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Perhaps the best example of this is the controversial video called "Hadji Girl." The clip shows Joshua Belile, a U.S. Marine stationed in Iraq, singing a song about falling in love with an Iraqi girl before being ambushed by her family and being forced to kill them. Belile has reportedly said the song was meant as a dark joke but it enraged many Muslims.
There are countless videos that feature American weaponry. They often follow the same pattern: heavy-metal music plays while U.S. troops kick down doors or blast away with machine guns. Guns fire from a helicopter to pulverize a suspected insurgent position in Mosul, according to the text of one video. Another clip shows American servicemen watching insurgents on infrared cameras before gunning them down. There's the video titled "Iraq Airstrike" that appears to be taken by U.S. troops confronting an insurgent position. A bomb explodes on a building and the voices in the background whoop it up.
"Sucks to be your a--," one of the voices says. "See you in hell, dog. See you in hell."
A spokesman for U.S. Central Command said it does not have an official position on soldiers posting video clips to the Web as long as the images don't violate operational security. That means that a soldier can post a video as long as the content doesn't give away vital secrets, such as a unit's geographical position or troop strength.
"The military mission is supposed to be about rebuilding and peace," Snow said. "Some of those videos send messages that conflict with that."
But anyone blaming Web sites for hosting the material or who accuses them of aiding the enemy is misguided, said Hayden Hewitt, co-owner of Ogrish.com, a Web site that specializes in offering some of the bloodiest images on the Internet.
On Ogrish, scenes of Americans as well as insurgents being killed are available.
"We don't choose to take sides in any conflict," Hewitt said. "We show an un-sugarcoated view of war and one we think people should see. How can people make informed decisions about what's happening without seeing what's really going on?"
Hewitt said he expects video sites to emerge as unbiased information centers. People interested in learning about a conflict can log on to these sites to determine for themselves which side is telling the truth.
No longer, Hewitt said, will people rely only on their government or the media to tell them.
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Obviously a pufferfish approach to make a little support seem a lot bigger than it really is.
"Today's conflicts are won by public opinion.
Now is the time to be active and voice Israel's side to the world. 1. Download and install Megaphone desktop tool, 2. Receive desktop alerts on key articles and surveys, 3.Click alerts to easily voice your opinion"
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://giyus.org" target="_newWindow">http://giyus.org</a>
It even translates polls into English French Hebrew and Spanish, so that visitors in foreign languages can handily vote for Israel without understanding the foreign language article. Nice.
But it also gives the game away, because the kidnapping of the two soldiers was on 12th July, but the blog has an empty folder from June 2006.
Look at the right side here.
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://blog.giyus.org/" target="_newWindow">http://blog.giyus.org/</a>
"Today's conflicts are won by public opinion."
Nah, surely they mean that next months planned conflict is won by public opinion.
Now the fact that you have thrown in a completely irrelevant website makes me wonder about your bias in the matter. However I would like to thank you for wasting precious seconds of my life (the time it took to realise that you are an idiot).
"Obviously a pufferfish approach to make a little support seem a lot bigger than it really is."
- And the fact that a service that allows people to keep up with current events about a topic they are interested in must be those damn jews spreading their lies to the world again?
I wasn't going to post this because I could think of better things to do with my time, scratching myself for instance, but i decided against it. Turns out scratching mosquito bites just makes things worse.
Let's see if scratching this mosquite bite helps...
>Nah, surely they mean that next months planned conflict is won
>by public opinion.
Exactly.
If you are suprised by a July 12th 'kidnapping' of your side's soldiers and wish to show support for your side, the work would have started *after* July 12th and there would be no June folder -> strong indication of preplanned attack.
Likewise the polls attached to foreign language articles, they have no way of reading the article and hence are not voting in response to the article.
I feel strongly that Israel should be paying the $230m war reparations, not USA. Yet Bush has committed USA to paying both Lebanons and Israels rebuilding costs. At the very least he could deduct it from the billions you send Israel each year.
It also requires seeing both sides of the story, and using critical reasoning skills to discover the truth in the middle (something else that seems to be utterly lacking in the media - whether it be institutional bias or the lust for drama --facts be damned-- I'll never be able to accurately guess).
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views "Propaganda" and Well the German Goverment found a way to combat it.
Ogrish for example...."YOU ARE VERBOTEN" to get to that site,PERIOD! Now I am for the American cause of bringing down terrorist,and bringing freedom to a
war ravished region.But dont cut down on my freedom
to choose what I want to read or watch without causing anybody harm.
this is a war on us.. liberal minded netizens.. support the troops!! the ones that fight for you!!
information they are exposed to everyday.
The program's budget was cut, the course is no longer available.
I think oneof the most important thiings to realize about these
videos is CONTEXT.
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The "chimperor" sounds like something that you would hear Russ Feingold or Howard Dean say, or perhaps Al Zarqawi or Bin Laden...
Well, I say bring forth the voices of terrorists and extreme liberals. If we KNOW the hatred of our enemies, we will be more successful in crushing our enemies.
The far right spreads what? Anyone? Anyone! That's right, the same thing!
It is just all so sick. Wake up.
Dianne
As they say:
"Today's conflicts are won by public opinion.
Now is the time to be active and voice Israel's side to the world."
Except here's the page showing that the blog had had entries from June. It looked like a slipup to me, as though they had been working on it a month earlier and remembered to delete the test messages but not the folders they were in.
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://nigeljohnstone.com/images/june-screenshot.gif" target="_newWindow">http://nigeljohnstone.com/images/june-screenshot.gif</a>
Here's a typical example of what that site does:
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://nigeljohnstone.com/images/turf_digg.gif" target="_newWindow">http://nigeljohnstone.com/images/turf_digg.gif</a>
"I ask you to sign in and digg the following stories...of course , going around the site's politics and news sections and digging other pro-Israel stories is encouraged"
Odd don't you think, that a war that was supposed to be caused by the capture of 2 Israeli soldiers had it's PR campaign in progress at least a month earlier.
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I wonder how well our "born again" president sleeps knowing that tens of thousands innocent civilians are victims of the war he started. But his conscience cannot be bothered - he doesn't have one.
the sake of propaganda. Its not new, its not a surprise and they
are certainly not the only ones doing it. It seems that the news is
filled with propaganda. This is not an insult, it is how wars have
been won for centuries. Everyone spread propaganda. During
the world wars it was widespread, it continued during vietnam
and it goes on every time you watch the TV.
So no big surprises there.
The thing that I am surprised by is the fact that the author of the
article failed to consider the possibility that SOME of these
videos may be anti war videos by people that are actually doing
nothing more than voicing their opinions about a war that they
believe is wrong.
Note that I am suggesting that this is SOME of these videos.
In a country where freedom is valued, people still have the right
to express their opinion and this is clearly a new way that people
are doing that. People are entitled to express their support or
opposition and should be allowed to do so.
The American people will foot the bill for reconstruction. It should be the people who made the money off of the armaments that foot the bill.
Dianne
America are the terrorists!
Yes, you both agree. Now get back in your Burqua before you are caned.
The weapons of mass destruction are the U.S. bioweaponery that has been already unleashed on the world. A little slight of hand by the circus hucksters.
Dianne
You make my argument for me. Tell me that Bush is the terrorist. Tell me that America is the killers of babies.
You are a perfect liberal... I hope you train your children to be effective suicide bombers. Our shock-troop marines have enough armor that your baby should be carrying no less than 20lbs of C4 to make an impact.
How is it that Liberals CONTINUE to blatently IGNORE the fact that we actually DID find chemical weapons in Iraq? Its just baffling... as if they are living in outer space and the world is whatever they imagine it to be.
And still... they want us to believe that George W. Bush has revoked our freedom of press. Wake up and get a fargin clue. Just because you get angry watching TV doesn't mean your rights have been infringed upon. What a hark. The only scumbags I see are the ones trying to scare me into thinking that I've somehow lost freedoms when I'm as free as I was 10 years ago. Get a clue.
The sooner people realize that there is no way to determine truth in material available from ANY SOURCE - internet, print, broadcast - the sooner they will have a more realistic view from which to judge surrounding events.
I've read for years statements to the effect that "history books are rewritten by the winners of war"... the internet changes that to "history books are rewritten by anyone with an internet link".
3 million people in the U.S. will die this year because of Pharmaceuticals.]
The U.S. government has approved the use of pregnant women and children for experiments with pesticides and fertilizers.
The U.S. has the highest medical costs in the world, yet the people are very unhealthy and quickly declining.
The FDA approves the sale of drugs that kill people, accepting fraudulent research, knowingly.
Vioxx killed 60,000 people.
You do not have the right to refuse chemotherapy, if you do you can be arrested and taken from your parents and confined against your will. Your parents will be put in jail.
You do not have the right to refuse to be drugged with Ritalin, if you are a intellegent kid.
The Federal Government with their programme TeenScreen, is criminally diagnosing thousands of American teens with potent and dangerous psychiatic drugs, serving the Pharmaceutical Companies up a whole new lot of customers.
Some of the newest pschiatric 'illnesses' are poor math, poor spelling, poor writing skills. I think these simply reflect poor education. They are not mental illness. Yet, the government not only allows this, but promotes it.
Yeh, who is the terrorist?
I am not a supporter of Bin Laden. I am not a terrorist. I am not a victim of the military propaganda you so willingly swallow. War equals profits for the 'industry'
Dianne
You sit here and try to mumble something about how we are just as evil as that... a moral equivalency... youre a sick lady. mentally sick... but I do hope you can convince your far-left congresspeople to use the same language you use. Obviously, your viewpoint is way into the fringe, but it would help us immensely if you can keep saying that up until election time. Thanks!
Oh, and by the way - 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq when you look at the facts. Actually, the people who hijacked the planes were from Saudi Arabia!
peace," Snow said.
So blowing up buildings, and killing people, is about rebuilding
and peace? Yeah, right. Pigs fly - and Bush, Cheney and
Rumsfeld bring peace and prosperity to Iraq.
Or if not, which I suspect lots of you Bushites still don't, here it is just like the subject line says: you don't get willing footsoldiers for ANY kind of uprising when people are fat, happy, and well governed. You do, however, find willing recruits fairly easy to come by from among the desperate, the disenfranchised, and the hopeless.
Add in a little fundamentalist religion, including Christianity (KKK, Nazis anyone?), and you've got a powderkeg.
Guess what we're doing in the Middle East? Making a LOT of people who used to be largely ambivalent about us (in the end, everybody really just wants to live their lives, have some hope for tomorrow, and be left the $%#@ alone by their government) desperate, disenfranchised, and hopeless, all in a land with easy access to a highly fundamentalist religion and tradition.
In other words, we've just single handedly created a HUGE new crop of terrorists or at the very least terrorist recruit candidates by our completely unnecessary and unrelated to the "war on terror" adventure in Iraq. Once those of you on the right admit that this was a colossal mistake and misjudgment and had nothing to do with 9/11 or anything else, then I'll seriously listen to anything you have to say, but until then...
Want a peaceful Middle East? Quit trying to enforce capricious WW1 and WW2 geographic boundaries on ethnic groups that would rather not live together, pour the vast sums of money we're currently using to fight a war (against whom, by the way?) into school/hospital/infrastructure grants to a peaceably elected government(s), and then treat the countries in the region the same way we do China and Mexico -- trade with them, build relationships where they have more to lose by fighting us than by co-existing with us. If you can give a generation of young Middle Eastern men the hope for a stable, middle class family life, a decent job, and decent security, they will have FAR less reason to take up arms against anyone.
Taking out Saddam did nothing except let loose a civil war; taking out Bin Laden will feel good, but it will make him a martyr. If you can marginalize the fanatical leaders, they lose the army they seek to lead. Hitler was successful because he had a really willing audience and could point to the ways the Germans were being oppressed. Guess what Bin Laden's doing? We must remove the crux of their argument, whether it be Bin Laden's, Hezbollah's, the Palestinians' or whomever. We do that by being a force for economic empowerment to the second/third world people (Middle East or otherwise) and by refraining from trying to tell them what form of government is best for them and where they should draw their borders.