May 30, 2007 3:47 PM PDT

Mass deletion sparks LiveJournal revolt

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Legal experts say LiveJournal is clearly not liable for fictional stories and related discussions posted by its users, thanks to a 1996 federal law immunizing Web-based discussion forums from lawsuits. "If the content is otherwise legal, then LiveJournal has no obligation to police its site or remove any legal content it finds," said Eric Goldman, who teaches at the Santa Clara University School of Law.

LiveJournal's terms of service ban "objectionable" content and say any account can be deleted "for any reason." But the company also claims to "provide users with as much freedom of speech as possible."

"Our decision here was not based on pure legal issues," countered Six Apart's Berkowitz. "It was based on what community we want to build and what we think is appropriate within that community and what's not. We have an awful broad range of discussions and topics and other things going on in LiveJournal, and we encourage other broad-ranging conversations on all sorts of topics. This was a specific case where we felt there was not a reason (for these journals to stay online)."

Berkowitz said the company would "obviously apologize" to anyone whose journal was deleted in error but added: "That's going to be a very small minority of the sites. I would be shocked if it's more than a dozen."

Some LiveJournal users have taken the abuse department's claim--that discussions of illegal activity must be deleted even if they're fictional--and tried to counter it with examples from literature. One post listed a slew of fictional works including Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet (Juliet is 13- or 14-years-old when married), Mary Shelley's Mathilde, Sophocles' Oedipus plays, and It by Stephen King.

Others have tried more creative forms of activism. A "pro-fandom" protest group set up this week already counts 4,468 members. Others are touting GreatestJournal, JournalFen, or InsaneJournal as less-censorial alternatives. A petition to LiveJournal management has appeared, as have groups calling for a online war against the people associated with the Warriors for Innocence group.

Warriors for Innocence did not respond to an e-mail request for comment on Wednesday. But a recent post on the group's Web site replies to the protests by taunting the activists: "Let the caterwauling and complaining continue; LJ has chosen to enforce rules that were already in place for all to see. 'I finally got held accountable, and it's all your fault' won't fly."

CNET News.com's Anne Broache contributed to this report.

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ORLY?
Um... interesting that a quick search on interest shows pages and pages of people listing and discussing the interests that LJ claims prompted the suspensions.

Either you did a **** poor job of cleaning house or they're lying.
Posted by skyermirth (2 comments )
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YARLY.
They only deleted journals that WFI claimed were problematic. Including two of mine that were for RPG characters.
Posted by ataniell93 (1 comment )
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Nice....
Wow. So nice of them to let you guys know, instead of their users. There are so many people commenting and checking on lj_news that a database error comes up most times I try to refresh, and still no new post about this whole fiasco. Instead the lj_support team is being told not to say anything. And what's this about building a community? There already is an LJ community; this is just tearing down parts of it, because a lot of innocent journals and communities, particularly fanfic ones, are being affected. Users are frightened, locking their journals and removing all their interests. People are pulling their paid subscriptions and reconsidering getting permanent paid accounts. Six Apart acts like they have some kind of moral high ground. They don't.
Posted by butterflypersona (2 comments )
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As Maintainer of WhydoesLJcensor
I would like to add that the members of
Livejournal are making every possible move; from
calling Jane, head of PR at her desk (yes she is
answering calls) to writing the ACLU and even
spreading it to those who may not have heard to
being away for school, etc.
This is a horrible mess and I am proud and happy
to be a part of the solution and have no
intentions of backing down. If this is where it
starts, where will it end?

~The Original Subversive Submissive
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://asexualdreamer.livejournal.com" target="_newWindow">http://asexualdreamer.livejournal.com</a>
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://community.livejournal.com/whydoesljcensor/" target="_newWindow">http://community.livejournal.com/whydoesljcensor/</a>
Posted by subversive_submissive (2 comments )
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Statement to Be made in 1 1/2-2 hours by Jane: Livejournal PR rep
I spoke with Jane, who is head of PR for
livejournal and sixapart and she has promised a
statement in the next 1 1/2 - 2 hours. For a
transcript of the conversation, please
see:<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://community.livejournal.com/whydoesljcensor/8158.html?style=mine" target="_newWindow">http://community.livejournal.com/whydoesljcensor/8158.html?style=mine</a>
Posted by subversive_submissive (2 comments )
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fandom_counts
fandom_counts was actually created today, and its now over 9000 members... just fyi.
Posted by ktoth04 (2 comments )
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WFI run by a homophobic right-wing extremist
Listen: WFI is not some large organization dedicated to protecting children. It all comes down to one woman named Sue, who's link is right there on the main page. In her personal blogspot is homophobia, xenophobia and she proudly calls herself one of the 'redneck mafia'. Please, CNet, SixApart... think hard about what kind of woman you're reporting on. She is not there to do anything but further a hate-filled personal agenda.
Posted by SLWatson (1 comment )
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Big mistake.
I agree. Personally, and I'm saying this from real life experience, SixApart made a big boo-boo linking themselves to this radical group. I've read her blog and it disgusts me as an American. They are affiliated with hate groups.
Posted by skyermirth (2 comments )
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WFI and LJ not handing this right AT ALL.
Obviously this is personal vendetta driven and shouldn't be taken to such a degree as it has. LJ has purged it's site of many, legitimate pedophilia and other explicitly illegal journals/communities, but it's done more harm then good in the process. And by backing it's claims by showing support to a site run by an extremist, does not show any sort of integrity.

Usually cases of internet predators, such as those that could possibly (and are definitely) lurking on blogging sites such as LJ, are taken seriously and quietly. By LJ and WFI announcing what was going on, they basically shouted 'ready or not here I come' before going in. All that is going to do is tip off these people to go further underground and **** the innocent people off.

And where are the law officials in all of this? If you ask me, this isn't being handled right at all.

Something is up with WFI. Why aren't we looking into the illegitimacy of that?
Posted by niffer08 (1 comment )
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Arrogance
"We are the only thing that stands between evil and innocence"
How thick and arrogant can she be??
Posted by annthracks (4 comments )
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LJ SixApart - Communities Are There To Make Money (!)
Googling for news, I came across this

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://rc3.org/2005/01/entry_6699.php" target="_newWindow">http://rc3.org/2005/01/entry_6699.php</a>

"On the other hand, Danga was a casually-run company that existed to keep Livejournal running, and its founders cupboards full. SixApart is a venture-capital backed organisation that has a much more concrete appreciation of the concept of return on investment. It?s inevitable that at some point, someone will look at the statistics and realise that fewer than one in fifty Livejournal users are actually contributing to its upkeep."

Contrast with

"What would be more interesting is why they're NOT buying LiveJournal: they're not buying the site to spam you, screw you, destroy the community, or convert you en massé to their other paid services. They just want to double our efforts and have a part in all types of blogging."

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://news.livejournal.com/82926.html" target="_newWindow">http://news.livejournal.com/82926.html</a>

So... Where *are* people going with their fandoms? Does Journalfen cost money? :/
Posted by Pixieking (1 comment )
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Journalfen
JF requires a paid account unless you know a paid user who will give you one. I'm not sur ethe details as I'm a paid member myself, but paid members can invite their friends. There are other hoops you can jump through, but those require serious dedication to gaining membership on the site. However the perks far outweigh some of LJs. With 500 userpics and other things like that.

In other words, if you can't shell out the cash you need to know someone.
Posted by thesilentsenshi (3 comments )
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I forgot...
to mention that Journalfen is strictly for those 18 and older. So there is little fear of worrying over being censored.
Posted by thesilentsenshi (3 comments )
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A first account of the hypocrisy, plus links.
I have a HUGE post here: <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://roaring.livejournal.com/70304.html" target="_newWindow">http://roaring.livejournal.com/70304.html</a>

First there is my personal account with my run ins for LJ first claiming they could do nothing about supposed pedophiles, because there was no proof. Mine was not the only case.

Then, it is apparent that people who have been banned without warning are now getting copy-and-paste statements from LJ stating they did this because they showed interested in illegal content.

More in my post, which is, again, here: <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://roaring.livejournal.com/70304.html" target="_newWindow">http://roaring.livejournal.com/70304.html</a>
Posted by karibe (1 comment )
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fandom_counts created TODAY & growing
Date created: 2007-05-30 16:12:39
current membership: 9746
Posted by oboros (1 comment )
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it's all about advertising dollars
The WfI woman Sue explains on her blog that she had been
complaining to Six Apart for some time with no results, so she
screen capped companies ads [on LJ] being displayed next to the
objectionable content, and sent those caps to the companies
with her complaints. Those companies are then purported to
have complained to Six Apart and threatened to pull their
advertising.

That being the case, it's pretty obvious what Six Apart's other
concerns beyond legality are. Advertising has bought policy,
exactly like they promised it wouldn't when they implemented it.
But hey, they promised not to implement ads, too. They don't
care about the user "revolution," because users aren't paying the
bills like advertisers are.
Posted by thealtermind (1 comment )
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Six Apart's covers tail - refuses to fix mistakes
Six Apart screwed up. They deleted accounts that had nothing to do with pedophiles and now they're refusing to fix their mistake.
Posted by icarus_ancalion (2 comments )
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Six Apart is full of it
They caved to pressure from Warriors for Innocence, a vigilante group. Judging from their site and what was deleted clearly any discussion that deviates from their view on it or works of fiction dealing with it, eg. Lolita, is unacceptable and to become a target. Apparently the inclusion of sex and child in the same sentence or the use of a word that implies it was enough in this case for Live Journal. The fight against child abuse has become so emotionally charged and fanatical that to merely being accused of it is enough to have ones life ruined and be found guilty in the court public opinion whether found innocent or not. For a company being accused of harboring pedophiles and sex offenders can be very damaging or at least make them a target for some grand standing politician that wants to appear tough child abuse. Groups like Perverted Justice and Warriors for Innocence have exploited this for their own purposes. That seems to include getting perfectly legal material removed a long with the illegal.
Posted by unknown unknown (1951 comments )
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Fandom_counts community membership count
The community fandom_counts was created at approximately 12:30pm EST, right now it is 8:30pm EST and the membership count has crossed the 10,000 line and growing. LJ really stepped on a landmine with this stunt.
Posted by bombaykitty (1 comment )
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Ten more minutes, another 700 members.
It's now 8:40 EST, and there are 10,716... excuse me, 10,742 members. You can't hit "refresh" fast enough. This is snowballing, and I want the world to see just how powerful the fandom is. We'll have 20,000 in a few more hours, easily.

Oh, and it's 10,809 now. (And I type fast.)
Posted by Mijan_Fawkes (2 comments )
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fandom_counts is over 11,000 members
fandom_counts is over 11,000 members in less than 12 hours.
Posted by ktoth04 (2 comments )
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13,000 and counting
It's 9:37, and we just passed the 13,000 mark. Love it.
Posted by Mijan_Fawkes (2 comments )
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LiverJournal's actions went to protect CRIMINALS
I was a member of a support group for physically, emotionally and sexually abused individuals and a post I made a year ago to the group noted that at long last, after so many years of getting away with rape and abuse, one sicko finally went to jail. I didn't give graphic details of what he did, but provided his name, court case # and the jail he would be serving time in.

About a week ago, LiveJournal suddenly disabled my account claiming I had ignored a warning from them about this post I had made a year ago. I checked and re-checked and found no such previous warning sent, they simply disabled my account.

They said that I had violated the individual's privacy by giving his name and linking to a website containing even more private information. The offending website was the website of the courthouse he was tried and convicted in.

They continually refused to answer my questions as to why LiveJournal wants to protect violent felons from their own public records.

I thought this was some random thing, but reading this, it may have been part of this broader campaign to delete websites. If so, for LiveJournal to claim its trying to prevent illegal conduct is complete and utter hogwash ... in my case they were trying to help a convicted, violent felon get away from his own public record!
Posted by KlondikeWolf (6 comments )
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An open letter to Barak Berkowitz
Mr. Berkowitz,

After a couple hundred suspensions and two days of panic and confusion among the LiveJournal userbase, I am pleased to see that you have finally deigned to comment on this fracas. Admittedly, your first comments are directed to <A HREF="http://news.cbsi.com/Mass+deletion+sparks+LiveJournal+revolt/2100-1025_3-6187619.html?tag=st.num">CNet</A> rather than to your userbase, but you commented nevertheless. You had your chance to explain yourself, to apologize to the users whose journals contained no illegal content and were wrongly suspended. But you chose not to. Instead, you had this to say:

<blockquote>Our decision here was not based on pure legal issues. It was based on what community we want to build and what we think is appropriate within that community and what's not.</blockquote>

Those are your words. They are printed in bold red type on the CNet article. With those words, you have made it clear that the responsibility for this debacle lies squarely with <I>you</I>&mdash;not with the nutters at Warriors for Innocence, whatever their involvement, but with <I>you</I>. And your userbase is going to remember them for a very long time, with any luck. After the LiveJournal abuse team has spent all day <A HREF="http://femmequixotic.livejournal.com/292480.html?nc=165">telling</A> the owners of suspended journals and communities that the decision to suspend them based strictly on items in their interest lists was a move made to protect LiveJournal from liability, you contradicted them and disclosed that the actions taken against those journals were "not based on pure legal issues." No, they were based on the loftier goals of <I>what community we want to build</I> and <I>what we think is appropriate within that community and what's not</I>.

Who is "we," Mr. Berkowitz? Do you really mean just "you"? Do you mean SixApart's board of directors? The administrators and support team of LiveJournal? Or is it really your advertisers you mean? One thing is for sure, Mr. Berkowitz&mdash;you are <I>not</I> speaking for me.

So, whomever you're speaking for, you say that you're doing this on the basis of <I>what community we want to build</I>? You've suddenly had a new epiphany about <I>what community we want to build</I>? You <A HREF="http://community.livejournal.com/innocence_jihad/23599.html">changed your mind</A> remarkably quickly; <I>what is appropriate within that community</I> now seems to be a rather radical departure from what was appropriate a few months ago. And you've decided to move forward with this new vision of <I>what community we want to build</I> without any announcements on the news page? Without any requests for feedback from the <I>members</I> of said community? Without any warning whatsoever? Overnight, LiveJournal's long-standing commitment to freedom of expression is thrown out, to be replaced with <I>what we think is approprate within that community</I>?

Mr. Berkowitz, arrogant patriarchs since the dawn of history have been making decrees about <I>what community we want to build</I>. They've been dividing the world into <I>what we think is appropriate</I>, and <I>what's not</I>. They've drawn circles of firelight and declared everything beyond the circle the <I>Other</I>, the outcast, the enemy. They've used fear of the enemy to justify the arbitrary strictures they place upon the righteous, to keep the shadows at bay. Only in the modern world, illuminated not by the flickering torches of superstition but by the flourescent lightbulb of reason, have cultures rejected the arrogant patriarch and begun to accept the Other into the light, begun to realize that right and wrong, good and evil are based on a higher truth than simply <I>what we think is appropriate</I> and <I>what's not</I>. The culture of the Internet is the highest realization of that ideal, and LiveJournal was once a brilliant example of that culture. But you, Mr. Berkowitz&mdash;you have redrawn the circle and told your users that the shadows&mdash;all but a dozen of them, at least&mdash;are a thing to be feared. They are not <I>what we think is appropriate</I>.

Look&mdash;unlike most people these days, I trust capitalism. When SixApart bought LiveJournal, I trusted it&mdash;surely it would just increase the site's access to money and talent, and wouldn't force any kind of change to the core philosophy of the service. When the advertisements began to appear, I trusted it&mdash;it's okay to take in enough money to keep the site running and make a decent profit, and they'll be opt-in anyway, right? But today you have violated that trust. Whether it's the influence of your advertisers or your own misguided vision of <I>what community we want to build</I>, you have used your power as owner of LiveJournal to twist it into something it was never meant to be.

Will I leave LiveJournal over this, as so many of your users are now promising to do? No, I will not. Out of love for the friends I have here, and out of respect for the quality of the site&mdash;a quality imbued in it by its original creators and owners, not by any subsequent corporate parasites&mdash;I will stay. But&mdash;if your words today are representative of the direction of the site&mdash;I will never buy a paid account. I will never upgrade to a plus account. I will never click on the ads on any other user's journal. I will use it as it was intended to be used&mdash;freely, until you decide that my use of it is no longer <I>what we think is appropriate</I>.

But I want to know, Mr. Berkowitz&mdash;what <I>is</I> the <I>community we want to build</I>? What is <I>appropriate within that community</I>? Your users deserve more than inane vagaries. They deserve a detailed statement of principles, a new Terms of Service to go with your new vision for <I>what community we want to build</I>. Tell us, Mr. Berkowitz. Will it be a community where people can freely discuss and explore human sexuality in all its forms? Will it be a community where people can freely tell stories about their favorite characters from fandom? Will it be a community where people can express themselves fully and openly, without needing to fear that their identity might not be <I>what we think is appropriate</I>?

Or will this community continue down the road you have set it on today? Will it be a place where users need to self-censor their thoughts, their stories, even their interest lists&mdash;just in case they don't match <I>what we think is appropriate</I>? Will it be a place where users are suspended arbitrarily, without warning, without even a standard by which they can know <I>what we think is appropriate</I> and conduct themselves accordingly? Will it be a place where a <A HREF="http://www.warriorsforinnocence.org/">tiny group of nutters</A> with <A HREF="http://community.livejournal.com/dark_christian/830650.html">unpleasant connections</A> can speak a few words to your advertisers, and suddenly <I>what we think is appropriate</I> shifts overnight? Will it be a place like most other places in this world, where only certain words, certain thoughts, certain <I>people</I> are <I>what we think is appropriate</I>, and everything else is cast out into the darkness and called <I>Other</I>?

Tell us, Mr. Berkowitz. The choice is yours. Your users&mdash;your customers&mdash;are listening.
Posted by nleseul (2 comments )
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Argh... repost with line breaks added
Sorry... reposting with line breaks, to spare you the eye pain.

<P>Mr. Berkowitz,

<P>After a couple hundred suspensions and two days of panic and confusion among the LiveJournal userbase, I am pleased to see that you have finally deigned to comment on this fracas. Admittedly, your first comments are directed to <A HREF="http://news.cbsi.com/Mass+deletion+sparks+LiveJournal+revolt/2100-1025_3-6187619.html?tag=st.num">CNet</A> rather than to your userbase, but you commented nevertheless. You had your chance to explain yourself, to apologize to the users whose journals contained no illegal content and were wrongly suspended. But you chose not to. Instead, you had this to say:

<blockquote>Our decision here was not based on pure legal issues. It was based on what community we want to build and what we think is appropriate within that community and what's not.</blockquote>

<P>Those are your words. They are printed in bold red type on the CNet article. With those words, you have made it clear that the responsibility for this debacle lies squarely with <I>you</I>&mdash;not with the nutters at Warriors for Innocence, whatever their involvement, but with <I>you</I>. And your userbase is going to remember them for a very long time, with any luck. After the LiveJournal abuse team has spent all day <A HREF="http://femmequixotic.livejournal.com/292480.html?nc=165">telling</A> the owners of suspended journals and communities that the decision to suspend them based strictly on items in their interest lists was a move made to protect LiveJournal from liability, you contradicted them and disclosed that the actions taken against those journals were "not based on pure legal issues." No, they were based on the loftier goals of <I>what community we want to build</I> and <I>what we think is appropriate within that community and what's not</I>.

<P>Who is "we," Mr. Berkowitz? Do you really mean just "you"? Do you mean SixApart's board of directors? The administrators and support team of LiveJournal? Or is it really your advertisers you mean? One thing is for sure, Mr. Berkowitz&mdash;you are <I>not</I> speaking for me.

<P>So, whomever you're speaking for, you say that you're doing this on the basis of <I>what community we want to build</I>? You've suddenly had a new epiphany about <I>what community we want to build</I>? You <A HREF="http://community.livejournal.com/innocence_jihad/23599.html">changed your mind</A> remarkably quickly; <I>what is appropriate within that community</I> now seems to be a rather radical departure from what was appropriate a few months ago. And you've decided to move forward with this new vision of <I>what community we want to build</I> without any announcements on the news page? Without any requests for feedback from the <I>members</I> of said community? Without any warning whatsoever? Overnight, LiveJournal's long-standing commitment to freedom of expression is thrown out, to be replaced with <I>what we think is approprate within that community</I>?

<P>Mr. Berkowitz, arrogant patriarchs since the dawn of history have been making decrees about <I>what community we want to build</I>. They've been dividing the world into <I>what we think is appropriate</I>, and <I>what's not</I>. They've drawn circles of firelight and declared everything beyond the circle the <I>Other</I>, the outcast, the enemy. They've used fear of the enemy to justify the arbitrary strictures they place upon the righteous, to keep the shadows at bay. Only in the modern world, illuminated not by the flickering torches of superstition but by the flourescent lightbulb of reason, have cultures rejected the arrogant patriarch and begun to accept the Other into the light, begun to realize that right and wrong, good and evil are based on a higher truth than simply <I>what we think is appropriate</I> and <I>what's not</I>. The culture of the Internet is the highest realization of that ideal, and LiveJournal was once a brilliant example of that culture. But you, Mr. Berkowitz&mdash;you have redrawn the circle and told your users that the shadows&mdash;all but a dozen of them, at least&mdash;are a thing to be feared. They are not <I>what we think is appropriate</I>.

<P>Look&mdash;unlike most people these days, I trust capitalism. When SixApart bought LiveJournal, I trusted it&mdash;surely it would just increase the site's access to money and talent, and wouldn't force any kind of change to the core philosophy of the service. When the advertisements began to appear, I trusted it&mdash;it's okay to take in enough money to keep the site running and make a decent profit, and they'll be opt-in anyway, right? But today you have violated that trust. Whether it's the influence of your advertisers or your own misguided vision of <I>what community we want to build</I>, you have used your power as owner of LiveJournal to twist it into something it was never meant to be.

<P>Will I leave LiveJournal over this, as so many of your users are now promising to do? No, I will not. Out of love for the friends I have here, and out of respect for the quality of the site&mdash;a quality imbued in it by its original creators and owners, not by any subsequent corporate parasites&mdash;I will stay. But&mdash;if your words today are representative of the direction of the site&mdash;I will never buy a paid account. I will never upgrade to a plus account. I will never click on the ads on any other user's journal. I will use it as it was intended to be used&mdash;freely, until you decide that my use of it is no longer <I>what we think is appropriate</I>.

<P>But I want to know, Mr. Berkowitz&mdash;what <I>is</I> the <I>community we want to build</I>? What is <I>appropriate within that community</I>? Your users deserve more than inane vagaries. They deserve a detailed statement of principles, a new Terms of Service to go with your new vision for <I>what community we want to build</I>. Tell us, Mr. Berkowitz. Will it be a community where people can freely discuss and explore human sexuality in all its forms? Will it be a community where people can freely tell stories about their favorite characters from fandom? Will it be a community where people can express themselves fully and openly, without needing to fear that their identity might not be <I>what we think is appropriate</I>?

<P>Or will this community continue down the road you have set it on today? Will it be a place where users need to self-censor their thoughts, their stories, even their interest lists&mdash;just in case they don't match <I>what we think is appropriate</I>? Will it be a place where users are suspended arbitrarily, without warning, without even a standard by which they can know <I>what we think is appropriate</I> and conduct themselves accordingly? Will it be a place where a <A HREF="http://www.warriorsforinnocence.org/">tiny group of nutters</A> with <A HREF="http://community.livejournal.com/dark_christian/830650.html">unpleasant connections</A> can speak a few words to your advertisers, and suddenly <I>what we think is appropriate</I> shifts overnight? Will it be a place like most other places in this world, where only certain words, certain thoughts, certain <I>people</I> are <I>what we think is appropriate</I>, and everything else is cast out into the darkness and called <I>Other</I>?

<P>Tell us, Mr. Berkowitz. The choice is yours. Your users&mdash;your customers&mdash;are listening.
Posted by nleseul (2 comments )
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Outraged By Selective Deletion
This issue has really sickened me; but for an altogether different reason. About a year ago, a person added me to his friend's list. Upon further inspection, I found that this person had many posts in his journal about wanting to sleep with underage girls. This frightened me because this was on my personal journal where I post about my family, which includes my 4 year old child.

Of course, I reported his journal to the LJ Abuse Team hoping they would remove him from my journal at least, if not suspend him. But their answer to me was that it's a practice of LJ to allow freedom of speech and as long as he had no pictures of himself depicting the act, I was basically S.O.L. I accepted this, ban_set him from my journal and locked my personal posts.

After hearing about the mass suspensions yesterday I went to my user page to see if he had been suspended finally, and alas, he's still there. Still perverted as ever.

Why would LJ shut down SUPPORT groups but leave this guy to share his twisted fantasies with anyone he chooses? It makes no sense.

"fetishguy5142" is an actual pedophile and child molestor. His interests list alone lists almost all of the "keywords" that LJ has been suspending. This is outrageous!

I have, again, contacted the LJ Abuse Team about this guy and if further action is not taken; I will be leaving LiveJournal.

If LJ wanted to "do the right thing" they would have shut this guy down when it was first brought to their attention; not let him continue on hurting children and preying on the innocent.
Posted by divineundone (1 comment )
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LiveJournal just killed itself.
So long...

another footnote in the history of the Web.

We understand your aim, but the bot you've used to "clean out" your system, cleaned out many legitimate, and irreplaceable works.

How many people will trust you now with their blogs and postings?
Posted by Maccess (610 comments )
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I found these on LJ, yet fandom needs to be deleted
I don;t post these to promote them, because it makes me want to vomit.

I want to know how these violent, hateful journals can remain, while journals that contained fiction about two homosexuals of consenting age had to go.

I found the following on LJ, which are much more disturbing than the fandom journals. Please bring this to light.

First KK and white nationalism
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://community.livejournal.com/folk_and_faith/profile" target="_newWindow">http://community.livejournal.com/folk_and_faith/profile</a>
As an example I am not putting them all here. There were 10 results.

A journal for the Nzi part after looking for the interest anti-jew
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://community.livejournal.com/nazi_regime/" target="_newWindow">http://community.livejournal.com/nazi_regime/</a>
There was another result.

A REVOLTING anti women site. when typing in the search anti-women
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://community.livejournal.com/anti_womens/profile" target="_newWindow">http://community.livejournal.com/anti_womens/profile</a>
there were 5 results

An anti alternate sexuality LJ after typing anti-lesbian.
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://community.livejournal.com/anti_alt_sexual/" target="_newWindow">http://community.livejournal.com/anti_alt_sexual/</a>

A disturbing anti-gay community after typing anti-gay
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://community.livejournal.com/_anti_gay_/" target="_newWindow">http://community.livejournal.com/_anti_gay_/</a>
There were five results
Posted by dearprudence31 (1 comment )
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I am so disgusted...
You know, the actual *users* and might I also point out *customers* of livejournal, have been waiting for a response about this matter since the early hours of the morning.

And we finally get one...kind of.

*** 6A/LJ. Seriously? You can give an interview to Cnet, but you can't even bother to let your own users know whats going on? We called. We e-mailed. We took over that news post about the moo cards. Seriously! from page 6 of the comments to page 100 (probably more now) is *full* of pissed of LJers who decided to say "Hey, guess what? Dedicated user who is no longer so dedicated. Money? For you? Um...NOPE."

Way to alienate us. Really.

Never shall we die. But you? You might, lj.
Posted by ladydragon543 (1 comment )
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And so we hoist the colors
*points at the comments* LJ only allows 5001 comments on any one post.

Which means it's done there, at the page 100, and it's either going to the previous posts or waiting like nice little internet users until they update with their long lost explanatory statement *frowning slightly* oh how I wish to read that one...
Posted by nerami (1 comment )
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LJ staff is volunteers
Who are very poor at enforcing the rules at all, filing tickets at this point is pretty useless I'm afraid.

But I did hear a paid staffer of LJ put a video on Youtube apologizing for what happened.
Posted by Hardrada (359 comments )
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Abusive terms of service. Shun Live Journal.
Quoted below is a section of the Terms Of Service that you agree to (and you shouldn't for obvious reasons) should you want to be on LiveJournal. Personally I wouldn't even use their free service, little alone pay them money. But read for yourself:

XI TERMINATION

You agree that LiveJournal, in its sole discretion, may terminate your password, journal, or account, and remove and discard any content within the Service, for any reason, including and without limitation, the lack of use, or if LiveJournal believes that you have violated or acted inconsistently with the letter or spirit of the TOS. Any contracts, verbal or written or assumed, in conjunction with your deleted journal and all its parts, at LiveJournal's discretion, will be terminated as well. LiveJournal may also, in its sole discretion and at any time, discontinue providing the Service, or any part thereof, with or without notice. You agree that any termination of your access to the Service under any provision of this TOS may be effected without prior notice, and acknowledge and agree that LiveJournal may immediately deactivate or delete your LiveJournal journal and all related information and files. LiveJournal reserves the right to bar any further access to such files or the Service. You agree that LiveJournal shall not be liable to you or any third-party for any termination of your access to the Service. Paid accounts that are terminated will not be refunded.
Posted by feliusrex (48 comments )
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That's...problematic
The problem is that a lot of us have been members since before
that part of the ToS was instated, and we have a lot on livejournal -
friends, communities, connections - that is really very hard to
leave, or to move en mass to another similar provider (not least
because convincing everyone we're connected to at all to move to
the same site would be extremely difficult).
But they're sure as hell not getting any more of my money, either,
and I'm not going near any page that has ads.
Posted by squishycat (4 comments )
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The voice that Livejournal Built
I, and a lot of the livejournal users, are big proponents of free speech. In fact, that is why we chose to go to livejournal for our blogging needs. For as long as it has been around, Livejournal has allowed networking and communities spring up and flourish, with generally only harrassment issues causing deletions. Actually, Livejournal has allowed many people find their voice in a censored world.

With this being true, I was greatly offended by the mass deletions on Livejournal yesterday. While I understand that it is wise to delete communities encouraging pedophilia and other Illegal sexual activities, There is a vast difference between that and what happened the other day. In their rush, the Livejournal team indiscriminately deleted RPG players, Art comms, literary comms reading the novel Lolita, and even Pedophilia/incest survivor communities. Were they the government, this would be a case that would rock the country's legal system.

As it is, this is on an independant, for-profit site. Thus, only the voice that Livejournal originally granted us can save us all from irrational censorship.

I've been on livejournal for 5 or 6 years now. I've found that livejournal is a positive and flexible space, and it is not one that I will give up easily. I, and my fellow users, will fight back for the place we love until the last stand.

sincerely,

Livejournal user NicoCoer, aka Savannah Nicole Logsdon
Posted by nicocoer (1 comment )
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stupid mistake not everyone or anyone can make...
If they're going to apologize, at least have the decency to give a sincere apology.

Sorry, LJ|SixApart, but you have just lost yourself thousands of paying consumers.

Get this, renewed subscriptions? no thanks...not if I'm going to be at risk of deletion for writing about fanfictions on my fandom.

As for "WFI", you were the catalyst for LJ's "mistake" though I'm sure you had your good intentions.
Posted by lilswtangel (1 comment )
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The internet is not "civil"
and there are no "Civil rights" as such.

Never ever forget that portals such as yahoo, craigslist, livejournal and all the rest of them-- are not public common property, but are privately owned. If you want to homestead go for it, but remember the landlord can kick you off at any time and will be within his rights to do so.

If you want to talk about anything that the mainstream bunch might possibly find objectionable, protect yourself by keeping downloads of all your communications. On livejournal, the url is; <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.livejournal.com/export_do.bml" target="_newWindow">http://www.livejournal.com/export_do.bml</a>
you can download one month at a time, and I just took care of two comms and my own journal this evening.
I'll keep the data saved on CD's.

If you find yourselves censored, you will have to buy your own piece of land, so to speak; register a domain and put yourselves on a server that offers free speech guarantees. There are plenty of portal softwares available to upload and put to use.

No matter what the officials are trying to do-- thus far, the internet is still a do-it-yourself place.
Posted by Astrophil (6 comments )
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