly turn to high technology to differentiate their products in the hypercompetitive auto market. This tech trend has produced many features that have been credited with improving safety, including airbags, antilock brakes and stability control systems.
The annual death toll from car accidents fell from 43,005 in 2002 to 42,643 in 2003, according to data from the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, or NHTSA. Injuries from accidents also declined. The agency attributes the changes to more-crashworthy cars and increases in safety belt use.
Despite these operational benefits, however, critics see a dark side to the use of information about motorists derived from devices such as black boxes. Noting that many drivers are unaware that their actions are being recorded, they say rights to privacy could be violated in the absence of regulations governing how the data can be used and interpreted.
"If you were squealing your tires or not wearing your seat belt, they'll say, 'We're going to start sticking you with fines so that you won't do that anymore,'" said Eric Skrum, a spokesman for the National Motorists Association, a group that describes itself as dedicated to protecting the rights and interests of motorists.
Skrum's group, along with the Consumers Union and the Electronic Privacy Information Center, are among those calling for the establishment of rules ensuring the protection of privacy in the use of black-box data. The Consumers Union and EPIC have raised their concerns in filings to the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration.
In a June 2004 announcement, the NHTSA proposed requiring manufacturers to include information about black boxes in owners' manuals for cars equipped with the technology. Although the federal traffic agency continues to gather feedback on its latest set of black-box recommendations, it's too early to say how the input will shape the agency's final ruling, a representative said. For now, the NHTSA has left it up to the courts to decide whether to admit the data as evidence.
According to the New York Law Journal, for example, a judge allowed information from a black box to be used at the trial of two New York men charged in a collision that left two people dead. The device installed in the men's car, a 2002 Chevrolet Corvette, indicates that it was traveling at 130 mph immediately before the crash.
A few states are joining the debate. A California law that went into effect in July 2004 requires manufacturers to provide customers with information on black boxes in cars and states that the data cannot be obtained without a court order or the owner's permission.
In North Dakota, Republican state Sen. Ray Holmberg has submitted a bill that would require automakers to disclose the presence of the boxes in new cars' owners' manuals and require dealers to disclose information about them in purchase contracts. The bill would give control of data collected by black boxes to vehicle owners, stating that the data can be downloaded by someone other than the vehicle owner only if it's being used for safety research or diagnosing problems, or if it's court-ordered or needed for crash reconstructions or investigations by law enforcement. The bill would also prevent black-box data from being used in court, unless ordered by the court or allowed by participants in the proceedings.
Holmberg says he believes other state legislators will follow California and North Dakota and begin regulating how black-box data can be used.
"Once it's accepted as something under your seat, it's very easy for, I would say, do-gooders, to say, 'We want to gather more information,'" Holmberg told News.com. However, he said, "I want to make it clear that they do have legitimate purposes for safety and gathering data regarding how a car handles in an accident. I don't have any problem with that."
Various estimates show that 15 percent of the 270 million cars on the road in the United States today contain some type of data-recording device. Roughly 65 percent of the 16.7 million new cars sold in the United States during 2004 were equipped with them, said Kevin Mixer, an analyst with Boston-based market research company AMR Research.
That means the number of black boxes on U.S. roads will rise significantly as newer models are sold. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in its announcement last June recommended that manufacturers install the devices in all vehicles beginning in September 2008, though automakers are not required to do so.
General Motors has installed the most black boxes to date, although Ford has also used data recorders widely in its lines. BMW, Chrysler, Honda, Isuzu and Toyota install boxes in some models, Mixer said.
Proponents of the boxes argue that concerns over privacy are overblown. Manufacturers might want to use the data to understand how their vehicles are performing, Mixer said, but "they're not interested in the fact that Kevin has a lead foot."
Others aren't so sure. "If they were being honest about this and it was for research, they could do this through a volunteer process," said Skrum of the National Motorists Association.
From a legal perspective, McNally views black-box data as he does other evidence obtained through a search warrant or wiretap. Courts must balance the competing interests of a vehicle owner's right to privacy against an outside party's interest in knowing specific information.
"When you distill it out to its bare element," McNally said, "a person who's driven a car in a proper manner generally has no problem with someone checking the event data recorder."
worth of driving data in the black box. Anything else is designed
to invade your privacy.
Arguments of "You won't object if you have nothing to hide"
smacks in the fact of innocent until PROVEN guilty. Oh, and you
are required, by law, to provide that proof -- and pay for it.
This black box? It's here to stay. It'll never go away, and soon it'll be ilegal to drive without one. Eventually, it'll be monitored on a yearly or monthly basis and you'll be fined, or your insurance will go up, based on the data in the car.
American Freedom? What a joke! The leash grows tighter every year.
But don't worry. As long as you don't do any wrong, you have nothing to fear. Just remember, that *you* don't define right and wrong. Big brother does that.
Americans must defend their civil liberties and demand that these devices are opt-in only. Praise to the story author for calling greater attention to this trend. I'd love to see privacy advocates take it up as one of their next big issues going forward.
they cannot be disabled nor can they be removed and ford even told me that if i was able to find a way to bypass or remove it, the warranty on my f250 would be void.
I agree that there's a very fine line between gathering information to build safer cars and encroaching on personal privacy. Rather than focusing on IF these devices encroach (they do, and it will get more common, not less) let's focus on setting reasonable guidelines and standards so that consumers know what to expect. This isn't unique - how long until microwave ovens sense an RFID tag and note that the last time that item was purchased, 3 minutes was too long to cook...so it automatically reduces to 2:30.? Is this an invasion of my privacy? Where is the line?
America is no more a melting pot. More of a cesspool run and controlled by those who have fame and fortune. Not by the guy who builds your home, or the guy that cleans your drains or builds your roads.
We're heading for a time of trouble. Be prepared for the $20,000.00 Y2025 package that includes oatmeal, blankets, and cyanide pills for the whole family.
For example to be used in any type of court case it has to be by court order and only for accidents. The federal government or federal courts can't touch it and when state courts use it the information can only be kept until the case is over. We don't need a national database of car black box data.
The information can also be collected by the manufacturer of the car provided the owner agrees. By owner I mean whoever is on the title of the car (banks excluded unless they own the car for their own use. Not when people have financed through them). If two people are on the title then both have to agree. Once the owner(s) agree the information can only be used for performance analysis. They can only get statistical information and not information that links to data to a specific car (beyond model number) or owner.
The device used to collect the information from the black box must be physically attached to the black box (no wireless downloading) and for anyone other then the car manufacturer or law enforcement to own a black box downloading device it is an automatic $1 million dollar fine and 20 year federal prison term.
The black boxes need to be located inside the vehicle so that it is protected to by locked doors and security system (should the owner employ and use them).
Black box data can not be used to give speeding tickets unless the speeding caused a crash. It can't be used to give tickets for not having your seat belt on, etc. It can only be used to helf figure out who is at fault for a car crash involving other cars or pedestrians.
If all of this was done black boxes are fine with me.
Robert
once and for all. An aircraft with a black box recorder, is either
a commercially owned carrier, or military. If you are a private
aircraft owner, you're not required to have a recorder in your
plane. If you fly commercially, you have no expectation of
privacy. If you're military, you have no concept of privacy!
In my own car, where I go, or how I get there, is no one's
business as long as I'm obeying the traffic laws.
If we are indeed in a "New Age" in our society, then government better catch up with protecting our privacy before society awakens from its lethargical state of happiness.
I for one want my privacy and will fight for it. Society may appear happy and quiet, but eventually society will only take so much.
Homeland Security? Black boxes to ensure the "truth" is told. Sure, but not at my personal expense
I mean, really: if one expert can build it, another can hack it. Lawyers on both sides of these cases will have to have investigations of the equipment alongside their cases either prosecuting or defending someone on "black-box" charges.
In the end, human judgement is still human judgement. We can turn technology into the same kind of "magical thinking" that once allowed early Americans to hang a person because she failed to drown, which proved she was a "witch" (the belief being that "normal" women could not swim) So after drowning the innocent and hanging the guilty, who is left?
It's nobodys business what I do, with whom, where and when. Those are all my business as long as I'm not harming anyone else.
- Really now
- by techoguy March 9, 2005 6:26 PM PST
- I think that all we are disagreeing is the fact that we can't choose to have the black box not installed. As of right now it doesn't seem that we can (I am not too sure but it seems that way). And the government seems to want to mandate it in cars in the future.
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Showing 1 of 2 pages (126 Comments)I for one don't think that a black box is gonna make any of us drive better. It's not going to tell us how to and when to brake or steer a car. It's not going to tell or prevent someone next to us is going to surve into us or that some pedestrian is gonna run out between parked cars right into your car's path. Or stop someone who has been drinking from driving.
If you want to stop speeding then why not just limit the cars to go up to speed limits for that state. Then no one will be speeding.
I definitely would not want to be forced to have anything that monitors me installed without my knowledge or permission.