November 14, 2005 12:52 PM PST

Microsoft eyes making desktop apps free

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The key is creating a robust enough advertising business to pay for more expensive content than what has been traditionally offered for free on the Internet. At the center of Microsoft's efforts here is a product called AdCenter. Its initial role is to offer the same kinds of text-based keyword ads as Google serves up though its AdWords, but Microsoft's ambitions for AdCenter go much further.

Executives see AdCenter, which has been known internally by the code name Moonshot, as a way to offer all manner of ads, text, display and video for use both online and offline on a PC, and on other devices, such as the Xbox gaming console or mobile phones.

"Are people willing to pay $100 every three or four years not to get bombarded with ads? I think a lot of people will."

--Matt Rosoff, analyst, Directions on Microsoft

"It's not just about (ads that run) in your PC with your browser open," Joanne Bradford, Microsoft chief media revenue officer, said in an interview last week. "Today, it's keyword...We believe in the future it will be about display (ads), video and all that is advertising."

Microsoft is clearly looking to forge new ground with AdCenter, said Matt Rosoff, an analyst at Directions on Microsoft. "It's pretty clear that AdCenter is going to be more than a traditional paid search platform," he said. "They are taking the idea of contextual advertising and applying it fairly broadly."

Rosoff said it makes sense for Microsoft to explore which types of products might be supported by ads.

"It doesn't surprise me at all that they are looking at all possibilities, especially given that a lot of people feel Google is going to go this direction," Rosoff said. He notes that Money, for example, is already a hybrid product that has both a desktop software and an online component.

However, he is not convinced that consumers will accept a vast quantity of ads rather than pay for software.

"Are people willing to pay $100 every three or four years not to get bombarded with ads?" Rosoff said. "I think a lot of people will."

Finite market
He also notes that however promising the ad market, it is a finite one that can only support so many products. Today, online advertising is growing as businesses shift from things like yellow pages, print and TV ads, but, Rosoff said: "Eventually that tops out."

Microsoft faces other challenges as well. One problem with inserting ads served over an Internet connection into desktop software is that while broadband access has grown, many computers spend a significant amount of time offline. Also, to pay off, such advertising must be targeted and relevant enough to both generate higher revenue and avoid annoying users.

"It's definitely an idea to pursue, but it's fraught with perils," said Forrester Research analyst Charlene Li.

Li said the move could open up new markets for Microsoft, but notes that it is also a move into largely uncharted waters. "The challenge becomes users aren't necessarily used to having ads on desktop applications."

These concerns could explain why Microsoft held discussions to buy controversial adware maker Claria this summer, though ultimately no deal was announced.

Privacy is another major issue Microsoft expects to face. The paper suggests some options such as offering paid, ad-free upgrades; allowing users to turn off some of the personalization options in favor of more generic ads; and choosing applications to be ad-based in which users are already sharing private data. Even those moves may not be enough, the paper suggests. "Unfortunately, even where consumers are willing to make this trade, privacy advocate and perhaps European regulators are not," the authors wrote.

Li notes that some users might feel comfortable, say, writing a letter about their trip to Costa Rica in a free, ad-sponsored word-processing program and seeing ads for Costa Rica travel, while others may find that crosses a line.

"Everyone has different thresholds for how much their privacy is worth," Li said.

Despite the concerns, though, the researchers argue that Microsoft needs to act.

"As online advertising increases our competitors will enter many markets with free, ad-supported products," they wrote. "We must have free, ad-supported entries in these same areas."

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MS has enough problems...
... with it software as it is. Trying to introduce ads, and reactive ads
at that, is just asking for headaches.
Posted by Earl Benser (4310 comments )
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asking for headaches
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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A better strategy for "Microsoft" would be....
... to release "some" of the source-codes which it apparently has for Widnows' "Half-Brother" - IBM's OS/2 and let the world see how an unrestrained OS/2 would perform in the marketplace. This may in fact bring Microsoft some of the services revenues it will be seeking in the very near future!
Posted by Captain_Spock (894 comments )
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An important issue that will have to be considered...
... will be that of the question of "security"; thus, there will still be considerable overhead costs to users of the free software from Microsoft!
Posted by Captain_Spock (894 comments )
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OS/2
Sheesh, talk about the zombie OS, It's dead, deal with it.
Posted by aabcdefghij987654321 (1721 comments )
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i agree with MSFT - they must make desktop...
...apps free. in their drive to web based computing, i'd bet money they know that they must also make for-pay ISP provision a service that comes without advertising and brings with it the full security suite they've been trialling. how to package these concerns may well be what's taking so long on the still-distant release dates for IE7 and the Vista o/s. i found it surprising from the article that they're making as much as $7 per computer on the current o/s.
Posted by i_made_this (302 comments )
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Isn't Windows Buggy Enough?
Isn't Windows buggy enough without the thought of making an "Ad Supported" version of it? Also there would be a killer breed of adware that can't be removed without deleting Windows.

Also, It's only a matter of time until someone finds a way to overwrite MS ads with their own, no matter what MS does, there will be someone who finds out how to exploit the built in ads. Even worse, other adware will try and maybe remove the MS Adware, thus rendering Windows inoperable.

This is a great idea, without the ads! Ad-Supported Windows - BS.

What MS Should do is offer a "lifetime" purchase, which basically entitles you to a new version of Windows for life. They should also have "Family Packs" for multiple PCs. I have XP Pro on Three PCs and Home on one. That is ******* EXPENSIVE! I can't wait until a copy of XP can be bought for $50 for a full version.

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Posted by BMR777 (61 comments )
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Hell Yes
Apple sells 'family packs' of its more popular software (OS X
included). I have an OS X family pack that cost only a few dollars
more than the single user license, and I get to install it on FIVE
macs. Why would a household be forced to buy the same piece of
software for every computer it owns?
Posted by montgomeryburns (109 comments )
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Price is an Obstacle
Yeah, Windows is expensive, but I've found that most software I need to run has a linux port, or replacement. I dual boot Ubuntu/XP MCE, and I spend most time in Linux. Anything that doesn't run, there's WINE for, or Windows, as a last resort.
Posted by ben::zen (127 comments )
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The Empire is Crumbling
This has to be about the worst strategy I have ever heard. The OS that excels in giving shelter to malware, spyware, viri, and all sort of fun little goblins, would make itself even more prone to attack by introducing desktop adware.

Would the public be stupid enough to use this? I suppose some would. But I have my doubts that this would be widely adopted, and would likely begin the first steps towards a crumbling Windows empire.
Posted by R. U. Sirius (745 comments )
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Not going to happen!
Should this scenario play out as your are predicting have you taken into consideration what happens to the world's mountains of data that will be locked up it Microsoft's proprietary software format since as it is widely believed that over 90% of the desktop space is under control by this company's products. What needs to be urgently addressed is a move by Microsoft towards the adoption of of the proposed Open Document Format (XML...) and the voluntary release of certain source-codes so as to safe guard against lock-ins in case of catastrophic failures such as the one you have described above. I am quite certain that after "Enron" and other similar scenarios there are certain controls in place.
Posted by Captain_Spock (894 comments )
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Revenge of the Ads?
Hmm, does this remind me of Revenge of the Ads or Return of the Ads.
[Note: substitue Sith or Jedi and its almost funny]
Posted by (10 comments )
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No
No, unlike malware, that won't make the OS be prone to attack.
Posted by Yuhong2 (27 comments )
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hold your breath..
&for the empire to crumble and you will only turn blue. With over 40 billion in bank it has enough money to continue at its present pace without a penny coming in. With around 20% increase in revenue last quarter that it still has plenty of penniesss flowing in. So hold your though and sorry to break this news to you ;)
Posted by FutureGuy (742 comments )
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If MS does something like this
Time to move to Linux full time.
Posted by Ikohs (5 comments )
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Microsoft Windows is good for you!
Put a chip in your brain, and upgrade to Microsoft Beast Edition 666!

--Illuminathan.
Posted by Jebulon (4 comments )
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no MS only Linux
Yes Steven, ful time linux. i totally agree.
Another way is ask the anti-virus software to block all the adware:D

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Posted by eric_sato (5 comments )
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Linux full time
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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Free MS software costs too much!
Not really.
I do think that they should charge for media player and the other
app.s that are bundled, the IE/Browser for another.

WHen people have to PAY for a product and not get it as the
default
then they compare products on the MERITS. This unfair
bundlling/integrating of monopoly software (Windows, Intenet
explorer, Office) stifles innovation, but also makes writing
software easier. This dicotomy has been the problem. But now
Open Source, Free software is changing, restoring things for the
better IMHO.
Posted by technewsjunkie (1265 comments )
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Agree - Open Source has some great products.
OpenOffice.org 2.0 is an excellent office suite... Those who use PGP, should look at GNU Privacy Guard. Google is involved with some cool things that are free (Picasa, Gmail, Google Earth)... okay - those are not open, but they are good and you can't beat the price. I also like what someone said about making OS/2 open... doubt it would happen, but I think it is a great idea. It was a decent OS that got lost in the Microsoft Shuffle. The thing that has been missing for Microsoft for a long time is competition... they swallowed it up and lived the high life for a while and now it's coming back... and they can't buy it, because it is already free. At least they got their new XBOX coming out before their new competition (HA!).
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dicotomy
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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Works & Money : Worthless!
The only software that you currently have to pay for you need from Microsoft is Windows and Office (and that's only because it's made a standard by most schools and businesses). Works and Money are 100% worthless!
Posted by PCCRomeo (432 comments )
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I agree, MS Works worthless!
I agree totally with you. MS works is worthless and should be discontinued from MS suite of products. It causes formatting issues between word and works and is plain confusing. Also MS Money is useless cause Intuit (Quicken) has more of a market when it comes to financial software (including quickbooks).
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100% worthless
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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Other Operating Systems.
This has absolutly nothing to do with the topic.

I notice that a lot of people have been commenting about OS/2 lately. I went over to IBM and noticed at the end of 2006 they will officially wash their hands of OS/2. I think IBM really did screw up with OS/2. They could have had the best OS around, but like most things IBM does they never put anything behind it.

They aren't the only ones who had something promising to only watch it fade into history. BeOS had lots of promise, but the guy who owned it sold it to Palm and then it just went away. There is a community out their working on a Clone/whatever of BeOS, but Palm owns the code and I don't think they open sourced it.

There has been a lot of software that was really good, but for whatever reason they faded away or became outdated. Maybe IBM could open source some of the OS/2 code, but probably not going to happen.
Posted by System Tyrant (1453 comments )
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Fade Away
{There has been a lot of software that was really good, but for whatever reason they faded away or became outdated.}

They didn't make any money for the people involved and people tend to stop doing things they get no return from.
Posted by Deaide (6 comments )
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A value proposition for Microsoft
My suggestion to Microsoft is to continue to sell Window OS as shrink wrap product. Put all Application Programs on the web and price them at diffrent level of users experience: from free (more ads interruption) to some fee (less ad) and higher fee (no ad). This business model will protect the current revenue stream while expanding the new market and revenue.
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business model
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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Oh well
An interesting to direct users to other alternative unintrusive/invasive operating software systems!
Posted by heystoopid (691 comments )
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unintrusive/invasive
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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Might be a good idea
I've paid for Money from 2001 to 2004 and finally I stopped upgrading it because Microsoft was upgrading it too often for me to pay for it.

If MS made Money free and got its revenue from ads, I'd be a happy camper.

-Shaam
Posted by shaamjones (1 comment )
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Other Strategies that...
Microsoft could adopt would be to outsource parts of its software development to countries such as Brazil and India (making it easier for acquisition and adoption in these countries also) to help bring down the Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) to users of its products... this will in turn allow for the people in these underdeveloped countries to afford more American made goods and services that they presently find difficult to obtain and afford. Well, with regards to the questions of ads... don't we all find our eyes glued to the television screen during the half-time -- come Super Bowl! therefore a few occational ads on the computer screen ought not to be a bad idea!
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questions of ads
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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Windows is already supported by ads
It's called Spyware.
Posted by (96 comments )
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But...
But the spyware and adware advertising supports other businesses.
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Spyware
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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Free wouldn't work without opensourcing it
Ok, Ad were and always was the best money making
strategy; it's the most direct but without Open
Sourcing Windows, MS doesn't want to play with
the other children in the sandbox so they don't
get the benefits of other Ad revenue. When you
have such a thin business model (AD strict) set
up it is imperative that you get cooperation from
other companies and organizations like Linux,
Gnome and Konqueror. For instance, a closed
solution not under Shared Source would be very
difficult to interpolate with other software so
Ad revenue would be very limited to MS'
'ecosystem.'

I suggest MS focus on what I call sub-
applications to their prime OS geared toward
their live site so people are inclined, but not
forced, to use their search engine plus tools
like even a desktop tool, like Gnome,
Ad-Supported that can be even used on Linux, BSD,
Solaris ETC.
This would also prove useful in privacy
situations because people would trust MS more by
being able to see the code plus writes would be
more inclined to write code that was very safe
and geared towards people's privacy.

They must break it up to become stronger. This is
where the action is.
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Gnome and Konqueror
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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Possible Free Microsoft Software
I do not feel that I would like to see Microsoft start including commercials in their software products. Even though I, along with other users, would like to receive free software, I feel the correct place for commercial ads is on the Internet solely. Users should not be subject to view ads while trying to be productive. I believe that most users would be forced to look at other options should ads be introduced into offline applications.
Posted by scotthi (5 comments )
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Like OpenOffice
I think they should take the Sun, Google solution
to where they will show ads for OpenOffice at the
initial download or just get an ad or two in the
support forum.
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commercial ads
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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Microsoft needs to work on...
Microsoft started as an O/S software and desktop application company. Google is an internet company where ad campaign makes sense. It seems adding ads in desktop application is going overboard. They should invest more on web development and create cool and different products people can get excited about and serve ads from there. These days Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft are copying one another, and one company who can come up with a really unique product should lead the race. Merely copying other's ajax portal sites is not sufficient. (look at start.com or live.com and netvibes.com) Apple doesn't put ads on their software, but sold tons of ipods. Microsoft needs to work on product development than debating about adding ads in their existing desktop products.
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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Microsoft is too late, the Linux world has already beaten them to it!!!
Have you guys heard of a service called CosmoPod?? THey've been offering an online KDE desktop for 1 year now. Most recently, they have upgraded their servers. Check it out at www.cosmopod.com.
Posted by jamieb22 (1 comment )
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Majority of us don't know about it!!!
The issue I have with open source is simple. How do I find these gems to use them as there are many of them and I don't know where to find.

I am sure someone will post a response message and say 'Here you go!! take the link'.

I hope someone will create a one single website where people can go and download opensource software. I also hope this website gets branding.
Posted by Tanjore (322 comments )
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But...
Yes it may be too late, but I think it is not too late for this to stop Windows piracy.
Posted by Yuhong2 (27 comments )
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Simple Solution
Making an ad supported OS is the worst idea I have ever heard. The solution to selling more shrink wrapped software is simple...lower your prices. Microsoft has been gouging the public with crappy software for way too long. If the govt had split them up for being an illegal monopoly, the separate divisions would have been more competitive, innovative and cost effective for consumers.
Posted by SwamiMan (1 comment )
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Yeah..
Just like splitting up Ma Bell lowered phone services costs. Oh wait, it didn't.
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illegal monopoly
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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Still too expensive...
The costs are still too high.
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still too high
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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If OS/2 is "dead'"; again, as some say...
... then why are "they" meeting in Dresden, Germany, from November 18th to 20th.?

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In preparation; perhaps, for its reincarnation in view of the anticipated turbulence on the Redmond Campus to resume battle side by side this time with Linux (with IBM avenging its death) against its half-brother (Windows) for its share of the desktop space: <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1313" target="_newWindow">http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1313</a>
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IBM avenging its death
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It will happen!
When the hell freezes over...
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Bill must be sleeping well tonight
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When the hell freezes over...
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Posted by service.satellite (1 comment )
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Ads
Adware, more adware, then comes ever more spyware. How silly can MS become. Scary thought.
Posted by Techrat (1 comment )
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Scary thought
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Posted by Thunder Johny (200 comments )
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Brilliant. What about a Linux distro?
Although a successful ad bid would kill our revenue stream, (we're an ads based content company), I think this is a potential great idea for m$.

Hnoestly though I'm starting to think m$ should say screw windows, and develop a kickass version of Linux. The world has joined forces to become linux oriented, if they adopt the os-os (hah) platform, I think they could steam roll the competition.
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kickass version
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