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March 23, 2005 4:22 PM PST

Developers grumble about Microsoft tools pricing

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Planned pricing changes to Microsoft's developer tools are ruffling feathers with some customers, who complain that the software giant will overcharge small companies and independent programmers.

Microsoft on Monday detailed the different editions of its Visual Studio 2005 development tool, which is set for release in the second half of the year. In tandem with the update, the company will revamp the subscriptions scheme to the Microsoft Developer Network, or MSDN, a service that gives developers regular product updates and support.

The changes were meant to simplify the choice among the different Visual Studio editions and give smaller businesses easier access to MSDN, according to Microsoft executives.

However, some developers who work at small consulting firms or independent software vendors said this week that new subscriptions are too costly, particularly when acquiring Visual Studio Team System.

Visual Studio Team System is Microsoft's first major foray into the market for application life cycle tools, suites of products for addressing different phases of the development process.

"I feel it is critical to the success of the Team Development platform that you provide a way for small independents like us to have access to the products at a proportionally smaller fee. The success of Microsoft developer tools has been built on the backs of independents like us that evangelize about their effectiveness in the large enterprises," said one Microsoft customer in an MSDN product feedback forum where customers are lobbying for a change to the licensing.

Visual Studio Team System will have three client editions aimed at different job functions--architect, developer and tester--as well as an optional server component for managing source code and collaborating with other programmers.

Microsoft intends to charge separately from the MSDN subscription for the Visual Studio Team System server, which will cost $2,799. For other Visual Studio products, the subscription includes the cost of the product.

In an interview, Prashant Sridharan, lead product manager in Microsoft's developer division, said Microsoft's lifecycle suite will be much cheaper than products from competitors such as IBM and Borland.

Responding to a blog posting complaining about the cost, Sridharan said the server component of Visual Studio Team System is primarily aimed at larger organizations.

"I get your point about the server, but in the end it's a product intended for medium-to-large teams," Sridharan said. "Microsoft has a right and responsibility to run a profitable business. I think we've done so without sacrificing our responsibility to our customers."

Meanwhile, another independent consultant, Jeff Putz, said the cheaper editions of Visual Studio 2005 lacked first-rate testing tools.

"I guess the reason I'm so annoyed is that I, like a huge percentage of developers out there, have to wear many hats," Putz said. "I have to shell out more than two grand for an MSDN subscription to get what I really need. I refuse to believe that my situation can't be duplicated among thousands of other developers."

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So what?
by March 23, 2005 5:38 PM PST
Microsoft wants to make a buck. Of course their
products are outrageously priced for what you
get... People will pay for it and they know it.

Microsoft's development tools are abyssmal, but
are the defacto standard for developing
Microsoft-targeted apps because they integrate
what little there is of documentation and
templates for the platform.

There are many superior products and
technologies, including cross-platform ones, that
are far cheaper and more stable and more mature.
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Nonsense
by Jeff Putz March 24, 2005 6:24 AM PST
You have no idea what you're talking about, and you obviously haven't used the forthcoming new versions either. VSTS blows away any offering from any other vendor. I'm the guy they quote in the article, I've been using the alphas and betas of these products for the last year, in part so I could write the book that was just released.
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So what?
by March 23, 2005 5:38 PM PST
Microsoft wants to make a buck. Of course their
products are outrageously priced for what you
get... People will pay for it and they know it.

Microsoft's development tools are abyssmal, but
are the defacto standard for developing
Microsoft-targeted apps because they integrate
what little there is of documentation and
templates for the platform.

There are many superior products and
technologies, including cross-platform ones, that
are far cheaper and more stable and more mature.
Reply to this comment
Nonsense
by Jeff Putz March 24, 2005 6:24 AM PST
You have no idea what you're talking about, and you obviously haven't used the forthcoming new versions either. VSTS blows away any offering from any other vendor. I'm the guy they quote in the article, I've been using the alphas and betas of these products for the last year, in part so I could write the book that was just released.
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I have said it before..
by Bill Dautrive March 23, 2005 8:49 PM PST
If you tie yourself tightly to MS, you deserve to get ripped off, and all the headaches. All these developers are complaining, but hopefully they will take their business elsewhere or at the very least, refuse to upgrade.

It is not like MS is the only game in town when it comes to writing windows apps.
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Heard it before, too.
by David Arbogast March 28, 2005 8:56 AM PST
Actually DM, the article clearly states that Microsoft's total solution will be cheaper than those offered by IBM or Borland. So, when it comes to getting "ripped off," obviously you will dislike the IBM and Borland solutions even more, eh? Are you against any software that has a price tag associated with it? Some people do not mind investing in the tools they use to develop and sell profitable products.
I have said it before..
by Bill Dautrive March 23, 2005 8:49 PM PST
If you tie yourself tightly to MS, you deserve to get ripped off, and all the headaches. All these developers are complaining, but hopefully they will take their business elsewhere or at the very least, refuse to upgrade.

It is not like MS is the only game in town when it comes to writing windows apps.
Reply to this comment
Heard it before, too.
by David Arbogast March 28, 2005 8:56 AM PST
Actually DM, the article clearly states that Microsoft's total solution will be cheaper than those offered by IBM or Borland. So, when it comes to getting "ripped off," obviously you will dislike the IBM and Borland solutions even more, eh? Are you against any software that has a price tag associated with it? Some people do not mind investing in the tools they use to develop and sell profitable products.
I save $7000 a year by going for Java and Linux
by johnzoet March 24, 2005 1:01 PM PST
About 7 years ago I paid $6,500 a year for MSDN
and an other $500 a year for Windows software.
For a small business owner in New Zealand this
was a lot of money.
I decided to move to Linux and Java and pay now
less than $100 per year on software.
As a bonus I can sell my products and services
now to anybody, regardless of platform.
Support is free of charge and problems are fixed
in days in stead of years.
All in all I could not feel happier with the
decision I made to swap to Java and Linux.
Reply to this comment
Zero-Cost World
by March 26, 2005 6:38 AM PST
Greetings.

Linux is free not only cheaper. The very worst of it is making people believe that is no longer necessary to pay for software. So one day your clients will tell you that if the operating system is for free and the applications as well, so why is it necessary to pay to you??? Isn't this world wonderful???

Just think about it.

I'm just getting used to not to pay for anything too.
I save $7000 a year by going for Java and Linux
by johnzoet March 24, 2005 1:01 PM PST
About 7 years ago I paid $6,500 a year for MSDN
and an other $500 a year for Windows software.
For a small business owner in New Zealand this
was a lot of money.
I decided to move to Linux and Java and pay now
less than $100 per year on software.
As a bonus I can sell my products and services
now to anybody, regardless of platform.
Support is free of charge and problems are fixed
in days in stead of years.
All in all I could not feel happier with the
decision I made to swap to Java and Linux.
Reply to this comment
Zero-Cost World
by March 26, 2005 6:38 AM PST
Greetings.

Linux is free not only cheaper. The very worst of it is making people believe that is no longer necessary to pay for software. So one day your clients will tell you that if the operating system is for free and the applications as well, so why is it necessary to pay to you??? Isn't this world wonderful???

Just think about it.

I'm just getting used to not to pay for anything too.
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