AOpen unveiled a prototype of a miniature desktop computer at the Computex trade show this week in Taipei, Taiwan. The squarish metallic device, originally code-named Pandora's Box, was made through a collaboration with Intel.
I'm not a WinTel or Apple fanboy, but does anyone else out there just get depressed of the lack of originality this industry has?
Apple comes out with the iPod, so everyone else just does the same thing (small MP3 whizbang stuff). They come out with a small, square, computer so Intel does the same.
There's plenty of of that all over the place, not just Apple -> Vendor X.
Where'd all the creative folks go? I can't imagine they all work at Apple.
Sorry but Apple followed others with the iPod. They may have done it better, but they didn't have the first MP3 player.
As for design of computer products there is only so much you can do. I remember a few years ago a company came out with computers that looked like pyramids and flowers and other crap. I guess those didn't do well because they went as fast as they came.
It's not so much the lack of creativity, but the lack of bravery.
The others don't dare to take risks. Remember all the comments when the mini came out, that it would be a flop, but it wasn't. So now they want to copy the idea. It's perfect for a lot of people.
The problem with the lack of originality or bravery comes from the fact that place like Dell or IBM or Intel do things for where they think the majority of their money will come from, usually big systems for gamers and engineers, slightly less powerfull systems for business people.
Well the majority of people out there fit none of those camps and are now becoming computer users. So far, Apple is the only one to try and address their needs. In doing so it gives them opportunities to pave the way. Then the other try to follow, usually poorly. Apple has more vision and is more willing to take the risks to find the hits.
Not everything Apple has done has been a success, but instead of giving up, they come out with a success based on what they learned from their failures. The others stick their toes in the water, usually not that original but copying Apple, and when they fail they give up.
If you take out the research and development costs, there is more profit to be made. Generally speaking, of course. That is why companies like Dell do so well financially. Hurrah for companies like Apple who inovate products. Horray for companies like Dell for copying them and selling me one really cheap.
with the iPod was create the "Dial-A-Song" wheel. Other than that, they copied Creatives interface. That is why Creative owns the patent. They have prior artwork that goes back before Apple had an MP3 player.
I'm not a WinTel or Apple fanboy, but does anyone else out there just get depressed of the lack of originality this industry has?
Apple comes out with the iPod, so everyone else just does the same thing (small MP3 whizbang stuff). They come out with a small, square, computer so Intel does the same.
There's plenty of of that all over the place, not just Apple -> Vendor X.
Where'd all the creative folks go? I can't imagine they all work at Apple.
Sorry but Apple followed others with the iPod. They may have done it better, but they didn't have the first MP3 player.
As for design of computer products there is only so much you can do. I remember a few years ago a company came out with computers that looked like pyramids and flowers and other crap. I guess those didn't do well because they went as fast as they came.
It's not so much the lack of creativity, but the lack of bravery.
The others don't dare to take risks. Remember all the comments when the mini came out, that it would be a flop, but it wasn't. So now they want to copy the idea. It's perfect for a lot of people.
The problem with the lack of originality or bravery comes from the fact that place like Dell or IBM or Intel do things for where they think the majority of their money will come from, usually big systems for gamers and engineers, slightly less powerfull systems for business people.
Well the majority of people out there fit none of those camps and are now becoming computer users. So far, Apple is the only one to try and address their needs. In doing so it gives them opportunities to pave the way. Then the other try to follow, usually poorly. Apple has more vision and is more willing to take the risks to find the hits.
Not everything Apple has done has been a success, but instead of giving up, they come out with a success based on what they learned from their failures. The others stick their toes in the water, usually not that original but copying Apple, and when they fail they give up.
If you take out the research and development costs, there is more profit to be made. Generally speaking, of course. That is why companies like Dell do so well financially. Hurrah for companies like Apple who inovate products. Horray for companies like Dell for copying them and selling me one really cheap.
with the iPod was create the "Dial-A-Song" wheel. Other than that, they copied Creatives interface. That is why Creative owns the patent. They have prior artwork that goes back before Apple had an MP3 player.
I think that the industry DOES lack imagination. I mean, Apple has come out with all of these creative ideas, whether good or bad, and everyone tries to copy (with a worse user interface. Look at ANY Mp3 player versus the iPod and tell me they're anywhere close).
Why, oh why can't we get some sort of originality? And why are there PC manufacturers still supporting floppy drives? It's called a zip/jazz drive or a CD burner. For Godsake, LIVE IN THE NOW.
I think that the industry DOES lack imagination. I mean, Apple has come out with all of these creative ideas, whether good or bad, and everyone tries to copy (with a worse user interface. Look at ANY Mp3 player versus the iPod and tell me they're anywhere close).
Why, oh why can't we get some sort of originality? And why are there PC manufacturers still supporting floppy drives? It's called a zip/jazz drive or a CD burner. For Godsake, LIVE IN THE NOW.
C'mon folks! Let the truth be told. it doesn't matter what box you get, its what its running! I've seen some pretty boxes(i.e., PowerMac, Dell 8500, & Mac Mini), some nightmare boxes, (i.e. Alienware & Cyberpower gamer Ultra SLI PRO). Its horrible that good designs are running XP! Now it seems that the copycats are at it again! Now, they are copying the Mini! it won't work as well, though. It doesn't have OS X. That's enough for me NOT to buy one.
This was shown a few months ago. It looked like a cheap balsa wood prottype knock off of the Mac Mini then and it still does or are there newer pictures?
C'mon folks! Let the truth be told. it doesn't matter what box you get, its what its running! I've seen some pretty boxes(i.e., PowerMac, Dell 8500, & Mac Mini), some nightmare boxes, (i.e. Alienware & Cyberpower gamer Ultra SLI PRO). Its horrible that good designs are running XP! Now it seems that the copycats are at it again! Now, they are copying the Mini! it won't work as well, though. It doesn't have OS X. That's enough for me NOT to buy one.
This was shown a few months ago. It looked like a cheap balsa wood prottype knock off of the Mac Mini then and it still does or are there newer pictures?
It's not about originality, it's about who comes up with the better design. Small PCs have been around for years, but Apple brought it to us in a nice, pretty package. You all didn't think the PCers were going to sit around and do nothing did you? If there's a market for it, other companies will follow. In order to beat the Mac Mini, they need to make it in more colors like a Gameboy and give it better and faster hardware.
It's not about originality, it's about who comes up with the better design. Small PCs have been around for years, but Apple brought it to us in a nice, pretty package. You all didn't think the PCers were going to sit around and do nothing did you? If there's a market for it, other companies will follow. In order to beat the Mac Mini, they need to make it in more colors like a Gameboy and give it better and faster hardware.
It will now be interesting to see what the price will be for such a gadget and then compare it to the performance and software bundle found on the Mini. It seems to be recognized, despite all the PC pundits' claims that the Mini's price is not competitive, that the Mini's price-to-performance ratio is a benchmark to surpase.
It will now be interesting to see what the price will be for such a gadget and then compare it to the performance and software bundle found on the Mini. It seems to be recognized, despite all the PC pundits' claims that the Mini's price is not competitive, that the Mini's price-to-performance ratio is a benchmark to surpase.
Do you buy a PC beacuse it's pretty or because it will help you accomplish whatever tasks you want to do? I guess the Mac people would claim that they have it both ways: a pretty PC that has a better OS and apps. If that's the case then why be worried about an ugly PC that may be running Windows? Doesn't seem like a much of a threat to a Mac user.
Do you buy a PC beacuse it's pretty or because it will help you accomplish whatever tasks you want to do? I guess the Mac people would claim that they have it both ways: a pretty PC that has a better OS and apps. If that's the case then why be worried about an ugly PC that may be running Windows? Doesn't seem like a much of a threat to a Mac user.
Just look 2/3 years ago when apple iPod came out 'borrow' the design from Creative 6Gb HDD mp3player uses 4XAA battery! now iPod is no#1..... Than 10years ago Palm came out with world 2nd PDA after Newton than Window CE was never known ....Now PocketPC copy again from Palm&Newton was Apple design .... Now 6"CPU box copy from Mac Mini .... Will next Microsoft OS copy the Tiger since 1985 Microsoft have copy almost 90% all of Apple GUI(icon) ... In the end we can say Wintel world can ONLY copy&can't design...
If it were straight up copying, Windows and Mac OS would have equal market shares. The fact that Windows is used by more than 90% of the computing world makes it the clear market leader. The fact that the Mini didn't budge this market share much at all means that there's a niche out there being left open, which this box will probably fill.
Cry foul all you want, but if Apple had the better product, they'd lead the market.
Just look 2/3 years ago when apple iPod came out 'borrow' the design from Creative 6Gb HDD mp3player uses 4XAA battery! now iPod is no#1..... Than 10years ago Palm came out with world 2nd PDA after Newton than Window CE was never known ....Now PocketPC copy again from Palm&Newton was Apple design .... Now 6"CPU box copy from Mac Mini .... Will next Microsoft OS copy the Tiger since 1985 Microsoft have copy almost 90% all of Apple GUI(icon) ... In the end we can say Wintel world can ONLY copy&can't design...
If it were straight up copying, Windows and Mac OS would have equal market shares. The fact that Windows is used by more than 90% of the computing world makes it the clear market leader. The fact that the Mini didn't budge this market share much at all means that there's a niche out there being left open, which this box will probably fill.
Cry foul all you want, but if Apple had the better product, they'd lead the market.
And it's good for the economy. If Apple had no competition, there would be only one model of the iPod, and it would cost $700. As competitors enter the market Apple reduces it's prices and releases more affordable models like the "Mini" and the "Shuffle". Why complain?
And it's good for the economy. If Apple had no competition, there would be only one model of the iPod, and it would cost $700. As competitors enter the market Apple reduces it's prices and releases more affordable models like the "Mini" and the "Shuffle". Why complain?
Well if you really wanted to get technical there is a company that has been around for years. If you want to see a small form factor computer take a look at this: <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.cybernetman.com/default.cfm?DocId=616" target="_newWindow">http://www.cybernetman.com/default.cfm?DocId=616</a> they have been around for 10 plus years and have been making Keyboard size computers for quite some time. I think we all just need to get off of our high horses and realize that this has been in the works for many many years.
anybody remember the Ergo Brick from back in the 386 days like 1993 or so. It was about the size of a System 36 manual. They even made a 486 version, the Pentium ran way to hot to be used in them, but they were an fantasic machine for the time.
Well if you really wanted to get technical there is a company that has been around for years. If you want to see a small form factor computer take a look at this: <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.cybernetman.com/default.cfm?DocId=616" target="_newWindow">http://www.cybernetman.com/default.cfm?DocId=616</a> they have been around for 10 plus years and have been making Keyboard size computers for quite some time. I think we all just need to get off of our high horses and realize that this has been in the works for many many years.
anybody remember the Ergo Brick from back in the 386 days like 1993 or so. It was about the size of a System 36 manual. They even made a 486 version, the Pentium ran way to hot to be used in them, but they were an fantasic machine for the time.
If anyone cannot figure out what ypoc stac is, it means "Copy Cats"...I purposely encoded the message to make sure Intel does not copy my idea also...What nerve, what integrity....what a disgrace and an insult to innovation
If anyone cannot figure out what ypoc stac is, it means "Copy Cats"...I purposely encoded the message to make sure Intel does not copy my idea also...What nerve, what integrity....what a disgrace and an insult to innovation
Apple has driven the engine of computers easy to use. Apple has NOT always done things for maximum profit and they have over the years paid a price for it. Yet look at the elegance and ease of use of OSX. Look at PC users with one-year old laptops that have always run hot, and now need a new hard drive. In a very real sense, Apple represents the best in American ingenuity and spirit. It's just true;....
Apple has driven the engine of computers easy to use. Apple has NOT always done things for maximum profit and they have over the years paid a price for it. Yet look at the elegance and ease of use of OSX. Look at PC users with one-year old laptops that have always run hot, and now need a new hard drive. In a very real sense, Apple represents the best in American ingenuity and spirit. It's just true;....
just get depressed of the lack of originality this industry has?
Apple comes out with the iPod, so everyone else just does the
same thing (small MP3 whizbang stuff). They come out with a
small, square, computer so Intel does the same.
There's plenty of of that all over the place, not just Apple ->
Vendor X.
Where'd all the creative folks go? I can't imagine they all work at
Apple.
As for design of computer products there is only so much you can do. I remember a few years ago a company came out with computers that looked like pyramids and flowers and other crap. I guess those didn't do well because they went as fast as they came.
Robert
The others don't dare to take risks. Remember all the comments when the mini came out, that it would be a flop, but it wasn't. So now they want to copy the idea. It's perfect for a lot of people.
The problem with the lack of originality or bravery comes from the fact that place like Dell or IBM or Intel do things for where they think the majority of their money will come from, usually big systems for gamers and engineers, slightly less powerfull systems for business people.
Well the majority of people out there fit none of those camps and are now becoming computer users. So far, Apple is the only one to try and address their needs. In doing so it gives them opportunities to pave the way. Then the other try to follow, usually poorly. Apple has more vision and is more willing to take the risks to find the hits.
Not everything Apple has done has been a success, but instead of giving up, they come out with a success based on what they learned from their failures. The others stick their toes in the water, usually not that original but copying Apple, and when they fail they give up.
just get depressed of the lack of originality this industry has?
Apple comes out with the iPod, so everyone else just does the
same thing (small MP3 whizbang stuff). They come out with a
small, square, computer so Intel does the same.
There's plenty of of that all over the place, not just Apple ->
Vendor X.
Where'd all the creative folks go? I can't imagine they all work at
Apple.
As for design of computer products there is only so much you can do. I remember a few years ago a company came out with computers that looked like pyramids and flowers and other crap. I guess those didn't do well because they went as fast as they came.
Robert
The others don't dare to take risks. Remember all the comments when the mini came out, that it would be a flop, but it wasn't. So now they want to copy the idea. It's perfect for a lot of people.
The problem with the lack of originality or bravery comes from the fact that place like Dell or IBM or Intel do things for where they think the majority of their money will come from, usually big systems for gamers and engineers, slightly less powerfull systems for business people.
Well the majority of people out there fit none of those camps and are now becoming computer users. So far, Apple is the only one to try and address their needs. In doing so it gives them opportunities to pave the way. Then the other try to follow, usually poorly. Apple has more vision and is more willing to take the risks to find the hits.
Not everything Apple has done has been a success, but instead of giving up, they come out with a success based on what they learned from their failures. The others stick their toes in the water, usually not that original but copying Apple, and when they fail they give up.
Why, oh why can't we get some sort of originality? And why are there PC manufacturers still supporting floppy drives? It's called a zip/jazz drive or a CD burner. For Godsake, LIVE IN THE NOW.
Why, oh why can't we get some sort of originality? And why are there PC manufacturers still supporting floppy drives? It's called a zip/jazz drive or a CD burner. For Godsake, LIVE IN THE NOW.
balsa wood prottype knock off of the Mac Mini then and it
still does or are there newer pictures?
balsa wood prottype knock off of the Mac Mini then and it
still does or are there newer pictures?
gadget and then compare it to the performance and software
bundle found on the Mini. It seems to be recognized, despite all
the PC pundits' claims that the Mini's price is not competitive,
that the Mini's price-to-performance ratio is a benchmark to
surpase.
gadget and then compare it to the performance and software
bundle found on the Mini. It seems to be recognized, despite all
the PC pundits' claims that the Mini's price is not competitive,
that the Mini's price-to-performance ratio is a benchmark to
surpase.
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://news.com.com/Photos+Concept+PC+pays+homage+to+Mac+Mini/2009-1042_3-5726612.html" target="_newWindow">http://news.com.com/Photos+Concept+PC+pays+homage+to+Mac+Mini/2009-1042_3-5726612.html</a>
The mini
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://i.askask.com/2005/01/mini.jpg" target="_newWindow">http://i.askask.com/2005/01/mini.jpg</a>
The Intel looks a little shorter but wider. Other than the inscribed lines it looks like a small box that the mini looks like.
I don't see how you can call it ugly when it is close to the mini which I assume you think is pretty.
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://news.com.com/Photos+Concept+PC+pays+homage+to+Mac+Mini/2009-1042_3-5726612.html" target="_newWindow">http://news.com.com/Photos+Concept+PC+pays+homage+to+Mac+Mini/2009-1042_3-5726612.html</a>
The mini
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://i.askask.com/2005/01/mini.jpg" target="_newWindow">http://i.askask.com/2005/01/mini.jpg</a>
The Intel looks a little shorter but wider. Other than the inscribed lines it looks like a small box that the mini looks like.
I don't see how you can call it ugly when it is close to the mini which I assume you think is pretty.
design from Creative 6Gb HDD mp3player uses 4XAA battery!
now iPod is no#1.....
Than 10years ago Palm came out with world 2nd PDA after
Newton than Window CE was never known ....Now PocketPC copy
again from Palm&Newton was Apple design ....
Now 6"CPU box copy from Mac Mini ....
Will next Microsoft OS copy the Tiger since 1985 Microsoft have
copy almost 90% all of Apple GUI(icon) ...
In the end we can say Wintel world can ONLY copy&can't
design...
Cry foul all you want, but if Apple had the better product, they'd lead the market.
design from Creative 6Gb HDD mp3player uses 4XAA battery!
now iPod is no#1.....
Than 10years ago Palm came out with world 2nd PDA after
Newton than Window CE was never known ....Now PocketPC copy
again from Palm&Newton was Apple design ....
Now 6"CPU box copy from Mac Mini ....
Will next Microsoft OS copy the Tiger since 1985 Microsoft have
copy almost 90% all of Apple GUI(icon) ...
In the end we can say Wintel world can ONLY copy&can't
design...
Cry foul all you want, but if Apple had the better product, they'd lead the market.
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.xbrick.com/index.html" target="_newWindow">http://www.xbrick.com/index.html</a>
Ahh, the good ole days...
HERESY! ;)
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.xbrick.com/index.html" target="_newWindow">http://www.xbrick.com/index.html</a>
Ahh, the good ole days...
HERESY! ;)
a mac running OS X...period...Yet.
So Intel folded up a lap top in an attempt to mimic a MAC....ok.
But its the OS Stupid that is driving us formerly loyal Wintel
users to the MAC.
Its stable as a ROCK. BTW
Had it about two months now ;-)
a mac running OS X...period...Yet.
So Intel folded up a lap top in an attempt to mimic a MAC....ok.
But its the OS Stupid that is driving us formerly loyal Wintel
users to the MAC.
Its stable as a ROCK. BTW
Had it about two months now ;-)
Cats"...I purposely encoded the message to make sure Intel does
not copy my idea also...What nerve, what
integrity....what a disgrace and an insult to innovation
Cats"...I purposely encoded the message to make sure Intel does
not copy my idea also...What nerve, what
integrity....what a disgrace and an insult to innovation
has NOT always done things for maximum profit and they have
over the years paid a price for it. Yet look at the elegance and
ease of use of OSX. Look at PC users with one-year old laptops
that have always run hot, and now need a new hard drive. In a
very real sense, Apple represents the best in American ingenuity
and spirit. It's just true;....
has NOT always done things for maximum profit and they have
over the years paid a price for it. Yet look at the elegance and
ease of use of OSX. Look at PC users with one-year old laptops
that have always run hot, and now need a new hard drive. In a
very real sense, Apple represents the best in American ingenuity
and spirit. It's just true;....
please send me more. Thanx!
- Justin