Microsoft gunning for Adobe's PDF format?

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with software not only on Windows and Mac computers but also available for Linux, handhelds and smart phones. Metro is slated to be a part of Longhorn, the next version of Windows, which is scheduled to ship in the second half of next year.

"Once again we are talking about something that Microsoft is planning to do versus something that is existing and shipping in the market and currently in its seventh revision," Gartenberg said. "It's a fairly daunting task for them."

This is not the first time Adobe and PDF have been in Microsoft's crosshairs. When Microsoft originally announced its Xdocs electronic form plans in 2002, Xdocs was seen as a threat to Adobe and PDF. Indeed, the InfoPath feature that was eventually added to Office is a competitor to Adobe's server-based document management tools, known as LiveCycle.

Whereas Microsoft is choosing to take PDF head-on, Apple Computer took a different approach when it created Mac OS X's print format. Apple uses PDF as its native printing format and also as an option for saving any Mac OS X file. Though it uses PDF, Apple did its own implementation of the format, using the PDF details Adobe has published.

In fact, one of the things that may help Adobe is that the company is not alone in supporting PDF. Because it published the basic details of the format, it finds itself competing against other PDF creation and management products. On Monday, for example, Arts PDF announced its latest PDF product, challenging Acrobat directly with Nitro PDF, a $99 product for authoring PDF files.

Deziel said the company was not caught off guard by last week's announcements from Microsoft. "We've had conversations around Longhorn going on for a fair amount of time," she said. "We were familiar with the basics of what they talked about at WinHEC last week."

Deziel said Adobe is not threatened by Microsoft's choice to create Metro. Over time, Adobe said, it expects that operating system makers will move into areas once handled by third-party software. There is room for both technologies, she said.

"We expect that the Adobe technology that is so prevalent in professional print production work flows...will continue to deliver value to customers but that as Microsoft enhances the platform that there will be people that take advantage of that technology as well," Deziel said.

Beyond just adding the features necessary to make Metro a reality, Gartenberg said Microsoft will also have to line up key partners, including printer makers that will write Metro-compatible drivers, and third-party software makers--both those that will build Metro support into Windows programs and those who will allow Metro files to be read and managed on non-Windows PCs and other devices.

Microsoft has said it plans to make the technology available in a royalty-free license and last week made an initial pitch to partners, saying there are opportunities to extend Metro beyond what will be done in the operating system.

In a presentation on Metro, Brown talked about some of the benefits of the Metro system, including efforts to create files that take up less space than other fixed-format document files. To do that, Metro looks for repeated data. For example, if a photo is used as a background in 20 PowerPoint slides, Metro includes only one copy. Also, the system saves only those font characters that are used.

That offers only a modest advantage in Western alphabets but can be a big deal with character-based languages, such as Chinese and Japanese.

[Gleeplewinky]

Dumb

What's the point? A castrated proprietary PDF? It
probably goes without saying that Linux (and
presumably Mac OS/X) use PDF precisely the way
Microsoft is intending to use Metro. Any
application can generate PDF output, and that can
be printed.

What's so difficult about writing out PDF through
the printing subsystem and using that to
rasterize the image later (perhaps for the
printer)? Nothing at all.

So where's the value in a proprietary alternative
that isn't as flexible, doesn't have an existing
base of tools to deal with it, is encumbered by
onerous licensing and patents, and isn't already
cross-platform? None at all.

Dumb.

[Chung Leong]

Now that's unfair

Microsoft is saying specifically that it's not trying to supplant PDF. It's silly to insist that's what they're doing and then call it dumb.

As far as I can, Metro is meant as a replacement for the ancient meta file format. It will not only improve printing on Windows, but also clipboard operations. Right now there is no decent way of copy-and-pasting vector graphic between programs. You know what I mean if you've ever tried copying something from Powerpoint into Word.

[Earl Benser]

Never could understand....

... why it took a 60 MB program (Acrobat) to read a 10 KB PDF file.
I'm not too sure that I really like to see MS gaining control of more
of the computer environment, but I have had it with Adobe's
bloatware.

Well if you use adobe...

Under linux I use xpdf a 870kb program. An here is the crux of the problem, PDF is an open standard (not open source but open as in easy to create).

Now then with the doc and xls formats microsoft had the advantage since everyone was using them but with this new format I see no urge to dump PDF even more so since I doubt Microsoft will release any viewers for alternate platforms. We now live in a world where you can create pdf with one click of a button in openoffice without the need for any additional software, you can create pdf from within php, you can even use virtual printers to create pdf. Besides what can Microsoft offer that could persuade users to use it (besides bribes which Microsoft is good at).

[Eggs Ackley]

Stealing ideas again ...

... and from everything they steal, comes an alterantive that's worse (for [L]users), not better (except, of course, for Microsoft)

From TFA:
"With Metro, Microsoft basically wanted to create a file format that would handle two specific tasks. First, the software giant wanted a way to save files from within any Windows program that could then be opened, viewed and shared without needing the specific program that created it." ...

This isn't an issue, if one uses open file formats. Just uses whatever program you want, not one that's being crammed down your throat, and only works on Windows.

..."Second, Microsoft wanted to use the same method for sending data to a printer that it uses for displaying data on screen. So Metro uses the same method for describing and understanding graphics and text that Longhorn's Avalon graphics engine uses."

Sounds like reinventing PostScript to me. Remember? PS was originally a display technology.

I'm still waiting to hear what Metro does that PS/PDF DOESN'T do, except cut off Adobe's air supply.

Not really

Windows has always used this technique under the hood in printing. Its nothing new. Sounds like they're just updating their approach.

[skane2600]

Basic Technology not created at Adobe

As is the case with many technologies, page description languages were developed and implemented at Xerox long before Adobe came along.

Adobe certainly advanced the technology, but it's no more appropriate to suggest that Microsoft is stealing Adobe's ideas than to say that Adobe stole Xerox's.

Microsoft Bully

Here is MS pushing everyone who do not use MS being forced to
using MS. Just because they think they are the big kids on the
block, they think they can transform how the world works for
themselfs.
Why couldn't MS incorporate the already standard Adobe PDF
format in to the already LONG over due Long(moo)horn? Apple
did... Years ago! I don't know what to say! MS = Bully!

[r2_52]

If it works don't mess with it!

Microsoft should concentrate on writing an effective secure OS instead of trying to recreate something that already works.
Also I don't need to clutter my harddrive with another bit of software that only tries to duplicate something that already works.

[Gerald Quaglia]

Thats the M$ way

They did it with the browser and look what happened. It killed all the competition, then forgot about IE. Leaving it open to all kinds of hacks and spyware. IT would stay that way too, but thanks to the Mozilla orgination, the product will now be updated.

[simty]

PDF really sucks on Windoze

So M$ were left with no choice. I'm sure Apple will drag Microsft
through the courts.

[frankz00]

Eight years too late?!?!?

I looked at my clock to make sure I hadn't time warped back to 1997. They were too busy trying to product their .doc format that they fell asleep. Microsoft could have easily made .doc what PDF is today by opening up their spec but they didn't. What's worse is that they probably won't open up the spec to Metro or at least as much as Adobe has done. What's next? A Google killer? Ooops! They tried that too! I think they should stick to operating systems and video games.

[bobby_brady]

Some competition will be good

as Acrobat is expensive.

[cdahl]

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[PCCRomeo]

And Adobe Reader sucks....

Hopefully Microsoft will improve and add more features to Metro.....And kill Adobe.

[Stan Johnson]

I love PDF but see nothing wrong with Microsoft's effort

I love PDF and use it everyday for web and offset printing. PDF is loaded with all types of features that work great with Adobe and other software. I does so much that I don't see Microsoft hurting marketshare much. Microsoft has a lot of work to do to directly compete with all that PDF does...and now that Adobe has Flash...MS can't touch that

[Earl Benser]

Maybe that's the explaination....

... why Adobe bought Macromedia - to beat MS's latest move. Sort
of a decision to retain market share rather than to extend it. It does
seem to fall into place, and I'm sure that Adobe may know more
about MS's plans than MS does..... ;-)

[simty]

PDF + FLASH?

maybe M$ will add WMF to Metro

[shadowself]

Why are we hearing about this now?

How do we know this is not one of the items that will be pulled
from Longhorn in order for Microsoft to make its new "for
certain" shipping date?

MS has dropped several core technologies from Longhorn over
the last 9 months in order to get it out the door in the next 18
-19 months. (Ballmer has stated MS will do whatever it takes to
make certain Longhorn ships no later than 31 December 2006.)
This could be another candidtate to be dropped.

We should be hearing about this next spring when it will be
fairly certain what will and will not be shipped with Longhorn.
Reporting on it now is just being a shill for Microsoft. It is a way
for Microsoft to hype the vaporware of Longhorn even though it
is well over a year away and may not be the OS currently being
hyped.

[System Tyrant]

The Other Alternitive PDF's

I don't think everyone realizes how many "alternitives" to pdf are out their. They are not direct competetors to PDF, but a nusiance all the same. My point here is that the world doesn't need more way to show a document. It needs one standard way with many different way to create and view them.

I think Microsoft would better benefit from creating a better publisher and viewer for the PDF format. They could also, with others, push adobe to let loose of the PDF standard and move it to an open working group that could control the PDF standard like W3C does with HTML.

Although Microsoft has every right to bring a competing document format to the table it doesn't benefit the end user that much. All it does it create more problems for the end user. They will be no different than all those other half baked alternitives to PDF except that Microsoft will be backing it. I have no doubt that they will at some point get rid of PDF export from Office and use only thier format. Creating more problems for those that choose to use better office application.

[Stating]

Free vs. $299

There are a lot of folks who would like to be able to distribute portable documents but don't want to spend $299 for Acrobat. This is particularly the case for home users, small businesses, education, and non-profits. Metro will offer a free, simple solution for these users. Many do not need all the bells and whistles in Acrobat. Once Longhorn is released and gains momentum, I expect that Adobe will attempt to counter by offering a lower-end version of Acrobat aimed at these markets. Of course, it will be too little, too late, a defensive rather than offensive strategy. You could make the case that buying an upgrade to Longhorn, at let's say $149, is half the price of Acrobat alone, and all the other benefits of Longhorn are included for free.


Keith
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Buy a Macintosh...

PDF printing comes standard! It's free.

Macintosh, it just works!

[pcLoadLetter]

The cost of free can be high

Especially if it is not cross-platform. What happens if people on other platforms need the document? How much money did you save now?

Not too mention all the security vulnerabilities that they will likely add, to increase its "value".

[My-Self]

Create PDF documents for free ...

You can already create PDF documents for free.

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/" target="_newWindow">http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/</a>

PDF Creator is setup as a PDF printer. It's both fast and stable and creates PDF just as good as those made using Adobe tools.

[System Tyrant]

Free

There are a lot of free or very cheap alternitives to Acrobat. Some may not have all the functionality of Acrobat, but for the common user it's probably just fine.

We don't really need another portable document format. The PDF standard needs to be seperated from adobe and others need to build publishers and viewers for PDF.

I don't know if people really get this concept, but we don't need more document formats we need better software to create and view one document format. Unfortunatly, like Sun and Java, I don't think adobe is just going to let go of the PDF format to a standards body. However, that is exactly what needs to be done.

[Eggs Ackley]

Missing the point

If Microsoft just wanted to provide a value service to their customers, they would, add to Office, the option to "save as PDF".

But what's in it for them? Other than to cut Acrobat sales in about half. It would put a big hurt on Adobe. But PDF would still be the prevelant document exchange format.

No, what frosts Bill's @$$ is that PDF is so widely used and he doesn't own it.

[Gleeplewinky]

Silly.

I'd point out that Acrobat is not required to
produce PDFs. First, you can use Adobe's web
service to conver MS Office formats to PDF.

Also, non-Microsoft software that can read/write
Office documents frequently supports PDF
natively (e.g., OpenOffice and StarOffice).

Non-Microsoft operating systems like Linux and
OS/X can generate PDF documents from any
application with no additional software (using
the same mechanism as Acrobat in Windows, as a
matter of fact).

The point it, PDF is a very open and simple
format. It's widely deployed and there are
already reams of code for working with
PDF-formatted documents. Microsoft could easily
permit all applications to write PDF (even
import text from PDF) and write a PDF viewer of
their own (heck, there are at least 6 I know of
for Linux).

Grandma only has to pay money because MS needs
to pay someone to reinvent the wheel.

[unknown unknown]

Reply

There are other applications that can create PDFs and many of them are free. Open Office for example can export any document to PDF. The advantage of PDF is that's it's cross platform and the format has been published and is freely avaliable to anyone interest in developing software that works with PDFs. Then there is the fact that there is a ton of content out there already in PDF format. I really don't see any point in Microsoft reinventing the wheel here.

[cdahl]

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Re: Free vs. $299

Correct. Free.

What about OpenOffice? <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.openoffice.org" target="_newWindow">http://www.openoffice.org</a>

An excellent opensource suite, it has PDF Export as one of its features, can read MS Word/Excel documents, and lots more...
There are a number of other free pdf writers out there. Just do a google search on "free pdf" and you'll get a number of hits...


Maurice

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[cdahl]

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[one2three]

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Thanks, I've downloaded the NitoPDF trial and it seems great to me. A whole new world has opened. It's hard to imagine why Adobe could be any better.

Adobe needs the competition

First off, PDF is great. It makes a great way to cut document size and still keep the look and feel of the original. And online forms are so much easier than having to print and fill in the blanks. But some of their install configuration leavs a lot to be desired. When I do an upgrade on a product, I want it to upgrade...Not add another version which seems to be the way Acrobat reader behaves. PDF is great but if Microsoft gets it right...

[System Tyrant]

I agree...

somewhat. Competition is good. However, we don't need another "portable format" we just need better ways to access one format. Competition based on on the software not on the format. However, like sony, Microsoft sounds like they want to compete for the format over the software. I'm sure that they could make a format that is better or equal to PDF, but the end user just ends up with more headaches. I hope Microsoft understands this, but given their past recored on competing I doubt it.

[trgbeck]

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[MacSmiley]

Mac OS X Already Made This Ancient History

Why is this even a news item?

Mac OS X's Quartz Extreme rendering engine has been based on
PDF technology from the get go. By the time MS gets LongYawn/
Metro out the door, Mac OS X will have had PDF as part of the
Print dialog for over 1/2 a decade!!

[manodud]

Tactical first move

I feel it is a very strategic first step in attacking PDF - initially providing the basic technology FREE with Longhorn. Adobe would be definitely alarmed by this move. Would this lead to another (mini) browser-war kind or probably is it too early to speculate anything?

[simty]

cross platform

since when has cross platform been a M$ objective. They only
go cross platform to spoil, JAVA, Mpeg4, HTML

[simty]

Quicktime

unfortunately some of the codecs used in QT are not free. So
the ability to author into them comes at a price. If what you are
say were true the Microsoft publishing department wouldn't have
had a whole van load of MAC G5's delivered.

Macintosh Dominates Publishing

Macintosh computers dominate the publishing world and for
that reason alone the PDF format will stay firmly entrenched in
the business. The use of PDF workflows has grow
tremendously in the last couple of years. Microsoft has been
promising Longhorn for a long time now. Mac OSX is in its 4th
generation now and left Windows in the dust a long time ago.
The Macintosh INSTALLED base may only be around 10% of total
market share but in the publishing world it is near 80%. All the
numbers the media keep posting about the Macintosh having
only 3% market share are based on new purchases (which
include terminals at every checkout at Wal-Mart etc..) not
installed base.

My two cents

[bobby_brady]

Remember Adobe ATM?

That was toast when Windows 3.1 came along. I project this will hurt Adobe in the long run. That is probably why Adobe is licensing the pdf framework.

[Angmarr]

GOOD
I hate Adobe ... And I don't see the point in using it, If Microsoft uses a free service I'm for it, tho I do Agree that we need to move away from Microsoft dominated WORD and such