May 11, 2006 5:59 AM PDT

ICANN rejects .xxx domain

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, the group that sets domain name regulation, has voted down a proposal to create a domain for adult Web sites.

ICANN's board on Wednesday voted 9 to 5 against the proposal, which would have led to the creation of a .xxx domain suffix for pornography sites.

The plan has drawn considerable controversy over recent months, with conservative groups campaigning against the domain due to concerns that it would legitimize pornography. Advocates of the plan have denied this, claiming that it would make it easier for Web users to avoid porn.

H?kon Haugnes, president of Global Name Registry, a domain name registration organization which oversees the .name domain, said ICANN's decision was not unexpected given the political opposition to the domain name.

"I don't think it's surprising for anyone in the industry. It's been a very, very contentious issue and very politicized," he said. "The discussion moved away from technical considerations to becoming politicized."

Despite ardent political interest in the issue in the issue, Paul Twomey, the chief of ICANN, told the Associated Press that the decision "was not driven by a political consideration."

ICM Registry, which proposed the .xxx domain, was unable to comment in time for this article. Haugnes said he empathizes with ICM Registry, as it has gone through the application process when it submitted the domain name. Even when ICANN agrees to a domain, it can take a considerable time to launch it to the market, he added.

"It took us five hard years to get .name into portals so people can use it within their e-mail address," he said.

ICANN has twice abandoned plans to vote on the creation of a .xxx domain, most recently last December.

Ingrid Marson of ZDNet UK reported from London.

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I think the appropiate word for this is: DOH!
I can't believe people think this will "legitimize porn" - um in case you didn't notice, it's a freakin' billion dollar industry. Since I'm not an advocate of porn I would love to know that I could keep my computer/home clean buy blocking .xxx domains or better yet, ISPs could block it at their level (at my request). Anti-porn people should be ashamed, they are only making porn more accessible rather than confining it to one area and regulating it. Congrats on spreading the filth - aren't you so proud?
Posted by Kmett (12 comments )
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You missed the point
The primary supporters of the .XXX domain noted that they had no plans to give up their non-.XXX domain names, they were simply going to add new .XXX names.

If the move to create the .XXX domain had included removing the porn from .COM and other domains then this would've passed but it was clear there was no intention of clearing porn from the other domains which also means there's no need for them to have a separate domain in the first place.
Posted by aabcdefghij987654321 (1721 comments )
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you need to know this
Neither of the last two attempts to create this domain would have forced adult content into the .xxx domain. It would have just given them another domain to tap into.

So what is the point of wasting money on creating a domain that wont do what everyone wants it to do (force adult content into one area of the web)?
Posted by techguy83 (295 comments )
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I think the appropiate word for this is: DOH!
I can't believe people think this will "legitimize porn" - um in case you didn't notice, it's a freakin' billion dollar industry. Since I'm not an advocate of porn I would love to know that I could keep my computer/home clean buy blocking .xxx domains or better yet, ISPs could block it at their level (at my request). Anti-porn people should be ashamed, they are only making porn more accessible rather than confining it to one area and regulating it. Congrats on spreading the filth - aren't you so proud?
Posted by Kmett (12 comments )
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You missed the point
The primary supporters of the .XXX domain noted that they had no plans to give up their non-.XXX domain names, they were simply going to add new .XXX names.

If the move to create the .XXX domain had included removing the porn from .COM and other domains then this would've passed but it was clear there was no intention of clearing porn from the other domains which also means there's no need for them to have a separate domain in the first place.
Posted by aabcdefghij987654321 (1721 comments )
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you need to know this
Neither of the last two attempts to create this domain would have forced adult content into the .xxx domain. It would have just given them another domain to tap into.

So what is the point of wasting money on creating a domain that wont do what everyone wants it to do (force adult content into one area of the web)?
Posted by techguy83 (295 comments )
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Porn is a scourge on society.
One thing is certain. Porn is a scourge on society. It victimizes women and children. It enslaves and desensitizes men. It enriches disreputable businessmen. Nothing "good" could ever result from it.

With that said however, I think segrating porn into an online "red light district" of sorts with a .XXX domain would help protect innocent eyes from getting pulled into it. It would also make laws and the enforcibility of laws easier to manage. I hope they revisit their decision.
Posted by jslauson (8 comments )
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Its laws agains porn that makes porn possible and dangerous.
Actually, porn has been around as long as the human species. Its in our earliest cave drawing art - directly in front of those cave children every day. If its a scourge on society, it certainly isn't a fatal or limiting one, and it didn't stop us from getting to this point technologically. Its all in how we think about it. Have you ever considered that its your moral perspective that makes porn even possible? If you taught your children that the human body was beautiful and that the sex act was also a natural and beautiful thing - where would that leave porn. Certainly not as a the current viable business model based on a market with super pent up demand. Porn would just be where it was when we started out - just wall art depicting something that's a beautiful and important part of human life - both emotionally, physcially, metabolically and psychologically. It also wouldn't be the basis of a neurosis that infects such a large part of our population. Its the stigma that you attach to it that makes porn dirty and separates it from art. Its that stigma that pushes porn into the shadows and alows it to be perverted. Its the pornographers self defense of these perversions, that make it dangerous at all.
Posted by masonx (244 comments )
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Evidence that .XXX domain is the right way
Well...the next day's headline went like this:
"Adult industry welcomes .xxx domain rejection"

Here is a blurb from the enligtened Clinton Alexander (a porn site web designer):

"The idea in the adult entertainment industry is to mainstream adult content to the point where it is not different from selling any other commodity, such as groceries," Alexander said. "The more publicly mainstream porn becomes, the more money the adult entertainment companies make...Creating an 'Internet red light district' goes against mainstreaming adult content, so most of the producers I know were against the .xxx suffix from the beginning of the debate."

This is strong evidence that .XXX helps segratate some of the internet's sleaze into the dark corner it belongs. Alexander knows that keeping porn mixed in with "mainstream" internet content helps his industry stay profitable and grow stronger. So any god-fearing, family-friendly, society loving person should take this to heart and seriously consider how unwise ICANN's decision was.
Posted by jslauson (8 comments )
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Porn is a scourge on society.
One thing is certain. Porn is a scourge on society. It victimizes women and children. It enslaves and desensitizes men. It enriches disreputable businessmen. Nothing "good" could ever result from it.

With that said however, I think segrating porn into an online "red light district" of sorts with a .XXX domain would help protect innocent eyes from getting pulled into it. It would also make laws and the enforcibility of laws easier to manage. I hope they revisit their decision.
Posted by jslauson (8 comments )
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Its laws agains porn that makes porn possible and dangerous.
Actually, porn has been around as long as the human species. Its in our earliest cave drawing art - directly in front of those cave children every day. If its a scourge on society, it certainly isn't a fatal or limiting one, and it didn't stop us from getting to this point technologically. Its all in how we think about it. Have you ever considered that its your moral perspective that makes porn even possible? If you taught your children that the human body was beautiful and that the sex act was also a natural and beautiful thing - where would that leave porn. Certainly not as a the current viable business model based on a market with super pent up demand. Porn would just be where it was when we started out - just wall art depicting something that's a beautiful and important part of human life - both emotionally, physcially, metabolically and psychologically. It also wouldn't be the basis of a neurosis that infects such a large part of our population. Its the stigma that you attach to it that makes porn dirty and separates it from art. Its that stigma that pushes porn into the shadows and alows it to be perverted. Its the pornographers self defense of these perversions, that make it dangerous at all.
Posted by masonx (244 comments )
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Evidence that .XXX domain is the right way
Well...the next day's headline went like this:
"Adult industry welcomes .xxx domain rejection"

Here is a blurb from the enligtened Clinton Alexander (a porn site web designer):

"The idea in the adult entertainment industry is to mainstream adult content to the point where it is not different from selling any other commodity, such as groceries," Alexander said. "The more publicly mainstream porn becomes, the more money the adult entertainment companies make...Creating an 'Internet red light district' goes against mainstreaming adult content, so most of the producers I know were against the .xxx suffix from the beginning of the debate."

This is strong evidence that .XXX helps segratate some of the internet's sleaze into the dark corner it belongs. Alexander knows that keeping porn mixed in with "mainstream" internet content helps his industry stay profitable and grow stronger. So any god-fearing, family-friendly, society loving person should take this to heart and seriously consider how unwise ICANN's decision was.
Posted by jslauson (8 comments )
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Spending time on the wrong thing ...
Whatever the domain extension is, it won't solve the problem. If you think about, the internet like having cable tv, but that cable tv service having unlimited porn channels. It's not right.
Posted by clickweb123 (4 comments )
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Spending time on the wrong thing ...
Whatever the domain extension is, it won't solve the problem. If you think about, the internet like having cable tv, but that cable tv service having unlimited porn channels. It's not right.
Posted by clickweb123 (4 comments )
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Only if ...
The only way this ruling would be beneficial is is the following:

(a) All pornographic sites were mandated to have an .xxx rating by 2007.

(b) Current non-xxx domain extensions that porn sites can FWD to the xxx extension for a 12 month time frame. After that, the non-xxx domain will go deleted and may not be registered.

(c) No more porn related domains for non-xxx domain extension can be registered after Dec. 31, 2006. Therefore, domains can't be just randomly registered w/o monitoring -- there will need to be an APPROVAL process.

(d) No porn sites can be allowed to advertise on Google, Yahoo, MSN, etc. and there also needs to be a law where no porn sites can be spidererd/indexed by search engines.

(e) ALL ISP's would allow the XXX extension, but there would be a $99.95 a month access fee to view .xxx websites, and users would have to register with the "XXX Watch List".

(f) There would be an organization similar to the FCC that would monitor this entire program (the $99.95 monthly access fee above would pay for this organization) and there would be stiff penalties and fines if this was broken.


The internet is still the wild west. I know I'm dreaming with my above stipulations (am I missing anything?), but that would be the most ideal situation.

-Tim
Posted by clickweb123 (4 comments )
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You lost me.
I was with you right until (d), (e), and (f). Grow up, the planet is not Disney World and not every adult is offended by pornography. This scenario is ideal only if you think imposing your values on other people is a good idea.

In which case, you're an idiot.

-C
Posted by Remo_Williams (488 comments )
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Almost...
Actually, I was with you until E: A $100 fee sounds too high (remember, there will be enough porn viewers out there to easily pay for any organization with a few bucks a month!), and a "Watch list" for all XXX material is way too much.

Also, if you do A, B, and C, D is really unneccessary. Advertising and googling would be fine, as long as there is separation between ads/searches and the content.
Posted by Steve Jordan (126 comments )
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as soon as
Churches pay to be on the net and must register.

You pay extra for street repair by churches because of the extra activity asociates with a tex free enterprise.

You pay me cause I can hear the stupid "angelis" ring out at 8am like a left over from the gong show with no recourse. At least with porn you can avoid it.

While the above is rediculous it makes as much practical sense as your porn suggestion.
Posted by R Me (196 comments )
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Only if ...
The only way this ruling would be beneficial is is the following:

(a) All pornographic sites were mandated to have an .xxx rating by 2007.

(b) Current non-xxx domain extensions that porn sites can FWD to the xxx extension for a 12 month time frame. After that, the non-xxx domain will go deleted and may not be registered.

(c) No more porn related domains for non-xxx domain extension can be registered after Dec. 31, 2006. Therefore, domains can't be just randomly registered w/o monitoring -- there will need to be an APPROVAL process.

(d) No porn sites can be allowed to advertise on Google, Yahoo, MSN, etc. and there also needs to be a law where no porn sites can be spidererd/indexed by search engines.

(e) ALL ISP's would allow the XXX extension, but there would be a $99.95 a month access fee to view .xxx websites, and users would have to register with the "XXX Watch List".

(f) There would be an organization similar to the FCC that would monitor this entire program (the $99.95 monthly access fee above would pay for this organization) and there would be stiff penalties and fines if this was broken.


The internet is still the wild west. I know I'm dreaming with my above stipulations (am I missing anything?), but that would be the most ideal situation.

-Tim
Posted by clickweb123 (4 comments )
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You lost me.
I was with you right until (d), (e), and (f). Grow up, the planet is not Disney World and not every adult is offended by pornography. This scenario is ideal only if you think imposing your values on other people is a good idea.

In which case, you're an idiot.

-C
Posted by Remo_Williams (488 comments )
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Almost...
Actually, I was with you until E: A $100 fee sounds too high (remember, there will be enough porn viewers out there to easily pay for any organization with a few bucks a month!), and a "Watch list" for all XXX material is way too much.

Also, if you do A, B, and C, D is really unneccessary. Advertising and googling would be fine, as long as there is separation between ads/searches and the content.
Posted by Steve Jordan (126 comments )
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as soon as
Churches pay to be on the net and must register.

You pay extra for street repair by churches because of the extra activity asociates with a tex free enterprise.

You pay me cause I can hear the stupid "angelis" ring out at 8am like a left over from the gong show with no recourse. At least with porn you can avoid it.

While the above is rediculous it makes as much practical sense as your porn suggestion.
Posted by R Me (196 comments )
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Reality
So if this decision was not for political reasons then what were the reasons? Like it or not porn is here, has been here since before the web, and will be here as long as humans exist. Like it or not porn in many forms is not illegal. So how does creating an easy way to categorize and filter (some) porn legitimize something that is already legitimate?

This head-in-the-sand mentality has got to stop. If we wish to make this a better world and a better Internet then we need to see what is really there. Ignoring the parts we do not like is a childish act I would scold my six year old for. Reality exists as it does whether we want it to or not and wishing only works in Hollywood.
Posted by kevinblack01 (5 comments )
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the reason it was denied
Is because there was no way to force porn into the .xxx domain. It was just going to be another are they could expand into.
Posted by techguy83 (295 comments )
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Reality
So if this decision was not for political reasons then what were the reasons? Like it or not porn is here, has been here since before the web, and will be here as long as humans exist. Like it or not porn in many forms is not illegal. So how does creating an easy way to categorize and filter (some) porn legitimize something that is already legitimate?

This head-in-the-sand mentality has got to stop. If we wish to make this a better world and a better Internet then we need to see what is really there. Ignoring the parts we do not like is a childish act I would scold my six year old for. Reality exists as it does whether we want it to or not and wishing only works in Hollywood.
Posted by kevinblack01 (5 comments )
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the reason it was denied
Is because there was no way to force porn into the .xxx domain. It was just going to be another are they could expand into.
Posted by techguy83 (295 comments )
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Compuer Oligarchy and conflict of interest.
Did it ever occur to you that the computer porn is on computers, and that the people who are running the ISPs and portals that wouldn't comply with the Justice Dept's subpoena such as yahoo or google or earthlink or whoever wouldn't do it because it would expose them and their porno activities?
LOL!!!!!!!
Also, this recent vote by the ICANN board seems to be similar to the Supreme Court's vote in 1973.
"Run some ***** to the board and do sexual favors for them to get this measure defeated."
How much of an idiot does a person need to be not to know what is happening or to actually pull these pranks in the USA?
Posted by stoprebelling (3 comments )
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Compuer Oligarchy and conflict of interest.
Did it ever occur to you that the computer porn is on computers, and that the people who are running the ISPs and portals that wouldn't comply with the Justice Dept's subpoena such as yahoo or google or earthlink or whoever wouldn't do it because it would expose them and their porno activities?
LOL!!!!!!!
Also, this recent vote by the ICANN board seems to be similar to the Supreme Court's vote in 1973.
"Run some ***** to the board and do sexual favors for them to get this measure defeated."
How much of an idiot does a person need to be not to know what is happening or to actually pull these pranks in the USA?
Posted by stoprebelling (3 comments )
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Conservatives have needs too...
Conservatives have needs too...

And it would be much more convenient for them to go to a .com domain to satisfy those needs than to go to a .xxx domain that they are axpected to block, being what they are...
Posted by hadaso (468 comments )
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Conservatives have needs too...
Conservatives have needs too...

And it would be much more convenient for them to go to a .com domain to satisfy those needs than to go to a .xxx domain that they are axpected to block, being what they are...
Posted by hadaso (468 comments )
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Why was it voted down - whats the point of wriing the article?
Ingrid Marson - who tried to teach you to write? Didn't you think your readers might also like to know why ICAN rejected the xxx domain? Did you ever hear about the journalistic basics - Who, What, When, Where, and WHY? Apparently not. Apparently C/Net editors are no better educated than you either.
Posted by masonx (244 comments )
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Why was it voted down - whats the point of wriing the article?
Ingrid Marson - who tried to teach you to write? Didn't you think your readers might also like to know why ICAN rejected the xxx domain? Did you ever hear about the journalistic basics - Who, What, When, Where, and WHY? Apparently not. Apparently C/Net editors are no better educated than you either.
Posted by masonx (244 comments )
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they claim it would be easier to avoid those sites
did icann ever elaborate how would making .xxx easier for people to aviod porn sites?
Posted by newcreation (118 comments )
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they claim it would be easier to avoid those sites
did icann ever elaborate how would making .xxx easier for people to aviod porn sites?
Posted by newcreation (118 comments )
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advocate of .xxx
did these advocates ever elaborate how would it make it easier for people to avoid those sights
Posted by newcreation (118 comments )
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advocate of .xxx
did these advocates ever elaborate how would it make it easier for people to avoid those sights
Posted by newcreation (118 comments )
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why
...was .xxx voted down?

Probably because there are some rational minds prevailing at ICANN.


It would not help inadvertant viewing of porn unless it was also made illegal to use any other TLD for porn. Most pron-holers would just get the corresponding and more .xxx domain names and forward them to their existing domain name. What the .xxx domain would do however is make a large list of internet porn-holers. It would also make it more likely that at some time in the future an attempt would be made to shut-off porn. It would also make a nice target for the right-wing, god spouting, hypocritcal, lying, religious zealots to use for propaganda.

I say way to go for ICANN to putting a road-block up in front of dubya and his bible toting idiot cronies.
Posted by R Me (196 comments )
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why
...was .xxx voted down?

Probably because there are some rational minds prevailing at ICANN.


It would not help inadvertant viewing of porn unless it was also made illegal to use any other TLD for porn. Most pron-holers would just get the corresponding and more .xxx domain names and forward them to their existing domain name. What the .xxx domain would do however is make a large list of internet porn-holers. It would also make it more likely that at some time in the future an attempt would be made to shut-off porn. It would also make a nice target for the right-wing, god spouting, hypocritcal, lying, religious zealots to use for propaganda.

I say way to go for ICANN to putting a road-block up in front of dubya and his bible toting idiot cronies.
Posted by R Me (196 comments )
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Who is ICANN kididng?
Of course they buckled under the political pressure. Maybe it is time to revisit the UN proposal to "internationalize" the ICANN function and take control away from the US. This ICANN decision just flies in the face of pragmatism and economic realism, and in fact logic.
Sex-related word/phrase searches comprise up to 60% of all searches, and have for over five years, maybe more, ever since Keyword Tracker and others have kept statistics on this subject.
.XXX as a domain destination would easily focus the many searchers on the result they wanted, reduce unwanted results in other areas of search, and offer a revenue source.
When will the "legislators of my morality" realize that they don't get to control the way I think, or the free enterprise system.
It serves the US right if we lose control over this most valuable of world resources, ICANN.
While I'm not big into porno, I certainly don't think I have the right to tell my neighbors or friends around the world that they can't watch it whenever, and where ever they choose.
Making the search for such materials easier just makes sense, economic and otherwise.

Diogenes
Posted by bdennis410 (175 comments )
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Who is ICANN kididng?
Of course they buckled under the political pressure. Maybe it is time to revisit the UN proposal to "internationalize" the ICANN function and take control away from the US. This ICANN decision just flies in the face of pragmatism and economic realism, and in fact logic.
Sex-related word/phrase searches comprise up to 60% of all searches, and have for over five years, maybe more, ever since Keyword Tracker and others have kept statistics on this subject.
.XXX as a domain destination would easily focus the many searchers on the result they wanted, reduce unwanted results in other areas of search, and offer a revenue source.
When will the "legislators of my morality" realize that they don't get to control the way I think, or the free enterprise system.
It serves the US right if we lose control over this most valuable of world resources, ICANN.
While I'm not big into porno, I certainly don't think I have the right to tell my neighbors or friends around the world that they can't watch it whenever, and where ever they choose.
Making the search for such materials easier just makes sense, economic and otherwise.

Diogenes
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