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By Declan McCullagh and Anne Broache
Staff Writers, CNET News.com
February 5, 2008 4:00 AM PST
Editor's note: A May deadline looms as just one flash point in a political showdown between Homeland Security and states that oppose Real ID demands. This is the second in a four-part series examining the confrontation.
The nation's capital attracts more than 15 million visitors a year, mostly leisure travelers who often make their way to the city's official visitor center, which is conveniently located downtown in a corner of the Ronald Reagan building.
Or was that inconveniently located? Starting May 11, Americans living in states that don't comply with new federal regulations could be barred from entering Washington D.C.'s visitor center and collecting the complimentary maps and brochures--unless they happen to bring a U.S. passport or military ID with them.
That not-very-welcoming rule is part of a 2005 law called the Real ID Act, which takes effect in just over three months. It says that driver's licenses from states that have not agreed to Real ID mandates from the Department of Homeland Security, or which have not requested a deadline extension, can no longer be used to access "federal facilities."
Because the visitor center is in a government building that checks ID, it might just become off-limits to Americans with licenses or state ID cards from the following noncompliant states: Maine, South Carolina, Montana, Oklahoma, and New Hampshire. Fifteen other states and the District of Columbia have not decided whether to comply or ask for an extension, according to a survey conducted by CNET News.com over the last two weeks, meaning the fate of driver's licenses and state ID cards used by their residents remains uncertain.
This could become be a politically volatile situation for the Bush administration, which has championed Real ID as a way to identify terrorists and criminals--but now faces a groundswell of opposition by state governments, as well as the prospect of inconveniencing millions of otherwise law-abiding Americans at airports and at the entrances of buildings maintained by their own tax dollars. Homeland Security says, laconically, that it "cannot predict how individuals" from those states will be affected.
No Real ID, no admittance?
Starting May 11, unless your home state agrees to comply with the federal Real ID Act or unless it asks for an extension, you might have trouble getting into federal buildings. Click a state below to see what that state has told us about whether or not its ID cards will meet Real ID requirements.
Alabama
Alabama plans to ask for an extension. "At this point, one option that's being considered is a 'hybrid' approach to Real ID in Alabama, by which the state would offer compliant and noncompliant driver licenses and ID cards. We do plan to ask for an extension."
--Dorris Teague, Public Information/Education Unit, Alabama Department of Public Safety
Alaska
"Alaska does indeed intend to request an extension to meet the requirements of Real ID. We haven't submitted our extension request yet, but we fully intend to do so in the very near future."
--Whitney Brewster, spokeswoman, Alaska Division of Motor Vehicles
Arizona
Arizona says that Homeland Security has said the state will "automatically get an extension" because of an existing plan to revamp its licenses, according to Jeanine L'Ecuyer, spokeswoman for Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano. That means its driver's licenses and state ID cards will be treated as Real ID-compliant until December 31, 2009.
But L'Ecuyer added that final compliance is still an open question: "Will Arizona do Real ID? Maybe is the honest answer to that question."
Arkansas
"We have asked for the first extension, but in the extension letter, we say we are not committed to implementing Real ID. We just need time to look at it and evaluate it."
--Mike Munns, assistant revenue commissioner for Arkansas
California
California reiterated in January 2008 that it has no problems complying with Real ID. Its statement did, however, mention "privacy and funding issues, which continue to be a concern for California."
Colorado
"We requested and received the extension until 2009, and we expect to be fully on the road to implementing Real ID satisfactorily by that point to get another extension in the future if we need to."
--Mark Couch, spokesman for the Colorado Department of Revenue
Connecticut
Connecticut has not decided whether to comply with Real ID, reject it completely, or request an extension to keep its options open. "We are still studying the issue. (Department of Motor Vehicles Commissioner Robert Ward) remains supportive of the concept, but no firm decisions have been made."
--Bill Seymour, spokesman for the motor vehicle commissioner.
Delaware
Delaware has not decided whether to comply with Real ID, reject it completely, or request an extension to keep its options open. "The DMV director and secretary are going to give a briefing to the governor next month, February. Because we've got until the end of March to decide...After they have this meeting with the governor is when we're going to make our official choice."
--Mike Williams, spokesman, Delaware Department of Transportation
Florida
Florida has not announced whether it will or will not request an extension. "Thanks to the leadership of our governor, cabinet, and legislature, Florida already provides our citizens a secure and safe driver license and identification card, and we are well postured to incorporate any changes that may be required. We applaud the federal government on their efforts to protect all of our citizens with the implementation of this act."
--Ann Nucatola, public information director, Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles
Georgia
Georgia has not decided whether to comply with Real ID, reject it completely, or request an extension to keep its options open. The legislature has approved legislation authorizing the governor to reject Real ID if federal regulations do not "adequately safeguard and restrict use of the information in order to protect the privacy rights" of Georgia residents. "Our legislature has to make that determination within the next few months."
--Susan Sports, public information officer, Georgia Department of Driver Services
Hawaii
Hawaii has filed for and received an extension. "We are moving forward on reviewing the rules and coordinating with the county DMVs to see how the rules can be implemented and coordinated."
--Russell Pang, chief of Media Relations for Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle
Idaho
"We've asked for an extension, but we still have serious concerns and reservations about it and its future here is to be determined."
--Jon Hanian, spokesman for Idaho Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter
Illinois
"We have every intention to file for an extension."
--Henry Haupt, spokesman for Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White
Indiana
"We do intend to comply, and we have filed for and received an extension. Over the past couple of years, we've done some security enhancements to our own system that we were going to do regardless of how Real ID rolled out."
--Dennis Rosebrough, spokesman, Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles
Iowa
"Yes, Iowa will be implementing Real ID and we will be requesting the first extension."--Dena Gray-Fisher, spokeswoman, Iowa Department of Transportation
Kansas
"Kansas has obtained authorization for the extension, which gets us out to the end of 2009 and affords us the opportunity to see where we are, negotiate a few different things with our vendor and others. It gives us a little breathing room."
--Carmen Alldritt, director of the division of vehicles, Kansas Department of Revenue
Kentucky
"A Real ID would be an entirely new document. The current KY license would not meet the new standard...Kentucky has asked for the extension."
--Mark Brown, spokesman, Kentucky Transportation Cabinet
Louisiana
State officials have not responded to repeated requests for information about Real ID compliance. One bill in the state legislature asks Congress to repeal Real ID, while a response to a DMV survey says that "We believe that Louisiana will meet standards."
Maine
Will not comply. "There is currently no effort being undertaken within the state to roll back the public law preventing the secretary from moving in the direction of Real ID. It is a situation where Mainers may face some inconvenience at airports come May 11."
--Don Cookson, spokesman for Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap
Maryland
Maryland requested a deadline extension. "We're still going through 300 pages of federal guidelines. We're currently evaluating those guidelines and then we'll develop a program that is Real ID-compliant."
--Jack Cahalan, spokesman, Maryland Department of Transportation
Massachusetts
"Massachusetts did apply for the waiver and received it. We are basically telling (drivers who call us) that we've gotten the exemption, which means that you are going to show your valid driver's license to get on an airplane just as you have in the past until December 2009."
--Ann Dufresne, spokeswoman, Massachusetts Department of Motor Vehicles.
After December 2009, states can apply for a second extension, but will receive it only if they're taking affirmative steps to comply.
Michigan
Michigan has not decided whether to comply with Real ID, reject it completely, or request an extension to keep its options open. "At this point, we have not requested a waiver. We're still trying to work out some of the details."
--Kelly Chesney, spokeswoman for Michigan Secretary of State Terri Lyn Land. The state's Web site says: "There are still many unknowns...Michigan law changes will be necessary."
Minnesota
"We did receive a letter from Homeland Security and it said that our extension had been granted, so that would mean that our documents, our driver's licenses, and ID cards, are compliant until December 31, 2009."
--Minnesota Department of Public Safety spokeswoman
Mississippi
No response to repeated inquiries.
Missouri
No response to repeated inquiries. The state Web site says: "January 11, 2008 the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released the final rule establishing minimum security standards for state-issued driver licenses and identification cards. The rule is 284 pages in length. The Missouri Department of Revenue is in the process of reviewing the rules to determine the impact to Missouri."
Montana
Montana's legislature has flatly rejected Real ID in a bill that the governor has signed into law. Gov. Brian Schwitzer has called on his colleagues in other states this month to join Montana in opposition to this "major threat to the privacy, constitutional rights, and pocketbooks of ordinary Montanans." Lynn Solomon, a spokeswoman for the Montana attorney general's office, told us: "Right now we're not even sure that the existing Montana law allows us to ask for the extension. We're just sort of sitting tight."
Nebraska
"Nebraska has requested and has been granted an initial extension. That extension does not require you to technically commit to Real ID compliance--it says we need some time, and that's what we said, we need some time. Whether or not Nebraska is ultimately going to be compliant is really for the most part right now in the hands of the legislature."
--Beverly Neth, director, Nebraska Department of Motor Vehicles
Nevada
Nevada has applied for a deadline extension. "Certainly this is something that the governor supports and believes is important, although he believes in some respects it is an unfunded mandate and that the federal government should assist the states with the funding," Melissa Subbotin, spokeswoman for Nevada Gov. Jim Gibbons, told us.
New Hampshire
New Hampshire last year enacted a law that prohibits the state from changing its driver's license and identification card laws to comply with Real ID. It doesn't appear that is going to change. "As it stands now, the only action that has been taken is legislation to keep us out of it. There would be no way that the state could pass amending legislation or undo that within that time frame; it's just not going to happen. I don't see that anything could be done in the intervening time to change it," Jim Van Dongen, spokesman for the New Hampshire Department of Safety, told us.
New Jersey
New Jersey has not decided whether to comply with Real ID, reject it completely, or request an extension to keep its options open. Mike Horan, a spokesman for the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission, said there are a number of factors that the state is considering, including cost and wait times at the DMV. "Are the Real ID requirements going to add 15 minutes more to a person's wait? Are we going to need a new computer system to manage the requirements? We're in a bit of a fiscal crisis like many states across the country. That's a major concern--there are so many things that are in need of money."
New Mexico
New Mexico has applied for the first deadline extension from the Department of Homeland Security. "We have not made a final decision on whether we are going to implement Real ID or not," said David Harwell, a spokesman for the state department of taxation and revenue, which issues driver's licenses. "We are in the process of studying all of the regulations that were issued by Secretary (Michael) Chertoff several weeks ago."
New York
New York has already received an "unsolicited extension" from the Department of Homeland Security as part of a recent agreement to change its driver license policies, said Jennifer Givner, deputy press secretary for Gov. Eliot Spitzer.
North Carolina
North Carolina said it will request an extension if it's necessary for state residents to travel after May 11, but has not yet done so. "We're feeling that we are on track to follow along the Real ID plan as it is right now. We don't see any situation at this point where our citizens' driver's licenses would be in jeopardy and keeping them out of federal buildings or off of airplanes...Basically we feel like we're in a good place."
--Marge Howell, spokeswoman, North Carolina Division of Motor Vehicles
North Dakota
North Dakota has applied for a deadline extension. "Our application is stating that we'd like the extension and we would still like to reserve the opportunity to investigate committing to full implementation," said Linda Butts, deputy director of driver and vehicle services, North Dakota Department of Transportation. "The other thing that's muddying the water is that so many of these rules are long-term and seem to continue to mutate and change a little bit, so that's another thing I think all states are looking at is the cost of implementation. Are these truly going to be the rules in 2015? Will the rules today be the rules that are implemented five, seven years down the road?"
Ohio
Ohio said this month that it has applied for an extension and was the first state to receive one.
Oklahoma
Oklahoma's legislature has approved legislation saying that Real ID "is inimical to the security and well-being of the people of Oklahoma" and, therefore, "the state of Oklahoma shall not participate in the implementation of the Real ID Act." Paul Sund, spokesman for Oklahoma governor's office, told us: "I'm not aware of any repeal efforts, but our legislature does not convene until February 4."
Oregon
Oregon has requested and received an extension. In the longer term, however, the state may not comply. "Oregon hasn't made a decision for or against compliance with Real ID. But since the final federal rules were released January 10, our legislature is likely to put that on its 2009 agenda."
--David House, spokesman for the Oregon Department of Motor Vehicles
Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania has requested and received an extension. In the longer term, however, the state may not comply. "We're undergoing a comprehensive review of those regulations right now to look at some potential options, the cost that would be involved and also the impact to the citizens of Pennsylvania. Being granted this initial extension just allows us more time to do that and allows the citizens of the commonwealth to continue using their state driver's licenses and IDs through December 31, 2009."
--Danielle Klinger, spokeswoman, Pennsylvania Department of Transportation
Rhode Island
Rhode Island has applied for and received the first deadline extension from DHS, according to state DMV spokeswoman Gina Zanni. "Our governor supports the Real ID initiative," Zanni told us. "We have applied for part of the grant money that has been made available...we'd sure like some money."
South Carolina
South Carolina has enacted legislation saying the state "shall not participate in the implementation of the federal Real ID Act." Beth Parks, spokeswoman for the South Carolina Department of Motor Vehicles, told us: "Yes, it is true that South Carolina is a non-participatory state for Real ID. The South Carolina legislature is the only entity that can change that position. We are comparing the new regulations to the proposed regulations and our previous cost estimates. Once we have completed our review, we will provide information to South Carolina lawmakers and answer any questions they may have."
South Dakota
"We've applied for an extension and received one, but we have not committed to Real ID yet," said Mitch Krebs, press secretary for South Dakota Gov. Michael Rounds.
Tennessee
"The Department of Safety is conducting a detailed review of the final rules in order to fully evaluate the impact Real ID implementation will have on the citizens of the state of Tennessee. While we anticipate filing an extension, no official request has been signed as of this date.
Keep in mind, an extension request is not necessarily an indication of our intent to comply."
--Mike Browning, spokesman, Tennessee Department of Safety
Texas
Texas has not decided whether to comply with Real ID, reject it completely, or request an extension to keep its options open. "We're still reading the fine print." --Tela Mange, spokeswoman, Texas Department of Public Safety
Utah
Utah has requested and received a deadline extension. "Our driver's license division is not a policy-making body. It would be up to the legislature and the governor. We are currently going through our legislative session--it just started. That will be one of the topics, whether to go through with it."
--Sgt. Jeff Nigbur, spokesman, Utah Department of Public Safety
Vermont
"Vermont requested and was granted an extension until December 31, 2009."
--John Zicconi, spokesman, Vermont Agency of Transportation
Virginia
Virginia has not decided whether to comply with Real ID, reject it completely, or request an extension to keep its options open. "The Virginia DMV is currently reviewing the regulations to determine our next steps."
--Melanie Stokes, spokeswoman, Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles
Washington
Gov. Christine Gregoire signed legislation last year prohibiting the state from implementing Real ID unless the federal government provides funding and greater privacy protections. But, in an apparent effort to avoid inconveniencing state residents in May, Gregoire requested a compliance extension. "By not filing an extension, effective May 11, Washingtonians would have automatically been subject to additional security screenings at airports and federal buildings," Gregoire said in a recent statement. It also said: "I will not allow for confusion and chaos at our busy airports. This extension will allow our residents to continue use of their Washington state driver license or ID card to board planes and enter federal buildings...The federal regulations on Real ID compliance are ambiguous, and I share funding and privacy concerns held by many state legislators."
West Virginia
West Virginia has not decided whether to comply with Real ID, reject it completely, or request an extension to keep its options open. "In West Virginia we are still weighing our options based upon the recent changes to the act's requirements."
--Susan Watkins, spokeswoman, West Virginia Department of Transportation
Wisconsin
Wisconsin has not decided whether to comply with Real ID, reject it completely, or request an extension to keep its options open. "We've not made a final determination regarding next steps for Wisconsin as it relates to Real ID," said Patrick Fernan, operations manager for the Wisconsin Department of Motor Vehicles. "We have not requested an extension as of yet."
Wyoming
Wyoming plans to request a deadline extension. "Unless the law for implementation of Real ID is changed in Washington D.C. or our Wyoming Legislature passes legislation not to comply with the Real ID, we will work toward implementation," said Jim O'Connor, support services administrator for the Wyoming Department of Transportation. He added, however: "We are concerned about this unfunded federal mandate and the effect it will have on the people of Wyoming."
Washington, D.C.
The nation's capital has not decided whether to comply with Real ID, reject it completely, or request an extension to keep its options open. "The DC DMV is still deciding on next steps," said public information officer Janis Hazel. "Nothing further to report at this time."
Real ID's scope is surprisingly broad. Jurors could potentially be denied entrance to federal courthouses. So could prospective students visiting the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis or the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. Tours of federal buildings such as the Pentagon and the Treasury Department could be affected, as could public hearings, conferences, and even concerts. And some Americans could be denied entrance to the U.S. Capitol building, the iconic heart of the nation's democracy.
"This will help demonstrate directly to federal officials how impossible Real ID is," said Jim Harper, director of information policy studies at the Cato Institute, a member of a Homeland Security advisory panel, and a critic of the law. "It'll also make constitutional challenges to the act ripe."
Homeland Security declined to elaborate on exactly how federal agencies and military bases will comply with the 300 pages of regulations released last month. Amy Kudwa, a DHS representative, merely said that agencies will be "prohibited from accepting state-issued driver's licenses or photo ID cards for federal purposes unless states are in compliance with the mandatory minimum standards for Real ID."
To be sure, not all federal buildings demand that visitors show identification to enter (nothing changes if no ID is required). And it's possible that Congress may alter the law before May 11 in response to pressure from irked state officials. One Senate bill would do just that--but it's been stuck in a committee ever since it was introduced in February 2007.
Real ID could affect concerts, hospitals, hearings
Government offices contacted by CNET News.com over the last two weeks were unsure how they will comply with Real ID, which would likely mean handing guards a list of which state driver's licenses to reject. Visitors could present other forms of identification, such as a military ID, a federal employee ID, or U.S. passport, which the State Department says typically takes four to six weeks to obtain. (Less than 30 percent of Americans have U.S. passports, according a National Business Travel Association representative.) Another option is for government offices to simply stop asking for photo ID.
The Ronald Reagan building, home to the DC Chamber of Commerce's Visitor Information Center, is tight-lipped about its Real ID plans. Officials were unable to answer questions about denying non-Real ID visitors access to the center, which features a television showing a video of Pierre L'Enfant's plan for the city and touch-screen computers that print out directions to nearby landmarks. "We actually can't provide any information about that to you," said building representative Jaycie Roberts.
It was a common refrain. "We have not yet determined how it will impact FAA facilities," said Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Alison Duquette. "Once we make that determination, we will issue guidance to all FAA facilities well ahead of the May 11 deadline."
Washington D.C.'s visitor center. Under Real ID,
some visitors might not be allowed in.
Residents of states like California and New York that have agreed to comply with Real ID, or that have requested an extension, should not be affected by the May 11 deadline. But the District of Columbia and 15 other states, including populous ones like Texas, Virginia, and Michigan, have not requested an extension, leaving the ability of their citizens to access federal facilities up in the air.
"We're still reading the fine print," said Tela Mange, a spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Public Safety. Virginia was no more certain. "The Virginia DMV is currently reviewing the regulations to determine our next steps," said Melanie Stokes, a spokeswoman for the state's Department of Motor Vehicles.
Other effects of Real ID include:
• Social Security: Some Social Security offices are inside federal buildings, which means that Americans trying to replace a Medicare card or apply in person for government benefits could be inconvenienced. "In terms of getting into federal buildings, that wouldn't be something I could answer," said Mark Hinkle, a Social Security Administration spokesman who referred questions to Homeland Security.
• Veterans Affairs: Family members and friends visiting patients in Veterans Affairs hospitals could encounter problems. VA says it requests a government-issued photo ID for admission during times of a heightened alert level and isn't sure how to reconcile that requirement with Real ID rules. "The final rules for the law have to be reviewed by VA's legal and policy offices before the department can determine how to implement," Veterans Affairs spokeswoman Josephine Schuda said.
Next page: Edict is unambiguous
What is Real ID?
Federal regulations creating a uniform national ID card--called Real ID--take effect on May 11. If your state hasn't agreed in principle to upgrade its driver's licenses to be Real ID-compliant, you could have trouble traveling by air and taking advantage of some government services.
A CNET News.com survey shows that just over half of the states have signed up, while some have flatly refused to participate, typically citing costs or sovereignty worries. Privacy is another concern, with a mandatory barcode on Real ID cards lacking encryption or legal prohibitions against misuse, and mandatory linking of states' motor vehicle databases.
Stories in this series
Monday: Real ID could mean real travel headaches
In just over four months, millions of law-abiding Americans could face new
hassles when traveling on commercial flights if they hold driver's licenses or
ID cards issued by states that haven't agreed to comply with Real ID. Homeland
Security is already predicting "delays" and "enhanced security screening"
procedures for those Americans in the non-Real ID line at the airport.
Tuesday: Federal buildings become Real ID zones
Everyone from visitors to the U.S. Capitol building to
jurors being called to duty in federal courthouses could be affected by Real
ID's requirement that noncompliant driver's licenses may not be used to access
"federal facilities." Homeland Security says it "cannot predict" how many
Americans in non-Real ID states will be inconvenienced.
Wednesday: Religious minorities face Real ID crackdown
Some U.S. states have long allowed citizens with religious objections to avoid
having their photograph on driver's licenses. The Amish, Old Order Mennonites,
and some Muslim women fall into this category. But licenses without photographs
don't comply with Real ID, a rule that could invite a legal challenge.
Thursday: FAQ: How will Real ID affect you?
What are the privacy implications? What happens next? This list of frequently asked questions tries to clear up
some of the confusion surrounding the controversial law.
Previous coverage
DHS: Real ID could help shut down meth labs
Chertoff: Real ID will 'strengthen' Americans' privacy
National ID plan may have killed immigration bill
Senate takes step away from Real ID
Congress rethinks the Real ID Act
Homeland Security offers details on Real ID
FAQ: How Real ID will affect you
Related coverage
U.K. ditches ID card megadatabase
Tech industry attacks state anti-RFID laws
Britain to use ID card database as national register
New RFID travel cards could pose privacy threat
Feds: More data sharing by terrorist screeners
Passports to get RFID chip implants
Credits
Editors: Michelle Meyers, Desiree Everts
Design: Shaun Charity
Production: Daniel Judd
Survey: Anne Broache
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And they (still) call it democracy !
or food.
jury. It will also bar you from being a witness. It could also bar
you from voting. It will also bar you from social security and medicaid.
There is NOTHING good in this. That's why they forced it
through by attaching it secretly to a "must pass" bill funding the
troops and sending relief to the tsunami struck region in
Indonesia.
There is only one phrase you need to remember when you think
of realid - PAPERS PLEASE.
The feds are demanding that the states do their dirty work.
The real irony is that while most of the states have a problem with it, it's their own Senators and congressmen who passed the legislation. Irony. The could pass another bill to get rid of Real ID or make it a Federal Mandate to spend Federal Money doing a Federal ID for Federal Purposes to all members of the Federation upon birth or citizens ship.
So... eventually, under this scenario, you will face arrest... simply for not having a "REAL-ID"... Pretty-slick, huh..?
United States of Northern New England sounds good to me.
Paragraph 13 of Section 666 says that unless you provide your SSN, you cannot get a professional license, driver?s license, occupational license, recreational license, or marriage license.
Here's the specific paragraph:
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www2.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode42/usc_sec_42_00000666----000-.html#a_13_A" target="_newWindow">http://www2.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode42/usc_sec_42_00000666----000-.html#a_13_A</a>
RealID will not replace ANY of the other screening procedures in place, so there is no benefit or incentive for citizens who have it.
As an extension to this silliness, maybe the IRS should not be allowed to accept tax returns from citizens in non-compliant states!
Because of outlines when it was produced "for tax id purposes only.Does anyone remember that.I notice that states have been using your SS number as you state id already and few people have even asked how or why.Its funny how Colon Powell mentioned to a post cold war country how the US tracts its own people through an id meant for taxing only (your SS #) and now they are pushing for another way as well.When will it be enough and why the sudden change? Martial law with out having to anounce it? I think it might finally spark the real change we need, to disolve the union and finally clean the feds house out right.
Join the party and agree to all of its requirements or get locked out.
Well, perhaps I object to getting a driver's license and having my personal information stored on a DMV database. The state law doesn't allow me to drive if I don't have a state issued driver's license. This is an inconvenience to all of those us reject the driver's license requirements. The Big Brother fascist state government is taking away my freedom. We should demand that our state legislatures get rid of the driver's license requirement. Those who would trade freedom for safety (to paraphrase) deserver neither.
Declan McCullagh also has any obvious case of Bush Derangement Syndrome. He blames the president when this is truly a bipartisan law.
Who among us will lead? Lead by example! Will it be a common man or woman? If our media controls our thoughts and the secret few control them, who will expose them? Look around you and ask who is on your team? Is your family? Are your friends? How big is your circle of influence? Make noise be heard!!!!
If GWB has proved nothing else during his tenure, he has proven himself to be a "neo-con nut job". He is definitely, a far right-wing, authoritarian, extremist bordering on fascism.
buildings, to use their services, and the VA being part of the Federal
Government, does that mean that my VA card is Real-ID
compliant?
We rose in defiance of fear and tracked osama back to israel and dealt with him. Although he may very well be at large or dead in one of caves in the hills, The most disturbing part is that he may have actually won.That defiance of fear of osama and his terrorism, after the momentary urgency and anger has flashed by, has corroded away.
The FBI is suppose to investigate any violation of federal criminal laws and also protect the United States from foreign intelligence and terrorist activities. The National Guard is meant to be defending the nation, providing the states with units trained to protect life and property. Now with these two long running groups why do we need to form a new agency. We gave into fear and formed the homeland security whose mission is "served to mobilize and organize our nation to secure the homeland from terrorist attacks."(1) does not this task fall within the realms of the FBI and National Guard? Creating the unnescessary to shield us once again, does wearing another plastic glove over the first do us any good?
also in this time of fear we launched an attack on iraq as well in 2002. The reasons being we were afraid that hussein was building weapons of mass destruction and that he had connections to al-qaeda. to this date no evidence of them building new wmd since the 91 ban has been found(2). Also the relations between hussein an al-qaeda were unfounded and contains about as much substance as that of the easter bunny.(3) Just because people keep telling you he really hides all those eggs doesn't mean you should believe them.
it has been six years and some months since the attacks. A memorial has not been completed yet. one was not even started until about 5 years after the fact. Have we not failed those that gave their lives that day?
we use to be able travel inside the country with out having to provide our passports to fly. Why are we so afraid that we must treat other states as foreign countires? next they will be asking for duration of visit and buisiness or pleasure. Do we really want to turn into ww2 germany?
Now we are making people into first and second class citizens based on the real id acts. Allowing access to federal buildings and possibly our god given right to vote to only those with this new id. If the vote takes place in a federal building then we can be denied entry. The national goverment is burdening our states with the cost to run this program. If you are barred from the courts for not having a real id, you may very well be arrested for inattendance. This all for the sake of protecting us against terrorism.
what kind of legacy are we leaving to mar the passage of the twin towers and the others that day? What kind of america are we passing unto our children? On every piece of currency we carry it does not say in fear we trust. It says in god we trust and those who truly believe have no fear of the crashing waves and step out of the boat.
tremorfireheart@yahoo.com
(1)source:<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/strategicplan/index.shtm" target="_newWindow">http://www.dhs.gov/xabout/strategicplan/index.shtm</a> 11:14am central time
(2)^ a b c Blix, H. (March 7, 2003) "Transcript of Blix's U.N. presentation" CNN.com
(3)^ Kerr, R.J., et al. (29 July 2004) "Intelligence and Analysis on Iraq: Issues for the Intelligence Community,"
While this is way off topic, I'm really curious as to how somebody can make this claim 17 years after the fact and demand such a huge sum of money. It does not sound as though you tried to dodge any responsibility.
To share a similarly insane story... I have a brother whose ex-wife collected child support in one state, while also collecting welfare in another state. After collecting about $5000 or so in welfare, her state decided to withold money from my brother's federal income tax return to cover the cost of welfare! The state said it was his obligation to pay for that, in spite of the fact that he was not a resident of the state and he was (and had been) paying child support in his home state.
The child support laws are completely screwed up.