Digital kids

Kids outsmart Web filters

By Stefanie Olsen
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: April 19, 2006 4:00 AM PST

Last November, Ryan, a high-school sophomore, figured out a way to outsmart the Web filters on a school PC in order to visit the off-limits MySpace.com while doing "homework" in the computer lab.

A teacher eventually spotted the social network on the screen in front of "Ryan," a fictitious name for a real student attending school in Phoenix, Ore., a small town with a population of about 5,000. The teacher flagged the activity for the school's technology expert, who then followed Ryan's tracks online through the school network.

Ryan had apparently set up a so-called Web proxy from his home computer so that when he was at school, he could direct requests for banned sites like MySpace through a Web address at home, thereby tricking the school's filter. (Web, or CGI, proxies can be Web sites or applications that allow users to access other sites through them.)

"I eventually tracked down the (Internet Protocol) address, so that it doesn't work for him anymore," said Don Wolff, tech coordinator in the Phoenix-Talent School District, adding that Ryan didn't face disciplinary action. "It's against our acceptable-use policy, but he's not going to quit trying, (and this way) we can keep learning."

"This is a hot new trend among kids for getting around Web filters," Wolff said.

"It's going to be the constant battle. No matter what you put up, kids are going to work around it."
-- Lynn Beebe, school counselor

Web proxies are almost as old as the Internet itself as a means to route Web traffic through an anonymous domain name or circumvent content-filters, and they've long been the territory of corporate networks and the tech savvy seeking privacy. Nowadays, an increasing number of teenagers are setting up proxies on home PCs to sidestep school filtering traps, in addition to using free proxies set up on the Web, according to technologists at schools and at content-filtering technology providers.

Proxies are just one of many tricks that kids use to break locks put on forbidden material--a pursuit of almost any young generation. As more schools place tight controls on PCs to stop kids from file-sharing, instant messaging, social networking or looking at undesirable material online, the kids are getting more clever, tech experts say.

Google, by far the most popular search site, has a "safe search" feature, for example, that filters out adult material. But kids can circumvent those filters by viewing "cached" links or thumbnail images to look at inappropriate material, experts say. Teens also trick filters by typing in misspelled words or modern slang to retrieve links to racy material. Translation sites Babelfish or Google Translate can deliver sites like Playboy.com translated from another language.

"It's going to be the constant battle. No matter what you put up, kids are going to work around it," said Lynn Beebe, a school counselor in Scotts Valley, Calif. Her school, for example, uses filters to block all sites with the word or subject "blog," in addition to other sites.

But there's no foolproof solution. Beebe said that a small population of boys at the school use their free time to play games online. Sometimes they've shared with her that when they mistakenly type in a URL, an undesirable site appears, she said.

A more popular avenue for teens on school PCs is to visit any one of thousands of Web proxy sites such as Proxify, Guardster.com and Proxy.org to call up banned sites without notice, according to filtering companies.

Kevin Sanders, senior software engineer at Lightspeed Systems, maker of a content-filtering system called Total Traffic Control, said he targets such proxy sites in a master database of thousands of barred sites for school clients.

Proxies can get trickier.

"A far more difficult problem to deal with is when they download a piece of software on their home computer, using a CGI script to (access content). Our product doesn't recognize it as a known domain, because it's just going through their home computer," said Sanders.

Web sites like Freeproxy point visitors to many free downloadable applications like "Hidemyass.com" that let kids work around content filters in a more surreptitious way. Teen blogs can also be found that point kids to proxies for school filters.

How to deal with it? "We block all requests going to unknown sites," Sanders said. Lightspeed keeps a database of roughly 2 million recognized sites categorized in groups like News, Adult or Violence. School clients or administrators of the product can limit access so kids can access only acceptable categories such as News or Education. For Sanders, if a site goes unrecognized, he simply bans it.

"We also have a new feature coming out very soon which will allow us to dynamically detect the use of CGI-based proxies and block that session and send a notification to the network administrator," said Sanders.

Send insights or tips on this topic to stefanie.olsen@cnet.com.

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Block it as it happens
Filters are a good start, but the parents need to keep an eye on what's going on. We tell our customers to block sites they 'see' their kids going to.

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Posted by bfleming98 (31 comments )
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PARENTS DON"T GOTO SCHOOL WITH THEIR KIDS
Do you?
Posted by baswwe (299 comments )
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Block it as it happens
Filters are a good start, but the parents need to keep an eye on what's going on. We tell our customers to block sites they 'see' their kids going to.

- Bryan
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Posted by bfleming98 (31 comments )
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PARENTS DON"T GOTO SCHOOL WITH THEIR KIDS
Do you?
Posted by baswwe (299 comments )
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key log
i work in a school computer lab. i make it known that i keep track of every keypress in the lab. mine is a resource class, so my class isnt for research or paper typing. lasses come in and sit in assigned seats. i do random key combination searches. when something fishy comes up, i can look at the time stamp and the CPU it was on and work from there.

the watchdog program only keeps me from doing homework for my own college courses from work.
Posted by davaal (74 comments )
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Posted by Micah Fitch (14 comments )
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Thats an invaision of privacy
Keylogging is a huge invasion of privacy what happens if a person is writting about something personal or paticulary sensitive. And what about using email to send a document to yourself or anything of the sort. the day that my school starts keylogging the computers is the day i transfer.

This practise you use is vile and sickning i suggest you stop immediatly
Posted by lemonshark10 (3 comments )
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key log
i work in a school computer lab. i make it known that i keep track of every keypress in the lab. mine is a resource class, so my class isnt for research or paper typing. lasses come in and sit in assigned seats. i do random key combination searches. when something fishy comes up, i can look at the time stamp and the CPU it was on and work from there.

the watchdog program only keeps me from doing homework for my own college courses from work.
Posted by davaal (74 comments )
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Thats an invaision of privacy
Keylogging is a huge invasion of privacy what happens if a person is writting about something personal or paticulary sensitive. And what about using email to send a document to yourself or anything of the sort. the day that my school starts keylogging the computers is the day i transfer.

This practise you use is vile and sickning i suggest you stop immediatly
Posted by lemonshark10 (3 comments )
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key log
i work in a school computer lab. i make it known that i keep track of every keypress in the lab. mine is a resource class, so my class isnt for research or paper typing. classes come in and sit in assigned seats. i do random key combination searches. when something fishy comes up, i can look at the time stamp and the CPU it was on and work from there.

the watchdog program only keeps me from doing homework for my own college courses from work.
Posted by davaal (74 comments )
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key log
i work in a school computer lab. i make it known that i keep track of every keypress in the lab. mine is a resource class, so my class isnt for research or paper typing. classes come in and sit in assigned seats. i do random key combination searches. when something fishy comes up, i can look at the time stamp and the CPU it was on and work from there.

the watchdog program only keeps me from doing homework for my own college courses from work.
Posted by davaal (74 comments )
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Parental Control
Another case where parents need to take more control of their kids lives and know what they're doing.
Not computer savy? Ask someone
Posted by phago (2 comments )
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The cane
When the teacher caught the kid on myspace he should have been sent home to be beaten bloody with a glass shard encrusted cane.

The kid obviously thought out his method of accessing the site quite extensively. And probably uses the same method to access more inappropriate material to bypass his home computers filters.

It doesnt matter how "tech savy" you are... there is always some MORE savy to get around you. Sadly now a days it is the kids being more savy than many parents.

It is more about teaching your kids right and wrong than monitoring and blocking. And when they do stray from the path they should be corrected... and that might mean hard discipline. Something more than "i'll take your gameboy away" or "you dont get to watch american idol"

I was kidding about the cane though. ;)
Posted by arluthier (112 comments )
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Im sorry but i must disagree with you on this point. Parental controll is not the issue the issue is that parents want total controll. That is impossible. Kids will always find away to avoid parental veiw. That is not a toyal bad thing however. Kids need their own private lives just as much as we do and invading that privacy only makes them resist us more. We give them their own space and they will give us ours. Think back to when you were a kid. Did you constantly have your parents looking over your shoulder, no you had your own time and you wanted to keep it that way. That is exactly how these kids feel. Don't get me wrong their going on social sites while in school when they are supposed to be doing work is not a good thing, but we need to allow them some space.
Posted by polotician1 (6 comments )
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Parental Control
Another case where parents need to take more control of their kids lives and know what they're doing.
Not computer savy? Ask someone
Posted by phago (2 comments )
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The cane
When the teacher caught the kid on myspace he should have been sent home to be beaten bloody with a glass shard encrusted cane.

The kid obviously thought out his method of accessing the site quite extensively. And probably uses the same method to access more inappropriate material to bypass his home computers filters.

It doesnt matter how "tech savy" you are... there is always some MORE savy to get around you. Sadly now a days it is the kids being more savy than many parents.

It is more about teaching your kids right and wrong than monitoring and blocking. And when they do stray from the path they should be corrected... and that might mean hard discipline. Something more than "i'll take your gameboy away" or "you dont get to watch american idol"

I was kidding about the cane though. ;)
Posted by arluthier (112 comments )
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by polotician1 January 25, 2010 7:02 AM PST
Im sorry but i must disagree with you on this point. Parental controll is not the issue the issue is that parents want total controll. That is impossible. Kids will always find away to avoid parental veiw. That is not a toyal bad thing however. Kids need their own private lives just as much as we do and invading that privacy only makes them resist us more. We give them their own space and they will give us ours. Think back to when you were a kid. Did you constantly have your parents looking over your shoulder, no you had your own time and you wanted to keep it that way. That is exactly how these kids feel. Don't get me wrong their going on social sites while in school when they are supposed to be doing work is not a good thing, but we need to allow them some space
Posted by polotician1 (6 comments )
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Transparent Proxy
Transparent proxying solves this very problem and is what should, most definately, be used in environments where security concerns are greater.
Posted by RVictim87 (4 comments )
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Exactly.
This is not rocket science.

It's quite easy to just block everything by default and allow specific protocols / sites.

Furthermore, it does NOT even need to be a transparent proxy - you can require students to login to the proxy. Everything can be monitored and logged.

Hell, there is no need to even give the kids internet access unless they are working on a specific class project. If they want to chat or play on MySpace, they can do so at home.

Administration / teachers computers should be on an isolated vlan from students and can have very different rulesets.

Kids that violate the school policy should just be suspended and or banned from using the schools computers and be done with it. Why mess around??? Why play these little games at all?
Posted by waltsjc (19 comments )
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Transparent Proxy
Transparent proxying solves this very problem and is what should, most definately, be used in environments where security concerns are greater.
Posted by RVictim87 (4 comments )
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Exactly.
This is not rocket science.

It's quite easy to just block everything by default and allow specific protocols / sites.

Furthermore, it does NOT even need to be a transparent proxy - you can require students to login to the proxy. Everything can be monitored and logged.

Hell, there is no need to even give the kids internet access unless they are working on a specific class project. If they want to chat or play on MySpace, they can do so at home.

Administration / teachers computers should be on an isolated vlan from students and can have very different rulesets.

Kids that violate the school policy should just be suspended and or banned from using the schools computers and be done with it. Why mess around??? Why play these little games at all?
Posted by waltsjc (19 comments )
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hehe
We did this in school all the time nearly a decade ago. Our school did the same thing then, though not as many people has broadband then as they do now.
Posted by chuchucuhi (233 comments )
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hehe
We did this in school all the time nearly a decade ago. Our school did the same thing then, though not as many people has broadband then as they do now.
Posted by chuchucuhi (233 comments )
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Censorship!
It should be up to the schools to tell the children what is "good" to look at or what is "Bad" to look at. It is amazing how the american people have be come so accustom to censorship in or everyday lives. It should be the parents resposibility to be teaching the children what is "good" or "bad" to look at on the internet.
If they (the parents) would teach little Johnny or Suzy the hazards of the internet at home and make them understand that it "could" be a dangerous or bad place to go at times, then all this GOVERNMENT CENSORSHIP wouldnt be taking place. We can not watch TV without government sensorship...now we are letting them take over the internet a little bit a time. Before long, we will need to ask permission to go to googles home page because someone is offended by the 2 "O's" in the name because the look to much like a part of the female anatomy!!!
Posted by Genisis (4 comments )
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Lighten up with the melodrama.
That's hilarious. You're actually suggesting that it's sensorship (sic) to monitor a student's use of the Internet while in a study program during school...while on school grounds...while using school equipment.

Students are also encouraged to read at school, but it doesn't give them unlimited license to bring pornography on school grounds lest it be called censorship.

This isn't about accessing informative content of a controversial nature or banning books from school libraries. It's about stopping kids from looking at porn and wasting their day on My Space when they should be working. This is just an updated version of telling a kid to stop passing notes back and forth during class.

Before crying foul and waving your arms around in mock hysteria while making silly theatrical statements about GOVERNMENT CENSORSHIP, you should step back and realize that the Internet is not being censored. The United States Department of Education isn't shutting down offensive sites or restricting the content being distributed. An individual school is telling its students, "Don't go to these sites while you're at school". The sites themselves are still there and fully accessible by machines not on school grounds.

I suppose it's more fun to act as though this is just another sign of American complacency at the inevitability of an Orwellian society.

Please.

A bit of advice. Save the bell ringing for reasons that cause merit so as not to dilute the inertia of the message. Actual censorship should be fought on every count. This type of fluff just distracts from any worthwhile argument.

As far as "It's the parent's job" statements...

Last time I checked, parents didn't attend school with their children to watch over their shoulder. And children tended to do things even when they were raised not to do them. It's a popular argument, I'll admit, but all of society's ills do not automatically fall on the parent's shoulders in every scenario. Pressing a button to make objectionable material inaccessible during school hours achieves the task even when children do things that they're told not to do...which actually does happen from time to time.
Posted by iammilo (16 comments )
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I disagree
Shouldn't a person decide what he or she would like to view, how can the government decide what is right and wrong for every person? I still dont see what the fuss is about all those sites like myspace that children visit, as long as you are responasible with them what harm can it do, plus in school they still have to show that they did their work and its their own responsibility to do it and if they think they can manage with some desteractions I think it should be allowed.
Posted by IceTea1 (2 comments )
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Censorship!
It should be up to the schools to tell the children what is "good" to look at or what is "Bad" to look at. It is amazing how the american people have be come so accustom to censorship in or everyday lives. It should be the parents resposibility to be teaching the children what is "good" or "bad" to look at on the internet.
If they (the parents) would teach little Johnny or Suzy the hazards of the internet at home and make them understand that it "could" be a dangerous or bad place to go at times, then all this GOVERNMENT CENSORSHIP wouldnt be taking place. We can not watch TV without government sensorship...now we are letting them take over the internet a little bit a time. Before long, we will need to ask permission to go to googles home page because someone is offended by the 2 "O's" in the name because the look to much like a part of the female anatomy!!!
Posted by Genisis (4 comments )
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Lighten up with the melodrama.
That's hilarious. You're actually suggesting that it's sensorship (sic) to monitor a student's use of the Internet while in a study program during school...while on school grounds...while using school equipment.

Students are also encouraged to read at school, but it doesn't give them unlimited license to bring pornography on school grounds lest it be called censorship.

This isn't about accessing informative content of a controversial nature or banning books from school libraries. It's about stopping kids from looking at porn and wasting their day on My Space when they should be working. This is just an updated version of telling a kid to stop passing notes back and forth during class.

Before crying foul and waving your arms around in mock hysteria while making silly theatrical statements about GOVERNMENT CENSORSHIP, you should step back and realize that the Internet is not being censored. The United States Department of Education isn't shutting down offensive sites or restricting the content being distributed. An individual school is telling its students, "Don't go to these sites while you're at school". The sites themselves are still there and fully accessible by machines not on school grounds.

I suppose it's more fun to act as though this is just another sign of American complacency at the inevitability of an Orwellian society.

Please.

A bit of advice. Save the bell ringing for reasons that cause merit so as not to dilute the inertia of the message. Actual censorship should be fought on every count. This type of fluff just distracts from any worthwhile argument.

As far as "It's the parent's job" statements...

Last time I checked, parents didn't attend school with their children to watch over their shoulder. And children tended to do things even when they were raised not to do them. It's a popular argument, I'll admit, but all of society's ills do not automatically fall on the parent's shoulders in every scenario. Pressing a button to make objectionable material inaccessible during school hours achieves the task even when children do things that they're told not to do...which actually does happen from time to time.
Posted by iammilo (16 comments )
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I disagree
Shouldn't a person decide what he or she would like to view, how can the government decide what is right and wrong for every person? I still dont see what the fuss is about all those sites like myspace that children visit, as long as you are responasible with them what harm can it do, plus in school they still have to show that they did their work and its their own responsibility to do it and if they think they can manage with some desteractions I think it should be allowed.
Posted by IceTea1 (2 comments )
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Or block port 80?
That's what it's going to come down to. And you know it. At least, that's what they started to talk aboit in my high school my last year. And only unblocking for some computers in the lab. Sure, it's a lot of work to setup, but it's possible.

Heck, they already do it to block email, and instant messageing. Sure, they won't be able to block gmail chats, but that's trite in comparisen.

My old high school lab tech also had the ability to lock our screens; black it out, make mouse and keyboard strikes disappear. And rather easily, too. They would also block image searches. Period. You had to ask permission from a teacher who had access or the lab tech on duty. Who would probably be watching your computer screen anyway. And don't think they'd come around to your computer to login either; no, they would take control of the computer via some program, and type it in remotely via their computer.

We used to proxy our way out of the network; which was being monitored as I was told after I graduated by the senior tech. They let us do it because we wen't doing anything dumb. Just checking our email, and doing research on topics which normally would have had to ask permission to do. So in short, I could just say, we wern't stupid enough to surf porn on school computers.

And just to mention -- students don't have many rights while in school. Even after the age of 18. Not until they leave school grounds, or graduate.
Posted by HayesA (10 comments )
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What about 3389?
I prefer to remote-desktop into my home computer and surf the web from there. No tracing at all, heh, heh!
Posted by Neo Con (247 comments )
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It is called Remote Desktop...
I used to work in lab at college where we used Apple's Remote Desktop to look at a user's screen whether they were on a PC or a Mac. It was a great tool. We actually caught a few guys surfing porn. Often, though, we wouldn't look unless there was a compelling reason why we should. Sometimes it could be someone acting strange or someone else is complaining.
Posted by blueice03 (12 comments )
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Kids computer smart!
I read your thing about blocking port 80 but if they block most of
the used ports, there are always those sites that give the wierd
ones like 81 and such. The funny thing at our school is that
everyone gets school issued Mac's and most of the kids have
already hacked it and made it so you can disable anything you
want. Last year was the same but last year we had remote desktop,
it was some funny stuff. Got to remember that kids are computer
smart these days.
Posted by TweedleDum (9 comments )
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blocking just one port won't do a thing...
I go to a high school where there school issued laptops, and it is a constant battle with the school's tech, with one trying to stay ahead of the other. the battle started with a somewhat weak proxy on the school's side, some content filtering, but only on the web browser. The anonymous web proxy's were sure to follow. The obvious ones, such as hidemyass.com, proxy.org, etc. were blocked, but many were overlooked by the content filter. IM and P2P were easy to use, Gmail was unblocked by the filter, and although myspace had a problem with logging in over the anonymous ip's which hid myspace.com in the address bar. For a long time, the only threat by the school was that the IT tech had a program that could see thumbnails of everyone's computer screens, as long as they were connected to the internet. I, along with many of the school's smarter students, realized that since the IT tech taught classes, there were an average of 2 periods a day she could be using her time to watch the computers, and this vulnerability was heightened by the fact that the IT tech posted a list of what periods she would be in classes and unable to fix computer problems right on her door, making it easy to keep track of when you were in some danger. One day, the school finally took notice, and invested money in a much more powerful proxy service, one which blocked all of the known proxy bypassers and email, and also blocked IM and P2P programs. Through some research on my part of their website, the makers boasted that it had never been broken, and it also blocked all ports, other than port 80. of course, that can't be used for other programs, and as long as they still let us use the internet, it will stay open.
Posted by gh0st3000 (3 comments )
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VPN?
What about VPN? If he can set up a proxy box vpn is pretty easy too. I have gotten blocked by school blocker when I forgot to disconnect from the vpn. Lots of ways other then just port 80.
Posted by seduffy (3 comments )
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Or block port 80?
That's what it's going to come down to. And you know it. At least, that's what they started to talk aboit in my high school my last year. And only unblocking for some computers in the lab. Sure, it's a lot of work to setup, but it's possible.

Heck, they already do it to block email, and instant messageing. Sure, they won't be able to block gmail chats, but that's trite in comparisen.

My old high school lab tech also had the ability to lock our screens; black it out, make mouse and keyboard strikes disappear. And rather easily, too. They would also block image searches. Period. You had to ask permission from a teacher who had access or the lab tech on duty. Who would probably be watching your computer screen anyway. And don't think they'd come around to your computer to login either; no, they would take control of the computer via some program, and type it in remotely via their computer.

We used to proxy our way out of the network; which was being monitored as I was told after I graduated by the senior tech. They let us do it because we wen't doing anything dumb. Just checking our email, and doing research on topics which normally would have had to ask permission to do. So in short, I could just say, we wern't stupid enough to surf porn on school computers.

And just to mention -- students don't have many rights while in school. Even after the age of 18. Not until they leave school grounds, or graduate.
Posted by HayesA (10 comments )
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What about 3389?
I prefer to remote-desktop into my home computer and surf the web from there. No tracing at all, heh, heh!
Posted by Neo Con (247 comments )
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It is called Remote Desktop...
I used to work in lab at college where we used Apple's Remote Desktop to look at a user's screen whether they were on a PC or a Mac. It was a great tool. We actually caught a few guys surfing porn. Often, though, we wouldn't look unless there was a compelling reason why we should. Sometimes it could be someone acting strange or someone else is complaining.
Posted by blueice03 (12 comments )
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Kids computer smart!
I read your thing about blocking port 80 but if they block most of
the used ports, there are always those sites that give the wierd
ones like 81 and such. The funny thing at our school is that
everyone gets school issued Mac's and most of the kids have
already hacked it and made it so you can disable anything you
want. Last year was the same but last year we had remote desktop,
it was some funny stuff. Got to remember that kids are computer
smart these days.
Posted by TweedleDum (9 comments )
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blocking just one port won't do a thing...
I go to a high school where there school issued laptops, and it is a constant battle with the school's tech, with one trying to stay ahead of the other. the battle started with a somewhat weak proxy on the school's side, some content filtering, but only on the web browser. The anonymous web proxy's were sure to follow. The obvious ones, such as hidemyass.com, proxy.org, etc. were blocked, but many were overlooked by the content filter. IM and P2P were easy to use, Gmail was unblocked by the filter, and although myspace had a problem with logging in over the anonymous ip's which hid myspace.com in the address bar. For a long time, the only threat by the school was that the IT tech had a program that could see thumbnails of everyone's computer screens, as long as they were connected to the internet. I, along with many of the school's smarter students, realized that since the IT tech taught classes, there were an average of 2 periods a day she could be using her time to watch the computers, and this vulnerability was heightened by the fact that the IT tech posted a list of what periods she would be in classes and unable to fix computer problems right on her door, making it easy to keep track of when you were in some danger. One day, the school finally took notice, and invested money in a much more powerful proxy service, one which blocked all of the known proxy bypassers and email, and also blocked IM and P2P programs. Through some research on my part of their website, the makers boasted that it had never been broken, and it also blocked all ports, other than port 80. of course, that can't be used for other programs, and as long as they still let us use the internet, it will stay open.
Posted by gh0st3000 (3 comments )
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VPN?
What about VPN? If he can set up a proxy box vpn is pretty easy too. I have gotten blocked by school blocker when I forgot to disconnect from the vpn. Lots of ways other then just port 80.
Posted by seduffy (3 comments )
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That leaves you open, though!
Thanks for telling me which port you use to remote desktop. ;)

Oh wow, credit card numbers! SS number! Oooh! and a United
States Education PIN! Thanks a lot, you gave me a new identity.


No, seriously, any senior tech can block any port he/she wants
whenever he/she wants. It's just a matter of knowing which
ports to block, and the ability to watch all the time for any
activity which appears to be a little... weird for school lab "work."
Posted by HayesA (10 comments )
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What's the port got to do with it?
Not sure what point you're trying to make here, but probably over 85% of all remote desktop accesses are made through port 3389 on Windows.

How's that going to give you a new identity? You'll still need an IP address, and user login and password.

I access mine through port 47382. Is that going to help you any?
Posted by TMB333 (106 comments )
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That leaves you open, though!
Thanks for telling me which port you use to remote desktop. ;)

Oh wow, credit card numbers! SS number! Oooh! and a United
States Education PIN! Thanks a lot, you gave me a new identity.


No, seriously, any senior tech can block any port he/she wants
whenever he/she wants. It's just a matter of knowing which
ports to block, and the ability to watch all the time for any
activity which appears to be a little... weird for school lab "work."
Posted by HayesA (10 comments )
Reply Link Flag
What's the port got to do with it?
Not sure what point you're trying to make here, but probably over 85% of all remote desktop accesses are made through port 3389 on Windows.

How's that going to give you a new identity? You'll still need an IP address, and user login and password.

I access mine through port 47382. Is that going to help you any?
Posted by TMB333 (106 comments )
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That leaves you open, though!
Thanks for telling me which port you use to remote desktop. ;)

Oh wow, credit card numbers! SS number! Oooh! and a United
States Education PIN! Thanks a lot, you gave me a new identity.


No, seriously, any senior tech can block any port he/she wants
whenever he/she wants. It's just a matter of knowing which
ports to block, and the ability to watch all the time for any
activity which appears to be a little... weird for school lab "work."
Posted by HayesA (10 comments )
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That leaves you open, though!
Thanks for telling me which port you use to remote desktop. ;)

Oh wow, credit card numbers! SS number! Oooh! and a United
States Education PIN! Thanks a lot, you gave me a new identity.


No, seriously, any senior tech can block any port he/she wants
whenever he/she wants. It's just a matter of knowing which
ports to block, and the ability to watch all the time for any
activity which appears to be a little... weird for school lab "work."
Posted by HayesA (10 comments )
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Censorship. . . You got a lot to learn
All government run or administered organizations, such as just about ALL public schools, CAN have their activities censored by the administrator of said organization. That means that a school principal can legally censor the activities or speech of his/her students. Whether or not it is constitutional, is up for debate. However, that is the current law.

If I ran a company, and I fired workers for looking at porn, will you seriously be yapping about censorship? They are not at school just because that was the nearest available daycare. School is an institution with a set purpose. Just as looking at porn is generally not in most people's job description, it is not under the goal and purposes of most schools. So, if someone decides to ban porn at their school, they have a legitimate right to do so.
Posted by zboot (162 comments )
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I agree 100%!
Kids have no rights in school while on school grounds, while using school equipment. Period. Why? A. Because thery're children, unde rthe age of 18, still in teh care of their parents, and, while on school grounds, in the care of the administrators. B. Because the whole idea of school is to provide a learning atmosphere, not being able to surf the web willy-nilly.

Sure, being able to email, and do research without the permission of the lab tech is sure nice, and should be allowed. But access porn websites, copyright violating websites, websites which have tools to bypass copyright prevention tools, and so forth isn't part of the learning experience. And thus, should be done on your own free time.

When I graduate college, I will probably end up being a network admin. And as such, I will have full control over what my users will be able to view and not view. Trust me, kids, if you think they havn't thought of something, and you try it. It's highly, HIGHLY probable that the network admin will know about it within the next 24 hours and will have a way to block it from happening again.
Posted by HayesA (10 comments )
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Censorship. . . You got a lot to learn
All government run or administered organizations, such as just about ALL public schools, CAN have their activities censored by the administrator of said organization. That means that a school principal can legally censor the activities or speech of his/her students. Whether or not it is constitutional, is up for debate. However, that is the current law.

If I ran a company, and I fired workers for looking at porn, will you seriously be yapping about censorship? They are not at school just because that was the nearest available daycare. School is an institution with a set purpose. Just as looking at porn is generally not in most people's job description, it is not under the goal and purposes of most schools. So, if someone decides to ban porn at their school, they have a legitimate right to do so.
Posted by zboot (162 comments )
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I agree 100%!
Kids have no rights in school while on school grounds, while using school equipment. Period. Why? A. Because thery're children, unde rthe age of 18, still in teh care of their parents, and, while on school grounds, in the care of the administrators. B. Because the whole idea of school is to provide a learning atmosphere, not being able to surf the web willy-nilly.

Sure, being able to email, and do research without the permission of the lab tech is sure nice, and should be allowed. But access porn websites, copyright violating websites, websites which have tools to bypass copyright prevention tools, and so forth isn't part of the learning experience. And thus, should be done on your own free time.

When I graduate college, I will probably end up being a network admin. And as such, I will have full control over what my users will be able to view and not view. Trust me, kids, if you think they havn't thought of something, and you try it. It's highly, HIGHLY probable that the network admin will know about it within the next 24 hours and will have a way to block it from happening again.
Posted by HayesA (10 comments )
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hell ya, been doing that for years
im a grade 12 student and i've been bypassing firewalls all through high school, usually when i need to get something from my email, or want to play a flash game.
all i had to do is google lists of cgi ssl proxies.

theres quite a few tutorials on how to get past it all like - <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://zensur.freerk.com" target="_newWindow">http://zensur.freerk.com</a>
Posted by Carusk (13 comments )
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hell ya, been doing that for years
im a grade 12 student and i've been bypassing firewalls all through high school, usually when i need to get something from my email, or want to play a flash game.
all i had to do is google lists of cgi ssl proxies.

theres quite a few tutorials on how to get past it all like - <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://zensur.freerk.com" target="_newWindow">http://zensur.freerk.com</a>
Posted by Carusk (13 comments )
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Shutdown Admin Rights
If you make them a power user or less won't that prevent them from changing their network settings and prevent them from setting up a proxy?
Posted by rexxiii (2 comments )
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I'd have to be a little less
Basic power users in widnows can still get at proxy/network settings
Posted by Bob Brinkman (559 comments )
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