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update Intel filed a motion on Wednesday asking a federal-court judge to dismiss portions of an antitrust lawsuit brought by its archrival, Advanced Micro Devices.

In the motion, Intel seeks to have the U.S. District Court in Delaware strike portions of the lawsuit that involve AMD business outside the United States. AMD has alleged that Intel violated antitrust laws by offering marketing and pricing programs that called for excluding the use of processors from rival chipmakers.

Noting that certain AMD chips are manufactured in Germany and sold to markets in Asia, Intel asked whether U.S. courts should have jurisdiction over parts of AMD's lawsuit that are connected with activities overseas.

"Before subjecting Intel to the burden of defending its foreign business practices in a U.S. Court, AMD must meet the burden of establishing that this court has subject matter jurisdiction over AMD's foreign commerce claims," Intel's brief states.

A spokesman for Intel said if the court grants its motion, the chip giant would not have to unnecessarily prepare for parts of the case that may be irrelevant. But he noted that the remaining parts of the case would still be addressed by the U.S. court.

Should Intel prevail with its motion, AMD would be prohibited from mentioning in the U.S. court case other actions that foreign antitrust agencies have taken in regard to Intel's business practices abroad.

Last year, Intel agreed to abide by the recommendations of the Japan Fair Trade Commission in its antitrust case against the chip giant. Meanwhile, the Korean Fair Trade Commission and European antitrust regulators have raided Intel's offices in the past two years.

An AMD representative has contended that Intel's motion to dismiss those portions of the case are an "effort to escape responsibility for marketplace misconduct and to inhibit fair and open competition in the microprocessor market."

In the meantime, both parties have asked the court to hold the trial in 2008.

 

Correction: This story misstated the extent of Intel's request to the court. The chipmaker is seeking only for the court to dismiss portions of AMD's case that deal with foreign business practices.

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Why US has jurisdiction
1) Intel KK is a wholly owned subsidiary of Intel.

2) AMD FAB30 at Germany is a wholly owned subsidiary of AMD.

3) SONY, NEC, Fujitsu, Toshiba's PCes are for the global market. These Japanese companies do business in US. Their products were sold in the US, affecting US consumers. US Courts definitely has subject matter jurisdiction and other jurisdictions.

4) AMD 's lawsuit is not just about Federal anti-trust laws. The Court has supplemental jurisdictions over wide variety of non-federal claims rise out of the same set of facts.

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Why US has jurisdiction
1) Intel KK is a wholly owned subsidiary of Intel.

2) AMD FAB30 at Germany is a wholly owned subsidiary of AMD.

3) SONY, NEC, Fujitsu, Toshiba's PCes are for the global market. These Japanese companies do business in US. Their products were sold in the US, affecting US consumers. US Courts definitely has subject matter jurisdiction and other jurisdictions.

4) AMD 's lawsuit is not just about Federal anti-trust laws. The Court has supplemental jurisdictions over wide variety of non-federal claims rise out of the same set of facts.

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Posted by sharikou (106 comments )
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AMD = Wal-Mart
If you closely follow this dispute you wonder what's the big deal (?). Well, AMD claims that Intel is manipulating the market. Isn't AMD presently manipulating the market through ultra-aggressive BS advertising? DAH... Does AMD try to show they are an innocent and humble company? Lately things are very sleazy on their side. I guess they have a lot of money to throw on marketing and not R&#38;D. Does AMD care about the consumer or the corporate area? May be AMD will look good in Dull little boxes. Creativity requires more than just a chip.

AMD is a marketing driven company. The 64 bit BS they are trying to sell, they can't back up their claims with the consumer market since there is no software in the coming future. Windows XP Pro 64bit has been suspended due to too many bugs and other problems. You'll be surprised how many wealthy kids are out there claiming to use 64 bit machines with normal Windows XP Pro (32 bit OS), play games, and other bla bla that is in most cases 16 bit software. Consumer "perception" is what keeps AMD alive. I'm surprised on how stupid Intel has been in not correcting exaggerated claims from its rival. But that's their problem.

Anyway, I won't go into tech stuff because both companies don't have the "ultimate" chip as there is no software for the ordinary consumer to use it. If you use Linux, Unix, or some advanced 3D modeling software packages, then the 64 bit extension code will definitely help speed up the job. The average John Smith doesn't need all the extras chip manufacturers try/forcefully sell with no choice.

So, what's all this about? Sometime ago Japan did find something on Intel. It was a minor thing and the Japanese government decided not to waste 10s or 100s of millions of dollars into a junky law suit. It's like saying that Intel toilets should use 3 ply toilet paper and not 2 ply. Well... AMD started screaming foul play. What can you expect from a Diva? S. Korean government raided Intel offices in Seoul and still no solid/concrete evidence was found against Intel. EU also did a colonoscopy on Intel with no signs of cancer. So, why do governments spend so much money investigating "toilet paper"? Everyone feels sorry when the "little guy" is struggling against a "gorilla."

From all the marketing campaigns AMD has done over the last year, it gives me the impression that they are a juvenile delinquent. They are playing a very dangerous game, and sooner or later their actions will haunt them. That's their problem.

As a consumer, do your homework before buying a new system. It might sound like a lot of headaches, and we have no choice due to cheezy marketing from the corporate world.
Posted by domino360 (41 comments )
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What are you talking about
How can you say Windows Xp Pro X64 is suspended. I bought a copy off of newegg about a month ago. Don't believe me you can get a hold of one, here is the url from newegg, <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16837102073" target="_newWindow">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16837102073</a>. Also this whole idea that you can't play games, ya I can play Call of Duty 2, Guild Wars, Battlefield 2, Counter-Strike: Source, Day of Defeat: Sourse, 25 to Life, The Movies, etc. Now from what I can tell these are 16-bit software. Just to one up you Half-Life 2 and Half-Life 2:Lost Coast both have native 64-bit support. If you really want to get into it, look at Valve's hardware survey. There are stats for Windows Xp Pro X64 on it. So the next time you open your mouth on something, try and back up your facts. Also I don't work for AMD if you are thinking that, but I suspect that you do work for Intel or just have a low IQ.
Posted by DigitalRAGE (13 comments )
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AMD doesn't like Sam Neil or Sam Waldon...
Given the fact that Intel is stealing and utilizing AMD's AMD64 64 bit support and naming it as EM64T, I'd say that AMD is doing more than just crying 'foul play.' Ya, I know that Intel won a lawsuit back then for AMD supposedly using Intel's SSE3 or something, but the latest company that's actually innovated something other than upped the clock speed and therefore the TDP is AMD.

What kinda crap are you getting on saying that AMD is doing all the crappy marketing scandals? AMD may be using advertising, but that doesn't mean they are lying as many companies do. 64-bit is already here and it's here to stay; get yourself some new glasses. On top of that, whose doing the real "leg-pulling"? Intel is. They have been advertising new chips such as Merom and Conroe since January; AND THEY MAY NOT COME OUT UNTIL NOVEMBER OR LATER. Then Intel lied about Conroe's performance as compared against S939 AMD FX-60 earlier sometime around March and April, saying it would have an average 20% performance increase over the FX-60. Well, I believe if you head over to Anandtech, you can find Anand and his benchmarks using the exact specs Intel used in its supposed 'competition.' The FX-60 came out in the lead by an average of 10% on about every thing Anand threw at it: all the 3dMark's, CineBench, SuperPI, CPUMark, Half Life 2, Fear, BF2, etc., etc...

Oh and as a spice up, I'll show you what AMD plans to unleash soon... <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?op=modload&#38;name=News&#38;file=article&#38;sid=5521" target="_newWindow">http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?op=modload&#38;name=News&#38;file=article&#38;sid=5521</a>

Call me an AMD junkie, as it is true... AMD at the moment has a solid lead versus Intel. When Intel finally gets Merom and Conroe out, I'll be sure to send "Sam Neil the Wisest of all low IQ's" the 64-bit benchmark of AMD vs. Intel... Amd's chipsets' 64-bit ability has already been benchmarked in AMD's X2 4800 versus Intel's EM64T Extreme Edition 965 and smothered Intel all over the place. I believe that's at AMDZone as well.
Posted by matthiasak (6 comments )
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Sam Neil=Ignorance of the Facts...
When you get your story straight come back and post a correction. Until then I'd say you either work for Intel and are just trying to put an Intel spin on this issue Or you are just ignorant of the facts.
Either way your post just appears to be ranting from someone having a bad day and using a post as a way to vent.
I hope you have a better day tomorrow but if you don't come on back and post some more nonsense since we'd rather you do that then kick the dog.
Posted by fred dunn (793 comments )
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Love my AMD
I have a dual core 64 bit, and have zero problems. Most issues are related the dual core, which requires the affinity to be set on some older games. However, newer stuff runs fine. My AMD box runs a lot faster than my Intel boxes and runs at half the temp and uses less electricity.

Intel has always been known for its monopolistic practices. There have actually been several books that tried to explore why MS gets dinged more than Intel even though Intel's business practices as far more ruthless.
Posted by umbrae (1073 comments )
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Stones and glass houses
I have no idea what you're talking about, pal. Ultra-aggressive BS advertising? I'm not sure I've ever seen an AMD commercial, even in a game, while I can barely flip past 3 TV channels without hearing Intel's dumb little duh-duh-duh-duh jingle. Take the name Pentium, for example. Pentium (pent=5) was supposed to be the name for the successor to their 486 processor and they milked it for the next 4 generations!

AMD and Intel are both outstanding companies that specialize in specific home computing tasks. Intel was first with hyperthreading while AMD introduced Cool N' Quiet. Intel chips are better at number crunching and encoding, and AMD is better for games. Since the Athlon AMD has made chips that are at least as fast as Intel's, and sold them for 70-90% of the price. In the past couple of years Intel chips have run hotter and hotter, while AMD's have always had more transistors while keeping heat down (although until recently Intel had better safety precautions to prevent meltdown).

You're right that consumers should do their homework before purchasing as each company's products excel at different tasks, but don't go spouting crap about how AMD is a wannabe company that makes nothing but chips and marketing mumbo jumbo. How many promises did Intel's Viiv live up to? 10%? Has Viiv replaced your DVD and PVR and stereo yet?

And what's this little guy vs gorilla tripe? Didn't AMD outsell Intel several months in 2005, despite the fact that Dell has Intel in its knickers? If AMD made inferior products would they have outsold their major competitor time and again? Yes, AMD is smaller, and it's through customer satisfaction and word of mouth that they've earned so much respect.
Posted by booboo1243 (328 comments )
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Clarification
My comments about AMD are mainly in ref. to marketing. It is true that AMD has better server chips (for the time being), but their marketing campaign makes them look shallow. By the way I do have 4 workstations and 2 of them use the Dual Opteron Model 285 (Dual Core) and my super-geeky friends helped me modify the cooling system since AMD has a reputation with overheating.

I personally dont understand why AMD is using sleazy marketing campaigns? What do you call the latest stunt in NYC, or the newspaper ads some time ago explaining why they are suing Intel? If they have good products, they should educate people about that and not complain all the time. TV ads dont matter much because people always ignore them. It is true that AMD outsold Intel in the retail area (AMD is slightly cheaper than Intel) in 2005, but their PR of victimization hasnt changed. Their back-stabbing of Intel is on the Internet with PR rubbish. Its very clever because most people only read the headlines and may be the 1st paragraph in an article. Since the average consumer doesnt have time to read all full articles, what sticks to their mind are the headlines which always makes AMD look like a victim. In marketing terms, and especially on the Internet, what matters most is name popularity. Whether its good or bad news it doesnt matter, because people always remember how many times they see a name.

As for Windows XP pro X64, thats another story. It is true you can get a copy of this, but you shouldnt complain if you get too many blue screens. Some of my friends from Sun told me if I wanted to get a working copy of this, I should get it after 2010, because at the moment there are too many bugs and presently the 64bit OS is a joke. The people at Redmond are having a hard time in trying to fix all these bugs.

Anyway, Im not a fanatic about AMD or Intel. So dont get too personal with a chip manufacturer. I have no intention in marring either company. The chip is important up to a point. Beyond that its the motherboard, RAM, video card, sound card, hard drives, and intended software. We need AMD and Intel to be honest about their claims and the consumer will take care of the rest.

Good night and good luck!
Posted by domino360 (41 comments )
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INTEL = Guerilla Benchmarketers
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/04/conroe-performance-claim-being-busted.html" target="_newWindow">http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/04/conroe-performance-claim-being-busted.html</a>

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/05/with-new-architecture-intel-will-be.html" target="_newWindow">http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/05/with-new-architecture-intel-will-be.html</a>

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/04/intel-exec-does-guerilla.html" target="_newWindow">http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/04/intel-exec-does-guerilla.html</a>
Posted by sharikou (106 comments )
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AMD = Wal-Mart
If you closely follow this dispute you wonder what's the big deal (?). Well, AMD claims that Intel is manipulating the market. Isn't AMD presently manipulating the market through ultra-aggressive BS advertising? DAH... Does AMD try to show they are an innocent and humble company? Lately things are very sleazy on their side. I guess they have a lot of money to throw on marketing and not R&#38;D. Does AMD care about the consumer or the corporate area? May be AMD will look good in Dull little boxes. Creativity requires more than just a chip.

AMD is a marketing driven company. The 64 bit BS they are trying to sell, they can't back up their claims with the consumer market since there is no software in the coming future. Windows XP Pro 64bit has been suspended due to too many bugs and other problems. You'll be surprised how many wealthy kids are out there claiming to use 64 bit machines with normal Windows XP Pro (32 bit OS), play games, and other bla bla that is in most cases 16 bit software. Consumer "perception" is what keeps AMD alive. I'm surprised on how stupid Intel has been in not correcting exaggerated claims from its rival. But that's their problem.

Anyway, I won't go into tech stuff because both companies don't have the "ultimate" chip as there is no software for the ordinary consumer to use it. If you use Linux, Unix, or some advanced 3D modeling software packages, then the 64 bit extension code will definitely help speed up the job. The average John Smith doesn't need all the extras chip manufacturers try/forcefully sell with no choice.

So, what's all this about? Sometime ago Japan did find something on Intel. It was a minor thing and the Japanese government decided not to waste 10s or 100s of millions of dollars into a junky law suit. It's like saying that Intel toilets should use 3 ply toilet paper and not 2 ply. Well... AMD started screaming foul play. What can you expect from a Diva? S. Korean government raided Intel offices in Seoul and still no solid/concrete evidence was found against Intel. EU also did a colonoscopy on Intel with no signs of cancer. So, why do governments spend so much money investigating "toilet paper"? Everyone feels sorry when the "little guy" is struggling against a "gorilla."

From all the marketing campaigns AMD has done over the last year, it gives me the impression that they are a juvenile delinquent. They are playing a very dangerous game, and sooner or later their actions will haunt them. That's their problem.

As a consumer, do your homework before buying a new system. It might sound like a lot of headaches, and we have no choice due to cheezy marketing from the corporate world.
Posted by domino360 (41 comments )
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What are you talking about
How can you say Windows Xp Pro X64 is suspended. I bought a copy off of newegg about a month ago. Don't believe me you can get a hold of one, here is the url from newegg, <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16837102073" target="_newWindow">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16837102073</a>. Also this whole idea that you can't play games, ya I can play Call of Duty 2, Guild Wars, Battlefield 2, Counter-Strike: Source, Day of Defeat: Sourse, 25 to Life, The Movies, etc. Now from what I can tell these are 16-bit software. Just to one up you Half-Life 2 and Half-Life 2:Lost Coast both have native 64-bit support. If you really want to get into it, look at Valve's hardware survey. There are stats for Windows Xp Pro X64 on it. So the next time you open your mouth on something, try and back up your facts. Also I don't work for AMD if you are thinking that, but I suspect that you do work for Intel or just have a low IQ.
Posted by DigitalRAGE (13 comments )
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AMD doesn't like Sam Neil or Sam Waldon...
Given the fact that Intel is stealing and utilizing AMD's AMD64 64 bit support and naming it as EM64T, I'd say that AMD is doing more than just crying 'foul play.' Ya, I know that Intel won a lawsuit back then for AMD supposedly using Intel's SSE3 or something, but the latest company that's actually innovated something other than upped the clock speed and therefore the TDP is AMD.

What kinda crap are you getting on saying that AMD is doing all the crappy marketing scandals? AMD may be using advertising, but that doesn't mean they are lying as many companies do. 64-bit is already here and it's here to stay; get yourself some new glasses. On top of that, whose doing the real "leg-pulling"? Intel is. They have been advertising new chips such as Merom and Conroe since January; AND THEY MAY NOT COME OUT UNTIL NOVEMBER OR LATER. Then Intel lied about Conroe's performance as compared against S939 AMD FX-60 earlier sometime around March and April, saying it would have an average 20% performance increase over the FX-60. Well, I believe if you head over to Anandtech, you can find Anand and his benchmarks using the exact specs Intel used in its supposed 'competition.' The FX-60 came out in the lead by an average of 10% on about every thing Anand threw at it: all the 3dMark's, CineBench, SuperPI, CPUMark, Half Life 2, Fear, BF2, etc., etc...

Oh and as a spice up, I'll show you what AMD plans to unleash soon... <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?op=modload&#38;name=News&#38;file=article&#38;sid=5521" target="_newWindow">http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?op=modload&#38;name=News&#38;file=article&#38;sid=5521</a>

Call me an AMD junkie, as it is true... AMD at the moment has a solid lead versus Intel. When Intel finally gets Merom and Conroe out, I'll be sure to send "Sam Neil the Wisest of all low IQ's" the 64-bit benchmark of AMD vs. Intel... Amd's chipsets' 64-bit ability has already been benchmarked in AMD's X2 4800 versus Intel's EM64T Extreme Edition 965 and smothered Intel all over the place. I believe that's at AMDZone as well.
Posted by matthiasak (6 comments )
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Sam Neil=Ignorance of the Facts...
When you get your story straight come back and post a correction. Until then I'd say you either work for Intel and are just trying to put an Intel spin on this issue Or you are just ignorant of the facts.
Either way your post just appears to be ranting from someone having a bad day and using a post as a way to vent.
I hope you have a better day tomorrow but if you don't come on back and post some more nonsense since we'd rather you do that then kick the dog.
Posted by fred dunn (793 comments )
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Love my AMD
I have a dual core 64 bit, and have zero problems. Most issues are related the dual core, which requires the affinity to be set on some older games. However, newer stuff runs fine. My AMD box runs a lot faster than my Intel boxes and runs at half the temp and uses less electricity.

Intel has always been known for its monopolistic practices. There have actually been several books that tried to explore why MS gets dinged more than Intel even though Intel's business practices as far more ruthless.
Posted by umbrae (1073 comments )
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Stones and glass houses
I have no idea what you're talking about, pal. Ultra-aggressive BS advertising? I'm not sure I've ever seen an AMD commercial, even in a game, while I can barely flip past 3 TV channels without hearing Intel's dumb little duh-duh-duh-duh jingle. Take the name Pentium, for example. Pentium (pent=5) was supposed to be the name for the successor to their 486 processor and they milked it for the next 4 generations!

AMD and Intel are both outstanding companies that specialize in specific home computing tasks. Intel was first with hyperthreading while AMD introduced Cool N' Quiet. Intel chips are better at number crunching and encoding, and AMD is better for games. Since the Athlon AMD has made chips that are at least as fast as Intel's, and sold them for 70-90% of the price. In the past couple of years Intel chips have run hotter and hotter, while AMD's have always had more transistors while keeping heat down (although until recently Intel had better safety precautions to prevent meltdown).

You're right that consumers should do their homework before purchasing as each company's products excel at different tasks, but don't go spouting crap about how AMD is a wannabe company that makes nothing but chips and marketing mumbo jumbo. How many promises did Intel's Viiv live up to? 10%? Has Viiv replaced your DVD and PVR and stereo yet?

And what's this little guy vs gorilla tripe? Didn't AMD outsell Intel several months in 2005, despite the fact that Dell has Intel in its knickers? If AMD made inferior products would they have outsold their major competitor time and again? Yes, AMD is smaller, and it's through customer satisfaction and word of mouth that they've earned so much respect.
Posted by booboo1243 (328 comments )
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Clarification
My comments about AMD are mainly in ref. to marketing. It is true that AMD has better server chips (for the time being), but their marketing campaign makes them look shallow. By the way I do have 4 workstations and 2 of them use the Dual Opteron Model 285 (Dual Core) and my super-geeky friends helped me modify the cooling system since AMD has a reputation with overheating.

I personally dont understand why AMD is using sleazy marketing campaigns? What do you call the latest stunt in NYC, or the newspaper ads some time ago explaining why they are suing Intel? If they have good products, they should educate people about that and not complain all the time. TV ads dont matter much because people always ignore them. It is true that AMD outsold Intel in the retail area (AMD is slightly cheaper than Intel) in 2005, but their PR of victimization hasnt changed. Their back-stabbing of Intel is on the Internet with PR rubbish. Its very clever because most people only read the headlines and may be the 1st paragraph in an article. Since the average consumer doesnt have time to read all full articles, what sticks to their mind are the headlines which always makes AMD look like a victim. In marketing terms, and especially on the Internet, what matters most is name popularity. Whether its good or bad news it doesnt matter, because people always remember how many times they see a name.

As for Windows XP pro X64, thats another story. It is true you can get a copy of this, but you shouldnt complain if you get too many blue screens. Some of my friends from Sun told me if I wanted to get a working copy of this, I should get it after 2010, because at the moment there are too many bugs and presently the 64bit OS is a joke. The people at Redmond are having a hard time in trying to fix all these bugs.

Anyway, Im not a fanatic about AMD or Intel. So dont get too personal with a chip manufacturer. I have no intention in marring either company. The chip is important up to a point. Beyond that its the motherboard, RAM, video card, sound card, hard drives, and intended software. We need AMD and Intel to be honest about their claims and the consumer will take care of the rest.

Good night and good luck!
Posted by domino360 (41 comments )
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INTEL = Guerilla Benchmarketers
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/04/conroe-performance-claim-being-busted.html" target="_newWindow">http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/04/conroe-performance-claim-being-busted.html</a>

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/05/with-new-architecture-intel-will-be.html" target="_newWindow">http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/05/with-new-architecture-intel-will-be.html</a>

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/04/intel-exec-does-guerilla.html" target="_newWindow">http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/04/intel-exec-does-guerilla.html</a>
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