May 1, 2006 2:30 PM PDT

Immigrants stand up to be counted

SAN FRANCISCO--Thousands of immigrant-rights supporters here joined their nationwide counterparts Monday, taking to the streets to highlight the contributions made by people born outside this country.

Hoisting banners, beating drums and waving American flags, demonstrators filled Market Street, the main thoroughfare of the city's Financial District, in what was billed as a "Day without Immigrants."

"Todos son inmigrantes," read one sign, expressing in Spanish the notion that nearly all Americans are either immigrants or descendents of people who migrated to this country.

Nestor Puente, a plumber, said he is now a legal resident of the United States, but wanted to march in support of all immigrants--legal and illegal--who he said are working to make this country better.

"I've got to support my people," he said, as musical instruments and chants echoed in the background.

Across the country, hundreds of thousands of people skipped work and school to demonstrate the depth of contributions immigrants make to American society.

Puente said he felt great about the turnout and hopes the efforts get the same attention as the rallies Sunday, in San Francisco, D.C. and elsewhere that protested the situation in Darfur, Sudan.

"They made the front page," Puente said. "What about us?"

As is often the case in San Francisco, the rally spilled over into support for other left-leaning causes as well. Sign-carriers, for example, could be spotted stumping for progressive politicians and protesting the war in Iraq.

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Tech Tie-In
Maybe I missed it, but I usually expect CNet news to have some, even minimal, tie-in to technology. The point of this story is...?
Posted by bn-tx (25 comments )
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PROPGANDA
CNET is administered by a bunch of Liberals who have an I'm-
better-than-you attitude, because they went to "college".

Ironically, many major tech companies today are founded by
drop-outs from colleges.

There is no tech angle. CNET is part of the Leftist bunch of news
sites, and they threw this report in just to promote their
administrators' viewpoints on what they think "we" should be
doing.

In all frankness, they should be reporting on what the "Wii"
should be doing and all other things tech.
Posted by fakespam (239 comments )
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Oh, Yeah
By the way, what exactly is the parallel between illegal aliens in the United States and Genocide in Darfur? Why should the two get the same attention? Are low wages somehow morally equivalent to mass murder in San Francisco?
Posted by bn-tx (25 comments )
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Anti-American Media
The Media doesn't care, as long as people forget what this
country was founded on.

If they can tie in illegal aliens "demanding" their Bill of Wrongs to
some soldier getting killed in Iraq or Afgahnistan, they will, just
to give a black eye to the People of the Nation.

But the Media that reports that way has no ratings. Websites,
especially news websites, crush the Alphabet Soup evening news
broadcasts. If a person is far to the Left, and believes in
Marxism, are against America, they read cbsnews.com or
cnn.com, if a person is far to the Right and believes in a
Representative Republic, are for America, they read
worldnetdaily.com or other like minded sites.
Posted by fakespam (239 comments )
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hmmm
As a legal immigrant it sometimes irritates the heck out of me that people who didn't go through the same headaches, paperwork and so on think that for some reason they have a right instant citizenship - as if living and working here illegally should be something they're rewarded for doing.

A harsh line I'm sure, but the reality is that as a legal immigrant I have no one in my corner, in fact they want to make my lot far worse.

I was not, and will never, qualify for any form of welfare, and would face instant deportation for committing any crime including violations of immigration law. I would then not be allowed back in the country for at least 5 years, if at all.

I can not vote - in any election, local, state or national, and I am required to pay taxes.

I now hear that even left wing lawmakers want to make my life harder, punish me for not complying with new, restrictive proposals - that is I should be the one singled out for scrutiny and then deported if I don't face up to it, rather than those that broke the law every second they've been in this country.

They get citizenship, I have to carry a biometric id card and my personal information gets to be stored in a national database. It doesn't stop there, any prospective employer would be instantly predujiced against hiring me, because of the burden of proof he would have to present in order to avoid being fined for hiring illegals.

I even love the term undocumented worker. As if the only problem is they forgot to fill out a form or something, but are otherwise compliant with immigration law.

If I make a mistake on my immigration paperwork I face deportation. If I don't report my new address within 4 weeks of moving I face deportation.

They didn't have to wait for months for a visa interview, face an aids test, argue with an immigration official that the income documented on my wife's financial support paperwork is enough to support the both of us (she gets fined and is liable for any welfare given to me). They didn't have to keep filling out paperwork for years after arriving, paying more and more in fees and administration costs.

They didn't have to face a grilling interview, knowing that one "incorrect" answer could mean the whole thing comes crashing down on you.

These are not particularly horrendous hardships, but they do cause incredible stress and the process takes years to complete.

If I want citizenship, I then have to go through nearly the entire process again. Gathering up ridiculous amounts of "proof" that I came here for the right reasons, that I'm supporting myself, not receiving handouts from the government, and that I have committed any "immoral" crimes.

So okay I do sympathise a little with the plight of illegal immigrants, who've settled down, have homes and family and face the agony of seperation if they're caught. But at the same time it annoys the crap out of me that my situation could be worse, just to make theirs better.
Posted by ajbright (447 comments )
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You should have just flush your legal foreign passport down the toilet
Don't get mad, if you want easy citizenship, you can join the crowd by simply flush your legal foreign issued passport down the toilet.

Then you can claim you are "undocumented worker" and benefit from getting instant citizenship without having the wait 10 years.

Welcome to the land of the free and home of the brave.
Posted by janesnow1234 (1 comment )
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You've got my support
Lets get real. They are illegal immigrants... ILLEGAL! That means they are here in violation of the law. I've read their claims that they are improving america. Try and tell that to the local governments in the border states and you will here another story. The school systems are in chaos, the county hospitals overloaded, crime is overwhelming all because of illegal immigrants. Let me repeat that one word... ILLEGAL!
Posted by Seaspray0 (9714 comments )
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thank you ajbright
thank you ajbright. i've been reading all these stories and watching the news waiting for a legal immigrant to stand up and say, "why should they get what i've been working so hard to get just for being here??" i agree and think that we should hold everyone to the standards we do now.

mexico deports more people per year than the USA...yet we have 20 million people living here illegally...send them back just like thier countries would send us back if we tried to do what's happening. if i want to become a mexican citizen, i have to go through the process. if i want to be french, i have to go through the process. our process should be respected by citizens of other countries just like they expect us to obey thiers.
Posted by RayGentry (20 comments )
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Shoot Yourself in the Foot
This's isn't the site for this to even be reported on, as they've as
effective as nothing to my bottom line today.

For better reporting on this matter, please go to:

www.worldnetdaily.com
www.newsmax.com
www.thenewamerican.com
www.drudgereport.com

CNET is for tech, and trying to create a tech angle on these
people is pathetic.
Posted by fakespam (239 comments )
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missed opportunity
Since most of these demonstrators are going to be
illegal immigrants, the INS should be monitoring
them in order to pick up people for deportation.
This would be more cost-effective than hunting
down the violators one or two at a time.
Posted by Jackson Cracker (272 comments )
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That was great!
What a great day! Light traffic, no lines at the supermarket! We just need 364 more of those each year -- every day should be a day without illegal aliens! Yay!
Posted by Neo Con (428 comments )
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The problem
Nestor Puente, a plumber, said he is now a legal resident of the United States, but wanted to march in support of all immigrants--legal and illegal--who he said are working to make this country better.

"I've got to support my people," he said, as musical instruments and chants echoed in the background.

There you go America...even this guy...who is 'legal', wants to support 'his people'. I thought 'his people' was supposed to be legal American citizens who respect and abide by the law??!!

Deport each and every one of them and have them follow the laws you have in place America, not doing so is making you a weaker country.
Posted by KsprayDad (375 comments )
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cnet has forgotten that
it has a legal website to publish tech news!
Posted by hidkal (2 comments )
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So how many are there
The headline says "immigrants stand up to be counted". Did anyone count how many are there.
Posted by hidkal (2 comments )
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Guess what...
This had zero impact on my day. The trains still ran, the guy peddling dead flowers in the middle of the street was still there, the people pushing falafel and ice cream carts were still scootin around...

Things must not be so bad if they can afford to miss a day's pay.
Posted by Bob_Barker (167 comments )
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immigrants..illegal immigrant No.
I really would like to see all the ILLEGAL immigrants in this country show up for a rally somewhere. It would make things so much simpler.
While I feel for people who want to make a living I don't break the law doing it. If I'm unemployed and knock off a gas station and get caught, get thrown into lockup with 40 other people who also knocked off a gas station I don't expect to get off just because "everyone is doing it". That is the mentality that is going on right now. We have X million illegal immigrants right now so it makes it all right. Then you have other little facts like X amount of money that is leaving this country going back to family abroad. A noble gesture to be sure but that is money that is not going back into this country. That is money that will be spent elsewhere to inflate their economy.
I'm sorry but I'm a 3 generation natural citizen of this country. My parents, parents came to this country through LEGAL means. What does giving amnesty say to the people who have waited 10+ years to get into this country legally? So sorry mate. You just got fracked.
Immigrants can make all the noise they want but I wonder how many who are in support of this are illegal immigrants themselves or have a friend or family member who are illegal immigrants. Its all self serving BS in the end.
Posted by Jonathan (832 comments )
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I am against handing out citizenship this way.
The plan to grant (or at least facilitate)
citizenship to persons that illegally immigrate
to this country is a slap in the face to current
citizens and legal immigrants (such as my wife).

If you aren't aware of the process it takes to
legally immigrate -- let me tell you it's a
byzantine and demeaning process that takes
years, ream after ream of documentation, and
dealing with a bureaucracy so numbingly slow and
ineffectual that it would make the Soviet-era
Kremlin envious.

I think that something should be done at both
ends of the spectrum. Legal immigration needs to
be worked into a rational and streamlined
process. I'm certain that as it is now, the
process completely fails every goal it's
intended to fulfill. It splits up families,
causes economic burdens, and keeps out people
that could well be an asset to our country --
and I see no evidence that it specifically
impedes those that would seek to undermine it.

I would support a program that was permissive of
granting temporary low-cost visas for workers
from Mexico for certain classes of work. Maybe
even a program to formalize the process of
matching the labor pool to jobs.

At one time, I taught ESL at a church in the
southern US and we had a number of students from
Mexico that worked in the US illegally. They
were great guys, and while they loved the US,
they had no desire to stay (and typically worked
6 months, then returned home, and came back
again). They were well aware that they were here
illegally, but at the same time needed to
provide for their families at home -- despite
being under-paid they still earned more in the
US than they could at home (if they could find
work there at all). They were very sensitive to
the accusation that they might be taking jobs
away from Americans -- and several quit jobs
when they felt that it was true -- so they
relegated themselves to doing low-pay work they
didn't think anyone else wanted. One guy that
was a cabinet maker was cleaning up offals, for
example.

Short of citizenship, there ought to be some
consideration given in this regard. Folks
wanting to immigrate outright ought to be
required to go through the formal process (which
sorely needs to be fixed), and those wanting to
work temporarily ought to be formally leveraged
as a resource in whatever capacity we
accommodate same to the mutual benefit of our
country and the people involved.
Posted by Zymurgist (397 comments )
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Good post
It was nice to read from someone with firsthand experience of the immgiration process. I agree with everything you said. Part of the fault lies with the govt policies, although it still does not change the fact that people who immigrate illegally are breaking a law.
Posted by mgwatson (61 comments )
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work permits
I agree with Zymurgist in every way . But I recall seeing a poster of Che' guverra in one crowed shot . As a former Marine and combat vet , I am more than willing to defend my country from within as well as out , and I am sure there are several million of us who feel that way , being here is a privelige , not a right !
Posted by underwood44 (2 comments )
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The illegals
I'm going to come out and say that I am against illegal immigrants in all ways. My parents LEGALLY immigrated to the US 30 years ago and had to go through the hassles. In some way, the illegal immigrants have to be punished.

The most important thing to do is to stop giving automatic citizenship to those born in this country. Make those kids illegal as well.

I realize they come here illegally for a better life, but they are stealing money from taxpayers. STEALING! If we have money earmarked for schools, but now we have to shift some over to welfare, guess who loses?
Posted by dewalt25 (57 comments )
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My take (FWIW)
I see two frightening aspects to illegal immigration in the U.S.:
1) It is almost totally out of control. Plus, we are being told that it _should_ be that way, that America is owned by anyone in the world who wants to come here, rather than by Americans.
2) The demographics will insure that uncontrolled immigration will result in a U.S. that is at least half Latin American, in both language and culture, and half "other."

Yes, we have historically been a nation of immigrants, BUT with crucial differences.

First, the federal gov't controlled the influx so that immigration served our national interests. Diseased people and criminals were not let in, and workers with desired skills were given preference. Numerical quotas were enforced.

Second, no single culture or language group has been allowed to make up the bulk of the immigrants for very long. For instance, very early in U.S. history, Pennsylvania started to become "too German" so immigration from German areas was severely curtailed. This "whoa, too many" response was repeated for Irish, Polish, Italians, Chinese, Japanese, Haitians, SE Asians, etc.

Third, immigrants were expected to adjust themselves to their new country, not the other way around. For instance, public schools were taught in English only, and all government documents were in English only.

Lastly, the number of new immigrants has generally been kept to a small fraction of the existing population. Sometimes it would spike, but this would be followed by a dip (an enforced dip).

The result of this CONTROLLED immigration has been a SINGLE nation comprised of people from a WIDE VARIETY of backgrounds who nevertheless think of themselves primarily as AMERICANS.
Posted by dmm (336 comments )
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Illegal = bad
We all are decendants of immagrants but most of us from legal immagrants. My grandparents came legally, worked hard for low wages, obeyed the law, and paid their taxes. The latest wave of immagrants and coming illegally which starts with breaking law.

Anyone willing to break one law and gets ahead is likely to break another. Furthermore this is passed on to the children of these people that it is ok to break the law if it gets you ahead. This creates a dangerous precident.

I think we should allow immagration to continue, but it must be at a controlled rate so that our infastructure (schools, roads, etc) can keep up, the immagrents are not totally fleeced by the unethical, and so that the effort of obeying the law from day one is rewarded.
Posted by bwvla (166 comments )
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Two Birds with One Stone
First off let me go on the record as saying I whole heartedly condone those that have entered the country illegally.

Second your right to assembly is a constitutionally protected right that well considering you aren't citizens in no way shape or form gives you the right to protest. Which means that all of the illegals who where protesting yesterday should have been rounded up and taken into custody for disorderly conduct.

The last point I want to make is I honestly haven't met one person that favors giving illegal immigrants citizenship, BUT yet CNN and other news agencies state that 73% of all Americans believe that illegal immigrants should be given some form of citizenship.

OK now on to my two birds one stone rant. We keep hearing how the number of people enlisting in the military is down. WELL why not just get all of the illegal immigrants to join the military, AND THEN when they are done with their term they will be given automatic citizenship. They really then could become true patriots like our forefathers. The forefathers of the US had to fight for their rights then I don't see why the illegal immigrants shouldn't have to fight for their rights.

Thank you
Posted by (15 comments )
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Suggest you...
...look at our ability to teach the Iraqis to fight. That isn't really turning out so well and you want us to teach illegal mexicans to fight as US Soliders, way to go, we just lost the southern states.
Posted by bobj123 (94 comments )
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Illegal is still Illegal
There is not way around this. They are not "Undocumented". They knew the law. They broke the law. Now they want to be rewarded for being criminals.
Posted by IT_Thinker (8 comments )
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While I'm not for handing out citizenship...
The argument that someone is a criminal for
breaking a law is a facetious one. It is a
necessary but not sufficient condition that one
break a law to be a criminal.

Not all laws are legal. Laws are struck down all
the time. Further, the law has little permanence
-- what's illegal today could be illegal
tomorrow or vice-versa, yet the activity is no
more or less criminal (in the absolute sense)
than it was prior to or after the law came into
being.

It's still illegal to eat peanuts in church in
Massachusetts, but violators (you know who you
are) are not criminals -- at least most people
wouldn't consider them so. Drinking liquor,
banned in some towns, not others, yet you're not
apt to be labelled a criminal for having a glass
of wine in Manhattan, are you?

In this particular case, the people in question
are breaking the law quite specifically because
they are "undocumented," meaning that they
haven't filled out nor received the proper
papers. It's not illegal for them (in general)
to enter the country (at least temporarily) --
but it is to have a job without proper
permission.

"Undocumented worker" is precisely descriptive
of their particular infraction of the law. It is
against the law, certainly. Whether it's truly
criminal or not depends on your point of view
and most probably on the situation.

For example, I had known a student at MIT that
had found out while applying for financial aid
that he was, in fact, not an American citizen.
He had believed that he was born here, but
apparently, his parents came to this country
after he was born and started the formal
immigration process. At the time, children were
included on the same application as their
parents. However, 20 years later, it turns out
that the INS never completed processing his
parent's application. He was too old to be
considered a child anymore, so the INS removed
him from his parents application and notified
him that he had to leave the country
immediately. He had lived in the US since he was
6 months old, never left, and at almost 21 years
didn't know anyone in, or even the language of,
his native country.

He was forced to leave. I don't know what
happened to him. However, I know for certain two
things: he was in violation of the law, and he
wasn't a criminal.

It may be semantics, but too often these days
people justify submitting to ruinous stupidity
foisted on them in the form of legislation
because "it's the law" without any question if
the law is just or even just plain sensible.
Posted by Zymurgist (397 comments )
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Illegal is still Illegal
There is not way around this. They are not "Undocumented". They knew the law. They broke the law. Now they want to be rewarded for being criminals.
Posted by IT_Thinker (8 comments )
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On target, shouldn't be rewarded
I know several people who entered this country legally, learned the language, civics and fulfilled the 5 year residency before applying for citizenship. That is the law, the legal way to emigrate to this country.
I support the McCain - Kennedy proposal along with hefty penaltys for those employing illegal aliens. The minimum wage would have been increased years ago without those willing to work for nothing.
Posted by catsidney (2 comments )
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Stand up to be counted... In another language
In any other language but english so it seems.


I dont know what the tech tie in is here...

Kieran Mullen
Posted by kieranmullen (1070 comments )
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You are RACIST
I am ashamed to be an American today. I have never seen so much RACISM in one country. You hate everyone who comes here, even the slaves YOU brought. You butchered the NATIVES and now you believe you are ONE NATION UNDER GOD. Yeah right, I bet God hates what is going on.
Posted by tblair76 (4 comments )
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Well let's see.
I didn't bring any slaves to this land. I didn't butcher any
natives. As for "God," I don't believe in any religious mythology.

There are no "natives." The first peoples came here across land
and ice from asia.

I do live in the state that gets slammed by ILLEGAL aliens who
break the law as the first thing they do. How is not liking
criminal activity racist?

Methinks thou doth protest too much, and your own racist stripe
is showing a mile wide.
Posted by Gromit801 (393 comments )
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Missing the point
Its not about race. Its about saturation and the law. In America when someone breaks the law there are penalties like jail, fines, etc. Should we reward people who break the law? Nope. It would set a the wrong tone for future generations of immigrants and citizens, who will be more inclined to breaking laws instead of changing them. If legal immigrants protested because they thought the process they go through is unfair, fustrating, and long (which it is) then I would support them. However for people to acknowledge the FACT they are breaking the law and ask that their acts be made legal, it does not make sense. What would be the point of the law if it can be broken without penalty? If give an inch to then what will be the mile.
Posted by VI Joker (231 comments )
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to tblair76
happiness would be you leaving with an illegal under each arm
Posted by R Me (196 comments )
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Who are you talking about?
18th and 19th century America? Last I heard they are all dead. Grow up and deal with reality today.
Posted by jmmejzz (107 comments )
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What race are you talking about?
Illegal immigrants are not a race.
Posted by Jackson Cracker (272 comments )
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Son of an imigrant says "Nothing to do with Race"
My father is an imigrant to this country. He is now retired and still living here, but he did so LEGALLY and still carries his green card to this day... and no, he's not from Mexico as you most undoubtedly assumed. There are people from all over the world who imigrate legally to this country. It's not right he did what's legal but so many are not and getting away with it. This has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with a large group breaking the law and not enough being done to stop it.
Posted by Seaspray0 (9714 comments )
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Sticks and stone
If america is racist, what is your point? What does that have to do with the rule of law. What does murdering the Indians population by our forefather have to do with the rule of law?
Every nations has its own sins. The fore-fathers of Mexico murdered their on indian populations. So, what is your point? Mexico is a racist nation as well! What are you trying to tell me! Their sins are less than ours.
If America was still the 13 colonies, mexicans would still be trying to get into America. The problem is Mexico. Mexico is two hundred years older than the United States. America has put a man on the moon. We are the best country under the sun. What is Mexico's problem. How much more time do they need to get their act together. 500 years!
Posted by mattehood (2 comments )
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America is and always has been RACIST
I am ashamed to be an American today. I have never seen so much RACISM in one country. You hate everyone who comes here, even the slaves YOU brought. You butchered the NATIVES and now you believe you are ONE NATION UNDER GOD. Yeah right, I bet God hates what is going on.
Posted by tblair76 (4 comments )
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Ashamed of YOU
I am ashamed to have to read you post. Americans are not racist, every person in part is. People dislike change. And when another race is trying to change something in a country which rules have worked for centuries, but have been difficult for some to even attempt to follow well they are being ignorant of the rules, just as you are sterotyping every citizen. Get over yourself...
Posted by bobj123 (94 comments )
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DO NOT play that card
It has absolutely nothing to do with race. And for you to call it out as such is just plain irresponsible.

The American people are fed up not with the influx of Mexicans. They're fed up with the wanton ineptitude of the federal government to do anything worthwhile about it. Who in their right mind would deny someone who is here to work their right to earn a better living? There's a very good reason the people that have come here over the past few hundred years have stayed here - to the tune of 300 million, give or take - and that's because this is, flat out, the best country on the planet if you want to put yourself on track for a better life.

If anything, the illegals are good for this country. They're good because of the burden they put on our social systems, showing us just how idiotic it was to enact them in the first place. They're good because they show us that the politicians haven't got a clue what they're doing. They're good because they're here to work.

Be ashamed to be an American, but at least be ashamed for the right reasons. And carry that with you to the voting booth.
Posted by Christopher Hall (1205 comments )
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You're the bigot
I'm an American and you have never met me, yet some how you seem to think you know me... and that I am by default bad.
Posted by Bob Brinkman (556 comments )
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Where are the natives today?
Let them decide any immigration issues, or should I say labor issues. Who's got the right to say who can and cannot walk from one stretch of land to another, or who may cross the what ocean to land on what rock. Only God can Judge and today AMERICANS are showing their true colors. It really saddents me. This country so full of hate. If someone has a contract or a job, let them come and do their work. Let them be, maybe they belong here more than you and I.
Posted by tblair76 (4 comments )
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natives
The natives you must be referring to are all long gone dead. They were killed by what you happen to beleive are the original inhabitants of this land.

So you must be God because you are sure throwing a lot of judgement around.

Take a pill, chill and then plod on outa here with all you illegal immigrant friends.
Posted by R Me (196 comments )
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Where is the hate?
Its not a matter of hate, its a matter of legality. Let the immigrants come into the country no problem there so long as they did it legally. If they are just coming to work and go back home let them do so legally. No one is judge, just applying the law. They belong here so long as they got here through legal channels.
Posted by VI Joker (231 comments )
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Make the borders like Ellis Island
The borders should be like Ellis island. You stand in line and if you are in good health, hey what do you know, come on in. That is all it took back then, I bet you did not know or don't care. I agree with everyone who says, "oh gee my family came here legally, why don't they?" . yeah well it was a very different process then, but I'll vote for that to happen again. Would be nice, give the land back to the those who it truly belongs to, those who work it!! Remember the natives taught the pilgrims how to survive on this land, damn mistake on their part, turned their backs and were butchered.
Posted by tblair76 (4 comments )
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go away
You really need to learn some things about this great country and human migration in general.

1. What is referred to as "Native Americans" are not.

2. The original inhabitants of every land area on earth have been killed off by those who came after them.

3. It is called manifest destiny and is still going on but in a more or less civilized manner on all continents except Africa where it is as it has always been, a very terrible bloody affair.
Posted by R Me (196 comments )
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It's about the LAW!!
I'll probably get nailed for being whatever (racist, selfish,etc,etc) but for most of us, this is simply about breaking the law. 90% of the illegal aliens in the U.S. simply want to better themselves. Absolutly nothing wrong with that. But the fact of the matter is that they are breaking the law. Period. If you do something wrong, then you must face the consequences of your actions. Personally, if I were a LEGAL immigrant, I would be pissed off that these people are DEMANDING not ASKING that they be allowed to stay here and not have to go through what I went through. As far as these rallies went, my question to my illegal brothers and sisters is: "How come you didn't have rallies like this in Mexico or wherever you came from?" "Demanding jobs and a chance to grow?" Because you know that you would have been stomped to the ground or worse. But yet you come here and enjoy the things that a lot of people have fought, bled and died for(including MANY LEGAL immigrants)and you can't seem to figure out what the fuss is. So stop with nonsense and get LEGAL as the law stands now. Also you could help your cause by learning to read and write ENGLISH(the defacto standard of the country that you broke the law to come into!)Ok I'm done. Now for my tech tie-in: If someone is caught, a RFID tag will be inserted {please feel to put your own joke in here about where the tag will be inserted!!!} and if you are caught again without the proper paperwork {and tag}you will spend time in one of our fine establishments that have bars and no windows. Just my two cents.
Posted by wesferrell (2 comments )
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Immigration
Well sending these illegal immigrants back to where they come from really does not do anything but drain the cost of the INS and other services to send these illegals back. I think they should arrest the employers that hire them. If no one will hire them because they don't want to be arrested then they will naturally go back to thier country. Problem Solved.
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Round em all up and drop them off on Irans eastern border. Tell them they can either gather and protest for the right to exist in Iran or can fight their way to Iraq where they will be granted citizenship after serving in the military for one year.
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I was watching tv news last night. A female was being interviewed, she was from some latin american country, but a legal immigrant. She stated how great this cou try was. How great it was that she could participate in a rally such as this. How great it was to have freedom of speech,etc,etc,. How great americam is. How great it is here. How much she loved it here. She just gushed love for the good old US of A. Yet her last comment was this, "In my country they would kill me". Obviously speaking of reprisals for open demonstrations.

But it was her statement, "her country". I thought the US was her country, but guess not. She should go back to "her country".

What the illegals really want is thier own autonomous country within the borders of the US.

The real truth is that the illegals are demonstrating themselves into a worse position than they are now. As it stands you can hire an illegal and pay they what is called a sub-standard wage. But wake up! These wages are CASH. So turn it into a real wage, someone makeing $6.00 cash is equal to someone making a real wage of $9-10/hr. Many non-immigrants struggle their entire lives at these wages, without any help. Yup, they are white, black, brown, and yellow, and all in poverty. So now that immigrants have legal jobs and shady employers and day hirers now must be careful because any bill passed to make them legal will surely have huge penalties for employers that will make it prohibitive not ot follow the employment regulations. So answer this: Will the employer want a real american or an immigrant. If I have to pay real wages and benefits to someone they are going to speak english, and an english I can easily understand. All the jobs they are here for will now go to lower income class americans and the leftovers will go to the "new legals". Who will in the end be much worse off than they are now.
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