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issue take-down notices, a method of copyright enforcement established under the federal Digital Millennium Copyright Act that compels Internet service providers to pull suspected copyright infringements.
Net Enforcers, whose 105 clients include JVC, Pioneer and Kenwood, will also procure gray-market products and then trace their distribution using serial numbers. If a particular distributor is parting with a lot of product "sideways," he or she may get a reminder from the company about what constitutes legitimate distribution.
The start-up denies that it's playing a never-ending game of gray-market whack-a-mole, and it claims that education provides a more lasting solution among the less malicious gray marketers.
"The majority of the people out there aren't trying to commit a conspiracy," said Adam Cohen, the company's vice president of business development. "In 70 percent to 80 percent of the cases, the dealer is not sophisticated--he's been taken advantage of. He's bought the product under the precept that he would be able to resell it. We wind up educating the mole so we don't wind up whacking him over and over. Then we take the information we gain, and try to find out where the problem lies upstream."
One manufacturer credited Net Enforcers with some improvement in its gray-market problem but cautioned that the industry has its work cut out for it.
"These gray-market dealers harm the brand, and they harm the industry by giving the customer a bad experience," said Keith Lehmann, vice president of Kenwood USA's electronics division. "It's a moving target. It will never be stamped out, only suppressed. It's impossible to stop it all."
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Business 101
2) Someone who orders things for a charitable or educational discount they don't deserve (legally) is committing fraud and should be prosecuted.
3) Persons who buy 'Rolexs' in Times Square @ $50/ea are stupid and maybe get what they deserve. [http://The real mentally retarded are the exception. They need a better social worker.|http://The real mentally retarded are the exception. They need a better social worker.]
4) Persons who sell 'reconditioned' items as new are committing fraud and should be prosecutted.
5) PERHAPS it would be wise for manufacturers who sell items without warrantee to labled [etched] items "NO MANUFACTURER's WARRANTEE." This might 'hurt' business; but if they fail to do so, they have only themselves to blame.
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i don't feel sorry for them one bit.
they ship the manufacturing jobs overseas, they ship the tech support jobs overseas, they do everything possible to maximize profit and have government in their corner and the instant the consumer starts to get a foot in the door...the companies start looking for axes.
Don't tell me this nonesense about higher costs to cover warranties etc. I don't pay for the warranty when I buy something. I buy an item that is free of "manufacturers defects" (that's what it says on all the warranties) I don't get anything more than that. Why should I get less no matter where it was bought. Are the companies allowed to sell goods with more defects in China than/and in USA than Europe.
Why are the corrupt governments supporting these mighty companies arguments. Isn't it in their interest to lower prices not higher them, or are they getting $$$$$ from these mighty rich companies and we the peaple suffer.
- Gray is free trade vs Mfr Greed
- by UtahJed January 27, 2007 1:42 PM PST
- What is going on with News.com? Towing the Corporate line for their advertisers? This reads like Trade Show stump speech.
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(6 Comments)The key concepts supported in the article are the phrases "Gray Market", "Manufacturer Control", Education" and "$5 Billion". The gray market is not illegal(or even immoral), not mis-represented, not stolen, not racketeering and not counterfeit. These things would be labeled Black Market, the manufacturers in cahoots with the Gray Market Alliance know it!! If its Black Market, theere are appropriate laws to address the issue. But this article isnt labeled '...Black Market Retial Vise'. We are speaking only about the Gray Market which is the Legal Free Trade market outside the "Manufacturers Control". These profit-mongers can only suggest illegal activity through their "education" efforts, but cannot ever actually say it.
Everyone in the industry knows the following as true - the manufacturers buy all their products from overseas contractors and sell the exact same products overseas for alot less than in the USA. A parallel to the Pharm Makers. Their left hand purposely dumps excess product into the Legal Free Trade Market at deep discounts before stock earnings reports come out, and then try to combat it with their right hand. They want the cash, but do not want that same product to impact their Full-Price-Market-Share. The problem manufacturers have is ordering too large of quantities from the Asian contractors to get a lower price, then they have excess product. If they would order only what their estimates show the market will bear, then this wouldnt be an issue. Their would be no elasticity problem. Or if they hold onto the excess product during quarterly revenue reports they will take a hit on their stock prices, but eliminate the excess Gray Market. But, instead they want it both ways - the build-order discount, the boosted earning reposrt and the tight market.
This is simple Business 101. Too much product lowers market price. The manufacturers want to have their cake and sell it too. Greed, Greed, Greed and it will cost them another $5 Billion.