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• Public hearings and conferences: A nanoscience conference at Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, N.Y., is scheduled to begin May 19, eight days after Real ID takes effect. Attending conference seminars such as "Electrical Nanoprobes" and "Applications of Synchrotron-Based Microprobe and Imaging Techniques to Studies of Human Disease" means having to show photo ID, which could be problematic for researchers from non-Real ID states. In addition, some government hearings open to the public are held in federal buildings that require photo ID.

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• Concerts: Virtuoso pianist James Giles performed in a concert open to the public last November at the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois, which requires photo ID for admission. Concerts organized by the Argonne arts council in the future could be affected. "The department is currently reviewing our existing security policies to make the necessary changes to implement the DHS Rule on Real ID Act compliance," said Joann Wardrip, a spokeswoman for the Department of Energy, which oversees the Brookhaven and Argonne laboratories.

• Military academies and bases: The picturesque U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis requires picture ID to enter the grounds. "Currently there is no official DOD policy on the Real ID," said Ed Zeigler, director of public affairs for the Headquarters Naval District. "If and when official Real ID policy is established, we may be required to implement some changes." The Pentagon, which requires photo ID on tours, did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

From Homeland Security, an unyielding defense
From Homeland Security's perspective, the rules are clear: Real ID was signed on May 11, 2005, by President Bush, and federal agencies have had nearly three years to comply. The vote in Congress was overwhelmingly in favor of the law, part of a broader government spending and tsunami relief bill that was approved unanimously by the Senate and by a vote of 368 to 58 in the House of Representatives.

Real ID's edict is unambiguous. It says that "three years after the date of the enactment of this division, a federal agency may not accept, for any official purpose, a driver's license or identification card issued by a state to any person unless the state is meeting the requirements of this section." The definition of official purposes includes "accessing federal facilities."

Since its enactment, the Bush administration has been aggressively defending Real ID, noting that many of the hijackers on September 11, 2001, were able to fraudulently obtain U.S. driver's licenses. Because Real ID links state DMV databases, establishes a standard bar code that can be digitally scanned, and mandates that original documents such as birth certificates be verified, DHS officials claim the benefits extend beyond antiterror and ID fraud cases.

DHS recently suggested that Real ID could be expanded into a requirement that pharmacies check ID before selling drugs with pseudoephedrine such as Sudafed. It "could have other benefits as well, such as reducing unlawful employment, voter fraud, and underage drinking," Richard Barth, Homeland Security assistant secretary, told Congress (click for PDF) last year. Barth added: "Any state or territory that does not comply increases the risk for the rest of the nation."

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The entrance to the D.C. visitor center
in the Ronald Reagan building. Real ID
could stall some people at the door.

That unyielding rhetoric has not endeared Real ID to state governments, many of which have been critical of the law because of its privacy impact, sovereignty implications, and a total price tag estimated at more than $14 billion. To ease their concerns, Homeland Security last month extended the final compliance deadline to December 2017, but only states that agree to embrace Real ID and are able to demonstrate their progress qualify.

The May 11 date on which Real ID takes effect has sown confusion even among federal government agencies. Some claim they will not comply, despite the fact that the law's requirements apply to "federal facilities."

"Main Treasury will continue to accept a government-issued photo ID from visitors wishing to access the building. There will be no change in the IDs that are accepted for visitors," Treasury spokeswoman Eileen Gilligan said in an e-mail message. When asked whether non-Real ID driver's licenses and state identification cards will be accepted after the May deadline, Gilligan replied: "All government-issued photo IDs will be accepted."

Questions about access to the U.S. Capitol building also led to mixed messages. "Entry into the Capitol will be unaffected," said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, a public information officer with the U.S. Capitol Police. ID is required when entering the building for visitors not part of an organized tour.

But Homeland Security appears to believe otherwise. "We're working with other government branches, to include Capitol and U.S. Supreme Court, to ensure applicable enforcement of the law," said DHS representative Kudwa.

Because official business takes place in the Capitol building--some politicians have offices there and it is home to some committee hearings--critics of Real ID believe the law could violate Americans' First Amendment right to petition their government. "That's where you might start to see constitutional challenges," said Harper, the Cato Institute analyst.

Restricting access to courthouses is another area that touches on constitutional concerns. Federal courts can set their own rules, and many require identification: That category includes courthouses in Washington, D.C., Washington state, Texas, Delaware, and Louisiana. It also includes the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.

"The USMS and the courts continue to work together to address any issues that may arise as it relates to the act," said Nikki Credic, a representative of the U.S. Marshals Service in Washington, D.C.

In Maine, a state that has flatly rejected Real ID and appears to have no intention of ever complying, federal officials said they did not know how jurors or people attending naturalization ceremonies would be admitted to the courthouse. Witnesses in trials and parties to lawsuits, including criminal defendants out on bail, would also be affected.

"Obviously we are aware of the situation and we've been communicating with the folks at our headquarters in Virginia as to what our alternatives and options are for other solutions to people coming in," said John Clark, chief deputy marshal of the federal courthouse in Portland, Maine. "Right now I don't have a very specific answer for you."

Federal officials in Montana--whose governor has dubbed Real ID (PDF)--a "major threat" to the privacy and constitutional rights of state residents--also are unsure about details. "We're just waiting to see how things play out, to know where the chips fall so we can establish our strategy on how to make this thing work," said Rod Ostermiller, the chief deputy for the federal courthouse in Billings, Mont. "It's just like everything else, there's going to be some growing pains, no doubt about it."



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What a bunch of slop
by scdecade February 5, 2008 7:25 AM PST
We need to flush all of the politicians in Washington DC down the toilet. This police state anti-American filth is pure nonsense. We're becoming a militant third world banana republic all because our politicians got scared witless on 911. Who's afraid of terrorism? Not me. I'm afraid of the US federal government.
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Second class citizen
by My-Self February 5, 2008 8:23 AM PST
So here it is ... there is now first and second class citizen and what diferentiate them is carying a chip that allows the government to trace them everywhere they go. How long till entrance is denied to anyone late paying a bill, not showing enough support for war / patriotism or not a GOP member ?

And they (still) call it democracy !
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Not able to serve on a Jury?
by likes2comment February 5, 2008 8:59 AM PST
My wife thinks this would be great since if you cannot enter the building, you obviously cannot serve on a jury!
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Will this be the straw that breaks the camel's back?
by perogi21 February 5, 2008 9:14 AM PST
Is it time for individual states to take back their rights? I am surprised that VT has asked for an extension instead of following NH and Maine and just saying, "No".
United States of Northern New England sounds good to me.
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BS Security
by hassan_bin_sober February 5, 2008 9:21 AM PST
This government and especially the TSA has it's head so far up it's ass it's seeing daylight! I guess it could be interpreted to prevent me from having to suffer jury duty prosecuting some pot smoker in some government building. RFID and tattoos will be next... The answer ...SHOOT BACK!
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So 7-Eleven Will Require Real ID?
by Stating February 5, 2008 9:38 AM PST
They sell cold tabs with Sudafed. What about buying booze and cigs? That's controlled by ATF, another Federal agency. Hillary's healthcare? Yup, Real ID there too. Face it, a $3 trillion budget ensures that the Feds will infiltrate every aspect of your life to make America saffffferrrrrr.
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Real ID
by spruceman February 5, 2008 9:46 AM PST
How long before we become the "ideal police state," in which everyone's whereabouts and actions are under surveillance, that the USSR tried 75 years and failed to become?
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666-get ready for the fight!
by griznetcnet February 5, 2008 9:49 AM PST
This is the beginning of the end...
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False Sense of Security
by Dr_Zinj February 5, 2008 10:03 AM PST
RealID, like any other form of identification, can be forged. And the people most likely to be causing damage and destruction will be the ones most likely to have fake RealIDs that won't be spotted before it's too late.

RealID will not replace ANY of the other screening procedures in place, so there is no benefit or incentive for citizens who have it.
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So...
by J_Satch February 5, 2008 10:30 AM PST
this is going to stop terrorism? Will the terrorists have to get licenses that actually say TERRORIST on them?

As an extension to this silliness, maybe the IRS should not be allowed to accept tax returns from citizens in non-compliant states!
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First it was our SS number
by normlguyaz February 5, 2008 11:19 AM PST
Now it seems thats not enough, and why not?
Because of outlines when it was produced "for tax id purposes only.Does anyone remember that.I notice that states have been using your SS number as you state id already and few people have even asked how or why.Its funny how Colon Powell mentioned to a post cold war country how the US tracts its own people through an id meant for taxing only (your SS #) and now they are pushing for another way as well.When will it be enough and why the sudden change? Martial law with out having to anounce it? I think it might finally spark the real change we need, to disolve the union and finally clean the feds house out right.
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1st and 2nd Class Citizens
by Rick Cavaretti February 5, 2008 11:33 AM PST
So the citizenry of this country will be denied contact with their own government unless they comply with these requirements? Freedom, anyone remember that term, where did it go?

Join the party and agree to all of its requirements or get locked out.
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He who must not be named
by scdecade February 5, 2008 11:39 AM PST
Ron Paul
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A thought
by efrog1074 February 5, 2008 1:04 PM PST
So, perhaps without a "Real" ID (guess the rest are "False" IDs) you could not be sent to a federal prison. After all it is a federal building.
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Inconvenience?
by ktmotox February 5, 2008 1:16 PM PST
Declan McCullagh sure has a visible bias on this issue. "the prospect of inconveniencing millions of otherwise law-abiding Americans."

Well, perhaps I object to getting a driver's license and having my personal information stored on a DMV database. The state law doesn't allow me to drive if I don't have a state issued driver's license. This is an inconvenience to all of those us reject the driver's license requirements. The Big Brother fascist state government is taking away my freedom. We should demand that our state legislatures get rid of the driver's license requirement. Those who would trade freedom for safety (to paraphrase) deserver neither.

Declan McCullagh also has any obvious case of Bush Derangement Syndrome. He blames the president when this is truly a bipartisan law.
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No
by scdecade February 5, 2008 1:22 PM PST
I'm not really afraid of 'terrorism' as a tactic. That'd be like being afraid of being hit by lightening, which is silly. The US federal government's scare-mongering doesn't seem too terrifying. Am I afraid a terrorist is going to be able to commit some act of violence BECAUSE we didn't have a Real ID card? Hahaha -- yeah right! Get real, lmao. No, the Feds are only scary when they pass laws which deprive citizens of their natural rights. This is what has happened and it's a big shame too. We were given a free somewhat country and it's been allowed to be turned into a war business obedient meat grinder. Basically, I'm afraid of the new laws.
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A Sad day
by tim52 February 5, 2008 3:19 PM PST
They know us because we are not organized. They control us because we are dependent. They do this because we allow them.
Who among us will lead? Lead by example! Will it be a common man or woman? If our media controls our thoughts and the secret few control them, who will expose them? Look around you and ask who is on your team? Is your family? Are your friends? How big is your circle of influence? Make noise be heard!!!!
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NWO
by mythicalpoet February 5, 2008 4:13 PM PST
Bin Laden was an ex-CIA operative who was killed over five years ago as stated by Bhutto in a BBC interview.. Al-CIA-duh was created and funded by the the United States. The NWO globalists are in control of both sides of this war and will be until global government is obtained. The invasion of Mexico and the crash of the dollar will precipitate the North American Union and then all of the Unions across the world will merge. A global tyranny will be complete. This plan has been in action for over sixty years. There is nothing you can do about it. Do not accept the chip--the antichrist is coming soon and all Christians will be persecuted.
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North American Union & New World Order
by mythicalpoet February 5, 2008 4:16 PM PST
Al-CIA-duh was created and funded by the United States; do the research people. The NWO globalists are in control of both sides of this war and will be until global government is obtained. The invasion of Mexico and the crash of the dollar will precipitate the North American Union and then all of the Unions across the world will merge. A global tyranny will be complete. This plan has been in action for over sixty years. There is nothing you can do about it. Do not accept the chip--doing so condemns you according to the Bible. The Antichrist is coming soon and all Christians will be persecuted. Live for your soul, not for your life.
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Civil liberties should never be traded away.
by as901 February 6, 2008 5:27 AM PST
One of our nations founders said, "Anyone who would trade freedom for safety deserves neither freedom nor safety." The government is currently chipping away at the Bill of Rights. The Constitution is almost completely gone. If you believe in the American way of life, you must stand up against any further attempts at the destruction of the Bill of Rights. You must fight to reverse this very dangerous trend, If we trade our freedoms away, the terrorists have already won.
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