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Scanners search through clothing

Millimeter wave technology from security specialist Qinetiq is designed to detect not just metal but other threats, like ceramic knives and hidden drugs.

Credit: Qinetiq

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Just make sure...
by Bob_Barker May 24, 2005 9:30 AM PDT
Just make sure you face the 'camera' and give it a good shakin' for em!

I got a weapon of mass destruction for ya right here TSA!
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X RAY
by May 26, 2005 4:47 AM PDT
INSTALL IMMEDIATELY
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Did anybody consider...
by May 27, 2005 3:21 AM PDT
... that it would be basically impossible for Muslim Women to go through that screening? At least not w/o feeling absolutely insulted. And not to speak about the feelings of their men, fathers and brothers...
Same holds certainly for other religions and cultures.
This will do much more harm than good...

And it won't help: how many terrorists have been cought by metal detectors? More: how many haven't? Why should that be ANY different with ANY other technique? Terrorism cannot really defied technically - its a social, cultural and political problem.

Andre
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Freedom is no more
by May 27, 2005 5:20 AM PDT
It is amazing that through everything this country was founded on, all the hard work done by so many through the years, is so easily surrendered.

I bet if you showed up at the airport naked, you wouldn't even make it to the gate before being arrested. But if someone is getting paid to see you naked it's ok.....wait, isn't that sort of like prostitution? I know that may sound extreme, but think about it.

I will gladly take the 1 in 500 million chance of something bad happening on a plane then to hand over my freedom. Maybe it's time to move to a free country like Canada.
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X-Ray Spex?
by OldhaMedia May 27, 2005 6:30 AM PDT
One maker of backscatters is Rapiscan Security Products, a unit
of OSI Systems. "Since the Russian plane tragedy, which is
suspected due to suicide bombers, the interest has heightened
for these needs, especially for the body scanner," Deepak
Chopra, the chief executive of OSI Systems, recently told
analysts.

Deepak Chopra??? Man, he's getting desperate.
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You're all screaming about privacy.
by May 27, 2005 9:09 AM PDT
Great, give up the privacy, let's bypass that argument.

What are you folks going to do when pictures of five to nine year old girls and boys begin appearing on the Internet from systems like these? Should we exclude those children from this system? Then they'll start pushing the bombs into these kids bodies.

Oh wait, this system doesn't catch anything ingested. So what do we do with the guys who swallow various items in a condom and them regurgitate those items in the bathroom?

Perhaps those items could also be stored in the anal cavity and blocked with a plug of some sort until the terrorist is ready for their release?

Is your answer for everyone - including small children - to undergo cavity searches, pass through a metal detector, pose nude in front of security guards, and to be forced to regurgitate the contents of their stomach? That's what they do when you're being admitted to prison, I'll admit, but all that .. for a plane ride?

You suggest that we use female guards for women, male guards for men. Funny. This doesn't take into account the sexuality of the people - it stereotypes them. So a lesbian female peering at another female is okay, but a male isn't?

You all willingly give up your civil liberties for a moment's peace of mind; a moment that isn't even a true peace of mind. Of the terrorist attacks that have occurred how many have had accomplices? How many items have been smuggled onboard by the pilots, stewardesses, repair mechanics, etc., that don't have to undergo such intensive scrutinies?

Should we force them to undergo those same scrutinies? That'll be one more fact they have in their favor when they ask for a raise and the airlines come begging to the United States government for another handout comprised of my tax dollars while their executives rake in millions.

The individuals responsible for September 11 could just as easily have taken bombs and munitions up to the top of the towers and inflicted the same type of damage. Should we remove all explosives and possible explosives from the shelves and public access?

Perhaps we should screen all those who enter a public or open to the public building as we do when they jump on an airplane?

The funny thing is that the comments about Muslim men are right on target. Instead of the government recognizing that these men are the ones to look out for we've outlawed "stereotyping" -- it's not "politically correct" to look at past facts and draw conclusions anymore. A black man in an all white city and a crime was just committed? He's driving a car that was seen in the area? We pull him over, the government gets sued -- wha? I'm sorry, look at the past facts - if Muslims are responsible for 99% of the terrorist attacks in the world then place THEM under more scrutiny.

Disclaimer: I don't fly anymore after five years of flying twice a day because after September 11 *I* was searched (strip searched in many cases), harassed, and otherwise delayed. I had my medicine confiscated three times (insulin) because I carried only the bottles, not the boxes they were given to me in (with the prescriptions on the outside). $600.00 in medicine taken because "it could be a dangerous agent." Uh, yea.

The airlines can flounder and die. And those of you who're willing to give up your civil liberties for reasons like this need to examine history, specifically, Germany prior to World War II.
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FASCIST AMERICA
by May 27, 2005 9:46 AM PDT
We are now going to be visually invaded by our government. Now we have no freedom of speech unless it's in "free speech zones". We can't say anything against the government or we become the enemy.

Does anybody recognize this America anymore? What is the "war on terror" anyway. More like a war on all our civil liberties.
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Freedom or Security??
by May 27, 2005 10:03 AM PDT
One of our founding fathers, a great genius of a man once said "Those willing to sacrifice essential freedom for security deserve neither" - Benjamin Franklin. I am utterly astounded by the people who say that they are ok with their wives and daughters being violated so he can feel safe on a plane. You wanna know what would make me feel safe on a plane? If all the law abiding citizens of the country were allowed to carry guns on the plane to defend themselves and others. The majority of people who have guns know how to use them properly and will never use them for injuring another person. So if 20 people on a plane that were honest citizens had guns, and mabye one terrorist (if he was stupid enough to even try hijacking a plane with 20 guns pointed at him) had a boxcutter (yes that is what they used to hijack 4 planes, sad that a hundred people on a plane couldn't fight against a man with a boxcutter) and attempted to hijack the plane, someone would take him down. Without the loss of thousands of innocent lives. If the pilots had guns to stop him, when he came into the cockpit. He would have been stopped immeaditly. Terrorists are not stupid. They will not attack where their victims can fight back. Hmmm where is the safest place to be for a terrorist where it is guarenteed that noone around has any kind of weapon to defend themselves with? Oh that's right the airport where you get swiss army knives confiscated and have to pass through metal dectectors guaranting for the terrorist that no law abiding citizen on the plane will be able to defend them selves. Outlawing weapons like knives and guns ONLY take the guns and knives out of the hands that will only use them for self defense. A criminal does not care that the weapon he has is illegal, he already has intent to break the law! It does not make it any harder for a criminal to obtain weapons just because theyre illegal. Drugs are illegal, how long does it take a 13 year old to go find drugs? 5 minutes. How long does it take a criminal to go find a gun? 5 minutes. DO NOT take away my freedoms because there are some out there that can't handle theirs. Lock them up and take away their freedoms. Don't waste time harrasing law abiding citizens about the swiss army knife they forgot to leave at home when you can be spending the time arresting the real criminals. Violation of your rights is not security, it only makes the world so much more dangerous for you because the government says you aren't capable of defending yourself. Like I've been saying since I was 2 "Damn Gov'ment!!"
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Privacy? Ha!
by May 27, 2005 10:23 AM PDT
I'd rather have this "oh, so sexy!" image of me seen by the local
Barney Fife than to get felt up and frisked. I think this is a better
alternative.

If I start seeing "Airport Screener Porn" shots posted, I'd be more
worried about the fetish than the source.
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it is thet human body!!!
by May 27, 2005 1:10 PM PDT
Get over it! You have seen yourself and probably others naked in your lifetime. It is not used for any sexual proclivity just for security reasons. I am sure nothing will ever get leaked to the interenet like let's see...social security numbers, medical records, bank account numbers and all the likes...It is just a human body, the Maker made it don't be ashamed of it.

Fly safe and leave the PA's at home,
James
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I'd rather live
by May 27, 2005 1:28 PM PDT
SOOOOOOOO what? I know civil liberties and everything but terrorism is real, if it was your wife or children on a plane wouldn't you want everone screened as good as possible? I'm sure there will be a law suit or two about a hidden vibrator (as before) or something, maybe even a comment about a someones manhood, or lack of it, but who cares I want to live and fly safe even if it means a little less privacy. If you don't like it...take a bus
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Freedom to Live Trumps All!
by May 27, 2005 1:45 PM PDT
I have read 56 different comments to this story. The opinions against the technology seem to boil down to is this:

1. It is offensive to be viewed naked.
2. Being viewed naked is an affront to personal freedom.
3. This is a slippery slope and once allowed here it will be allowed everywhere until there are virtually no personal freedoms left.

The opinions for the technology seem to boil down to is this:

1. Who cares if one is viewed naked?
2. It is better to be seen naked and alive than be dead.
3. This will make the airplanes safer.
4. This is a less obtrusive way to search passengers.


I have to agree - for the most part - with the latter. Here is why:

1. In the demonstration I saw, the screeners could not see the people - all they could see were the images. Therefore, they never saw a person walk up, through and then leave. The point is that if their own mother walked through, they would have no idea since you can't tell who it is.

2. Nobody else can see your image other than the security operator. That includes other passengers and employees of the airports.

3. This is much less obtrusive than removing shoes, clothing and emptying out all of your pockets - in front of everyone.

4. The fundamental liberty is the right to life. One's right to live trumps others rights.

5. It is not only the liberty of the passengers and crew that must be considered here. It is their lives as-well-as the lives of all the people on the ground as that airplane flies over. Additionally, it is the nation's and even the world's economy and peace that must be considered. Remember what 9/11 did to the economy and the peace in the world?

6. Air travel is not a required means of travel. You can use other public transportation. You can travel by car or even by boat. Air travel is a convenience - and a choice. When you buy your ticket, you agree to be bound by their rules and policies.

7. For the person who quoted Benjamin Franklin - get your quote correct. It is "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." IMHO, this technology does not cause you to give up any ESSENTIAL liberty and there is nothing TEMPORARY about DEATH!
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I can't believe...
by Filip Remplakowski May 27, 2005 2:17 PM PDT
-what I have read in some of the posts on here. It seems like all
muslims are conspiring to destroy america. I can't believe this is
coming out of "educated" people. how can you even represent
your country, your people, in this way, shame on you!

-There are some people out there that don't mind parading
naked infront of people, but there are those who prefer to keep
their bodies private. that should be respected.

-Terrorist threats are rare for the average person. I'm sitting in
my room and oh my god i'm gonna have a plane fly through my
window any minute. my electrical outlet is a terrorist threat, it's
threatening the earth as of this moment.

-I bet those people commenting on countries like china and
canada have never been there (except for one), get off your fat
***** and go see them and then you can talk.

-as for these images going on the net, yes they will get there
without doubt, not only that but they will be stored in a
database for future reference.

At 21 I shouldn't be lecturing people about their behaviour.
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I'd like America to remain free like it's always been
by May 27, 2005 2:18 PM PDT
If you want to live some place more fascist, why don't YOU move?
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Fly Nakkid
by May 27, 2005 3:23 PM PDT
I don't see why we have to spend all that money for machines to see through clothes. Just make everone fly "nakkid." Now, I'll admit that some of us have bodies that might be considered "terror," but my idea would sure make interesting flights.
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body scan
by May 27, 2005 6:33 PM PDT
While real men don't fly, some people must. The scanner is a short term solution, although defeating it would be comparatively simple. [No, I won't tell you how!]
The ultimate resolution is to hunt down everyone who advocates killing Americans and kill them and their teachers and their families first. Eventually they will get the idea and then we can all fly again, worried only about maintenance and pilotage goofs.
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Unnecessary evils
by May 27, 2005 8:39 PM PDT
The subject applies to both the proliferation of technologies such as these and the blatant ignorance of the majority of the American populace, cowed into submission by the acts of a maniacal government. "All Muslims should get out"? "All Muslims are terrorists"? "Move to France, we saved their ***** in World War II"? Stop living in the Stone Age. The time for isolationaism and racially-motivated determinations of evil ended around seven hundred years ago, at the last Crusade.

It is the arrogance of those same isolationists that pissed off the terrorists to begin with. (Which, before you read that incorrectly, as you no doubt will, is not justification. Nor is it saying "We deserved it." Simply a discussion of the reason why it happened. But it's so much easier just to say they hate us and they'll do it anyway, isn't it? So much easier because then we don't have to change anything about the way we behave in the world!)

Before you tell me to move to some other country if I don't like it, take the briefest of moments to think about the screeds you're typing. You don't get to decide for everyone. America, remember? The Constitution establishes democracy, which means no one is any better or any worse (after the 19th Amendment) than anyone else. You're merely the Caucasian mirror-image of a Muslim extremist yourself. "Everyone else should give up their freedoms because I don't care about mine! Anyone who disagrees with me can move!" Well, Sherlock, that's not how it works. We all have to agree. And we if don't agree, you can't just rewrite the rules so your mindless conservative paranoia and rubber-stamped Republicanism triumph anyhow.

Let me guess. Back in the 1850s you were the kind of person that argued African-Americans were biologically incapable of learning to read, because the vast majority of African-Americans (slaves, remember?) couldn't read. Nevermind they weren't allowed to learn to read. It was a justification for marginalizing an ethnicity. Like the anti-Semitic ravings of Nazi Germany, or the anti-Muslim ravings of 1300s Europe, which we've apparently resurrected today, because after all, good hatred never dies, does it?
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Proud to be an American
by May 28, 2005 12:39 AM PDT
I have read all the comments, on this subject and even commented a few times...Some of you remind me how proud I am to be an American. I'm not moving because I don't think anyone should have to go through a X-ray to show their bodies, and I surley don't believe any child should have to go through this. I on the other hand do believe that all people are created equal-if their black, white, brown, pink and purple with yellow poke-a-dots. Their is bad in all countries as well as good in all countries-I am NOT nieve. We have some pretty bad folks here. But I still love my country and am not willing to move. But because we have some bad folks doesn't mean that all are bad for we have some pretty good folks here also. I did notice a few of you had to make this subject rather nasty-but for the most there was alot of good points made for both sides to this subject. I do believe we have started giving up alot after 9-11. I don't know if anyone remembers but if airport suricty had beed doing their jobs the box knife would have never made it on the airplane. The airports reported after this happened that they had low staff and that screening wasn't always done, even after it hapened they didn't do as the goverment had told them, and I watched on the news how they had let items go through to the planes without being checked then the goverment really clamped down. I agree with checking and having air marshells on board but don't infrig on my privaty and I should be able to fly and still have my privaty in tack. I am concerned that this is just another something to head towards very little freedom and yes flying is choice, but whats next. Maybe the goverment can check our homes at random.......Be honest and look at what we have lost as of 9-11, and we are still loosing daily..Next we have a national ID...It makes me sad for I can remember when my rights were not subject to the government as long as I was not breaking the laws. And as an America I respect all your ideas for we all have that right
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Why are you ashamed?
by May 28, 2005 8:14 AM PDT
We were born without clothes, were we not? We are the ONLY animal that wears clothes...the ONLY one!! We originally started wearing clothes, NOT because of modesty...but because we were cold. After years of evolution we lost our fur (hair) and therefore we needing clothing for heat. After wearing clothing for awhile, we started becoming modest. We didn't used to be modest creatures. We were like other animals that walk around without clothing and without shame.
Get over your body, and get over yourself. Your hang-ups are not worth compromising my safety. You really have that many hang-ups about your body, maybe you shouldn't fly.
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All this talk of freedom??
by May 28, 2005 8:41 AM PDT
What is freedom? And how are we losing freedom with these scanners? How? Visit a nudist colony to see what true freedom is. You were born without clothes. Were you not? We only started wearing clothes after many thousands of years of evolution. Before then, we were like all other animals, we walked around naked. Granted we had more fur (hair) to stay warm. After losing all that hair, we were cold, therefore we started making clothes. Then all of a sudden, we become so modest. Yeah right! It's all in your heads. Get over your false modesty and all your hang-ups. Our security is much more important than that. And clothing has nothing to do with freedom. As far as I am concerned, everyone should fly naked if it will make us safer.
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