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December 12, 2005 11:45 AM PST

RIP, iPod Mini? No way, fans say

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Seems everywhere you look this holiday season, you see the iPod Nano.

The sleek little music player is making all the top tech gift lists, is featured in the major electronics retailers' circulars and continues to be one of Amazon.com's best-selling electronic gadgets.

But some consumers haven't been so quick to move away from one of last year's hot holiday gifts: the iPod Mini. Even though Apple Computer discontinued the Mini in September and replaced it with the Nano, these folks have been reluctant to take the Mini off their gift lists--and they're willing to pay top dollar to nab one.

Patrick McHenry of Erie, Pa., for example, just bought a pink 4GB Mini, which holds 1,000 songs, on eBay for $275. That's $76 over the original $199 price tag. But it's also less than McHenry would have paid at Compu-America--one of the few electronics retailers with the Mini in stock. The store is selling the same model for $349. And sellers on Amazon are listing prices for the 4GB Mini at more than $400.

So why would anyone pay so much for a Mini when they could buy the smaller and (some say) technologically superior 4GB Nano for $249, or even the new 30GB video iPod, which holds 7,500 songs, for $299?

In McHenry's case, it was to fulfill the Christmas wish of his friend's girlfriend. "She had her heart set on an iPod Mini mainly because they are discontinued, so not many people would have them," he said.

His friend's girlfriend appears to be just one of many fans of the Mini, which, unlike the Nano, comes in a 6GB version, and in a vibrant rainbow of colors: pink, blue, green, silver and gold.

In the past three months, about 36,000 Minis have sold on eBay, with the pace of sales picking up in the past couple of weeks, eBay spokesman Dean Jutilla said. As of Friday afternoon, 2,200 Mini auctions were under way on the site, he said.

The Mini has been averaging 15 to 16 bids per auction. That shows a strong demand, Jutilla added, especially when compared to the hot-ticket 4GB Nano, which is clocking in just slightly higher on eBay bids, at 18. And the average price per Mini--whether 4GB or 6GB--has gone up from $173 to $229, he added.

In living color
Compu-America sales manager Fred Rafi said he noticed a retail shortage for the Mini and last week decided to buy a bunch (he wouldn't say how many), even though he had to pay well over the retail price. He marked them up even further, and although he admits that it's kind of crazy, "people are buying them."

"I think it's because of Christmas, and a lot of people just still like the Mini."

Jeremy Horwitz, editor-in-chief of popular iPod site iLounge, said "there's no reason to prefer the iPod Mini (over the Nano) on technical specs." The Nano is faster, has better audio quality and a color screen, among other advantages, he said. So he can only guess that people are paying more for the Mini because it's now rare, comes in more colors, and, he said, is sturdier than the Nano, which has been accused of scratching easily.

"The Nano comes in black and white. Those colors aren't quite as fun," Horwitz said, adding that there also isn't a 6GB Nano, so there's no "intermediate step" for those who were ready to move up from a 4GB.

Shaw Wu, an analyst at American Technology Research, adds that the marked-up prices for Minis might simply be explained by the laws of supply and demand. "The availability of the iPod Mini appears to be limited...We saw a similar effect with the G4 Cubes when they were discontinued."

Wu said pricing might be a factor. With the introduction of the Nano, Apple upped the price for 4GB of storage by $50 to $249. The 6GB Mini cost the same as what the 4GB Nano now costs.

Apple has sold more than 28 million iPods overall since the players were introduced in October 2001, and some say the Mini, which came out in January 2004, accounted for just less than half that number.

So when the Mini was discontinued, it put accessory makers like Sonnet Technologies in a quandary. Irvine, Calif.-based Sonnet already had its PodFreq FM transmitter for the Mini in the works.

The company ended up bringing the product to market, anyway, knowing that "there are a lot of iPod owners who remain loyal to their model, regardless of the latest introductions by Apple," marketing director Christine Taylor said. "We felt that there was kind of a 'cult' surrounding the iPod Mini, and we wanted to redesign our PodFreq to attract those folks," she said, adding that the company's related slogan for add-ons is "love your iPod even longer."

Given the prices people are willing to pay for Minis, some might call it punch-drunk love, or in the following case, simply drunk love: An eBay member from the United Kingdom, who didn't want his name used for this story, recently ended paying $359.86 as the winning bidder of a blue 6GB Mini.

Why did he do it? "Errr, to be honest, I didn't know I was paying over the odds," he wrote. "I was pretty drunk when I was bidding."

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Should Apple bring back the Mini?
by Charleston Charge December 12, 2005 12:10 PM PST
Or an even more important question: who spends $300 on their friend's girlfriend???
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Very Probably
by Philips December 13, 2005 1:18 AM PST
Flash is still expensive. Portable harddrives are getting more space. I see quite good niche at about 8-10GB space for new Minis. But of course it is Apple who will decide. (IMHO, from business POV, it make no sense. But see below.)

One thing for sure: experiment with colored players went extremly well, especially with female audience appreciating color selection and well made and nice looking accesories.

I hope Apple will not disregard that fact and release colored players again. I think colored Nanos would be great hit.

P.S. Another point. From all media players I have tried, I think only Minis got the size right. It fits right to my hand. And it light and thin enough to sit well in my pockets - unlike lighter Nano you will not forget that Mini is there.
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I like my Mini.
by System Tyrant December 12, 2005 12:41 PM PST
I got one as a gift and I like it. Fits nice in the hand and looks good to boot. Personally, I don't like things that are too small. Just makes them easier to loose or break.

I say keep the Mini.
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A loose Mini?
by DiblyBibly December 12, 2005 4:39 PM PST
What do you mean by loosing?
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I got one!!!
by HappyPappy December 12, 2005 12:55 PM PST
Will sell for $1000 CD.
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I got one!!!
by HappyPappy December 12, 2005 12:55 PM PST
Will sell for $1000 CD.
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yeah!
by stmon99 December 12, 2005 1:22 PM PST
You know, I was thinking the exact same thing...!
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Coming Soon?
by j3st3r December 12, 2005 2:15 PM PST
Apple have done the Nano in black and white, yet there's obviously still a demand for coloured exteriors. Perhaps there will be an April release in time for the northern summer of the Trop-iPod. Nanos in the shades of summer, mango, berry, melon, citus and cool breeze?
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Nano verses the ipod mini
by fgmsjimh December 12, 2005 3:05 PM PST
The Nano will crack and sometimes break completely through the case. The ipods and ipod mini have a much stronger case.
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Tougher
by ajbright December 12, 2005 5:17 PM PST
I think overall the mini is much more resilient than the nano. My teenage son has a mini and I wouldn't have even considered getting him a nano if that was all that was available.
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Warranty and support...
by Mendz December 12, 2005 6:52 PM PST
"What?! Me worry?!" Yes... Buying electronic products without warranties and support is as good as throwing away your money... So just make sure you're getting them...
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I LOVE MY MINI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by idunno1 December 12, 2005 9:41 PM PST
I JUST LOVE MY MINI!!!!!!!!!!!! i dunno y.. but there is just nothing about it i dont like... some ppl say that the nano is better quality etc.. KRAP!!!!!! JUST COMPLETE LIES!!!!!!!! my friend has a nano, and the front side is full of dents and scrapes because it is plastic... just cheap plastik.. now, the mini is metal and is very durable.. all in all, GO MINI!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good Deals on Minis here
by December 13, 2005 12:31 AM PST
Hey,

I just picked up a mini for a great deal from a Mac dealer in Oregon (NO SALES TAX!) I don't know if they have any more in stock, but it's worth checking out:

http://www.ecartdeluxe.com/macpac/search.php?posted=1&stext=ipod+mini&sprice=&stype=&scat=ms99999&sortBy=&sortord=

Joey
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All Out Of Stock
by eeee December 13, 2005 5:17 AM PST
Do you work for him?!
Silly People !
by eeee December 13, 2005 5:16 AM PST
Silly People always do SIlly stupid things so why should the mini or the sschmini or the wamini kamini nbamini whateverini be any different! Pay pay pay! At least it is an American company although the things are made in other lands
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This isn't the first time...
by Christopher Hall December 13, 2005 5:44 AM PST
This isn't the first time that Apple has had a run of success, only to pick up product cycling and blow it all, damning them to obscurity for another decade or so.

Flashback to 1995. Apple has a slough of Powerbooks on the market, but Windows-based laptops are starting to eat away at the market share. Ultimately, the line as a whole is in decline. The 100 series computers have major heat issues with the new 68040s, so they go back to the drawing board and produce the 500 series. The design and technology all reflect a promising direction for the new 68040 architecture, and with a wide array of features completely unheard of elsewhere, the 500 series is poised to set Apple up for dominance of the market once again.

So if you were Apple, you'd probably play to your strengths and beef up your bottom line while annihilating the competition.

Unfortunately for Apple, Apple is Apple, so they promptly discontinued the 500 series and released the 5300 series, digging themselves into a whole from which they are likely never to recover.

As a former 540C owner, the parallels hit a little close to home for me.
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Why not buy from Apple?
by mrfearless47 December 13, 2005 9:24 AM PST
I just picked up two refurbished Minis from Apple. 4GB goes for $179, 6GB for $199 including shipping. These carry full warranties, are eligible for AppleCare, and are available (at least they were two weeks ago) in all colors, and arrive quickly (I got mine in 4 days). Why bother paying inflated eBay and Amazon prices when you can get the real thing directly from Apple?
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Shh...
by omaryak December 18, 2005 5:40 PM PST
If you keep talking I won't be able to sell mine for an inflated price!! :(
FireWire. FireWire. FireWire.
by sixsevans December 13, 2005 11:24 AM PST
How can you think you've answered the question about whay someone would want an obsolete iPod Mini without mentioning that the Mini supports FireWire, whereas the nano only supports USB2.0?????
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Firewire is not the reason.
by ss_Whiplash December 13, 2005 12:04 PM PST
Firewire is not an important feature to most people for an MP3 player. They really don't know or care that firewire is faster. And honestly, I lost my firwire cable months ago and have been perfectly happy using the USB connection. With the exception of filling the device to begin with, i think the daily transfers are so small that the speed difference doesn't matter.
It's faster, to be sure...
by Christopher Hall December 14, 2005 5:09 AM PST
But faster doesn't mean much if your standard is mostly useless. Heck, Betamax looked better than VHS, but we all know how that turned out.
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???????
by chase.carter December 13, 2005 11:55 AM PST
Standard Firewire is just as fast as USB 2.0. So lets think..........ohhh, more people have USB than Firewire. Soon a new Firewire will be released, but until then i will go with USB
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Which Is Faster?
by Ringo Akashi December 18, 2005 9:14 AM PST
USB 2.0 may be rated as "faster" than FireWire, but this simply is
not the case.

The 480MBs of USB 2.0 are a theoretical maximum that are only
achieved at burst rates. In other words. USB 2.0 sends out pulses
of data that may or may not hit the maximum throughput.
Furthermore, USB 2.0 offs more processing of the data back on
to the CPU instead of processing it in the USB controller.

Firewire, on the other hand, while it may rarely achieve its
maximum throughput, Firewire does not burst data on
throughput. Instead, Firewire sends out a more constant and
even stream of data. As a result, the overall throughput of data
is faster than USB 2.0. Furthermore, Firewire offs very little data
processing back to the CPU which also improves the "speed" at
which data flows out the port and leaves the processor time to
do more important tasks.

The issue with Firewire on Windows based PCs is that few
laptops have a Firewire port. Those laptops which do have built-
in Firewire generally have a 4-pin connector (the kind on DV
cameras) and this connector does not supply any power to the
device. Then there is Windows' ad hock hack of Firewire support.
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Hmmmm...
by ss_Whiplash December 13, 2005 12:08 PM PST
....we don't really know what the friend's girlfriend does for a living now do we?

The nano is really cool, but I think Apple should have continued with making different colors. I guess their sales prove otherwise, but I know I love my silver mini.
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RIP, IPOD MINI
by l0v3r_gr1_777 December 13, 2005 12:27 PM PST
well i had one and it wasnt as good as my reg. IPod so i just like quit using it.
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E-R-I-E, fools!
by Edenza December 14, 2005 6:41 AM PST
Unless you're trying to make some kind of bizarre statement.

Nice journalistic standards *snark*
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Fixed
by meyersm December 14, 2005 9:36 AM PST
Thank you
Mini forever!
by rdonovan66 December 14, 2005 10:32 AM PST
I felt betrayed with Apple unceremoniously dumped the Mini for the sleeker Nano. However, the Nano is just too sleek for its own good and as clumsy as I am, I'd break it in a heartbeat. I stand by the larger Mini (mine is green) and its more rugged exterior.
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FireWire
by invalidname December 14, 2005 2:40 PM PST
Steve "forgot" that not everybody has USB 2.0 when he dropped
FireWire from the Nano and the 5G iPod. That makes the mini
perfect for recipients whose Macs are more than a year or two old.

OK. He didn't forget. He wants us to buy new Macs. Again.
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yadda yadda
by ethernet76 December 15, 2005 8:19 AM PST
Actually I don't think he cares. It was nice to test out the iPod on
the macs back when they had a moving scrollwheel, but a lot of PCs
don't have 6-pin firewire.

Being that a majority of their sales goes to PC customers it makes
more sense to remove firewire support to save money than to buy
the firewire chips and ship a worthless (for most) cable.
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