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torture techniques, breaking and entering, and close-quarter fighting, and these are all little South American dictatorships. And then there is the humanist angle of antigravity technology and the 9/11 thing, but that didn't get very far.
Was your main motivation the search for extraterrestrials?
McKinnon: That is how it started off, and it then grew into suspicions about 9/11, because there are hundreds of unanswered questions about 9/11: the dragging away of all the forensics evidence, and the sale of all the concrete and steel to China. Even the firemen of New York organized their own Web site to complain that this isn't a proper process. Then there are the schools for terrorists run by America to help Latin-American dictatorships and stuff.
So when you were searching for extraterrestrial life, how did you feel about it? Was it just fun?
McKinnon: It was mainly very, very boring. You had to trawl through so much, and bear in mind that it wasn't publicly accessible Web sites, it was all private military Web sites. So it was about logistics, support and, basically, as soon as I controlled a network, I ran a file-searching program looking for keywords in files. So it was exciting every time you did turn up something, which only happened a few times. That was very exciting. I called it research, but it is a bit of a misnomer really.
Was the fun part just in being where you are not supposed to be?
McKinnon: Yes. There (was) a definite illicit thrill that didn't last very long. The issues around the UFO thing, as I discovered more and learned more, became much more serious. Eventually it became all about the issue of suppressed technology. I know for a fact that they have antigravity. And the basic quantum-physical mechanics of having antigravity imply a free source of energy, getting energy direct from the vacuum. Now to me, that would stop all the wars over oil. It would help fight famine and (help) with irrigation. It would be free energy, and that is a huge thing.
So the U.S. has have developed an antigravity device?
McKinnon: Yes. Recently, I think two years ago, Boeing Aerospace announced that they were putting $50 million into investigating antigravity research. For me, the timing was interesting because I think it is something they already have, but it's not general knowledge, and if they were caught they would probably say that it was renegade factions high up in NASA, high up in the military and high up in commerce.
How do you come across these things? Is information on antigravity devices freely available?
McKinnon: Some of it is, but it is a combination of what is freely available and what isn't. Take the Disclosure Project, which is a Washington lobbyist group run by Steven Greer, a military doctor, and he had 300 testimonials in his book from people, ranging from civilian air traffic controllers to ex-commanders-in-chief of NATO, all saying, "Yes, UFOs exist; yes, certain parts of the military know about this, and have this and are using the technology and implementing a trickle-down thing so that eventually the technology will be everywhere."
How does the possibility of being extradited to the U.S. make you feel?
McKinnon: Better than I was the first time around (in 2002), although it is very similar. I had lots of work lined up which was Internet-related--computer games testing--and I have lost that because of my bail conditions. My landlord wants me out, because of all the press and police attention we had, so it is a bit of a rerun of 2002. Lost the flat, lost the work, but I managed to keep the girlfriend this time.
For a few days it was very dark, but I am feeling quite up now because we have been talking to Boris Johnson (a conservative member of Parliament), who is leading a Parliamentary Early Day Motion against the 2003 Extradition Act along with the Enron Three--or the NatWest Three, as they like to be called now (three British bankers who are also facing extradition to the U.S. on charges related to the Enron financial scandal). So together we are trying to get a judicial review going and change the law.
So what is the official position?
McKinnon: I asked my solicitor why the CPS had taken (my) case away from the U.K. police and handed it to the U.S. She was speaking to someone who was fairly high up, and he said that it had gone way above his head. Reading between the lines, that means the Home Office.
Is that a good thing?
McKinnon: No. It almost sounds like a done deal to me. The fact that I am not alone is encouraging. We are getting nearly 70 MPs (members of Parliament) signed up to the early day motion.
Have you had much response, or help, from the hacker community?
McKinnon: I never really mixed with the hacker community, if you can call them that. In fact, after all of this happened back in 2002, some of them contacted me, but they are not really hackers. In fact they are all professionals, but they used to hack, and they are very good and they are a knowledgeable lot. Some know about the law, some know forensic computing, and there has been a good bit of support there. In fact, the Free Gary Web site came from one of those people.
A Web site you are not allowed to use, of course, because of your bail conditions?
Right, I have to collect printouts of my e-mails and stuff, which is silly, as I have been free to use the Internet for three years, although I haven't actually had my own Internet account.
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