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The U.S. House of Representatives bill (PDF), which was introduced late Friday by top Democratic politicians, could give the movie and music industries a new revenue stream by pressuring schools into signing up for monthly subscription services such as Ruckus and Napster. Ruckus is advertising-supported, and Napster charges a monthly fee per student.
The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) applauded the proposal, which is embedded in a 747-page spending and financial aid bill. "We very much support the language in the bill, which requires universities to provide evidence that they have a plan for implementing a technology to address illegal file sharing," said Angela Martinez, a spokeswoman for the MPAA.
According to the bill, if universities did not agree to test "technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity," all of their students--even ones who don't own a computer--would lose federal financial aid.
The prospect of losing a combined total of nearly $100 billion a year in federal financial aid, coupled with the possibility of overzealous copyright-bots limiting the sharing of legitimate content, has alarmed university officials.
"Such an extraordinarily inappropriate and punitive outcome would result in all students on that campus losing their federal financial aid--including Pell grants and student loans that are essential to their ability to attend college, advance their education, and acquire the skills necessary to compete in the 21st-century economy," a letter from university officials to Congress written on Wednesday said. "Lower-income students, those most in need of federal financial aid, would be harmed most under the entertainment industry's proposal."
The letter was signed by the chancellor of the University of Maryland system, the president of Stanford University, the general counsel of Yale University, and the president of Penn State.
They stress that the "higher education community recognizes the seriousness of the problem of illegal peer-to-peer file sharing and has long been committed to working with the entertainment industry to find a workable solution to the problem." In addition, the letter says that colleges and universities are responsible for "only a small fraction of illegal file sharing."
The MPAA says the university presidents are overreacting. An MPAA representative sent CNET News.com a list of campuses that have begun filtering files transferred on their networks, including the University of Florida (Red Lambda technology); the University of Utah (network monitoring and Audible Magic); and Ohio's Wittenberg University (Audible Magic).
For each school taking such steps, the MPAA says, copyright complaints dramatically decreased, in some cases going from 50 a month to none.
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>proposal, which is embedded in a 747-page spending and
>financial aid bill
Why the hell is slipping in a completely unrelated set of proposals
into a 700 page document legal? And why should taxpayers have to
pay for the policing of a private company's desires?
Only the President would be in a position to do something about this sort of thing, if he had a line item veto.
Higher Education is *not* the biggest problem the MPAA and the RIAA have. Most illegal file sharing is travelling over consumer broadband networks.
Higher Ed. is just low hanging fruit.
Threatening to take away financial aid for entire institutions if they don't jump through the Media Mafia's hoops?!
WHAT THE F$#@ is our corrupt government doing?!
This proposed law is *not* in the American public's best interest!
Contact information for your representatives can be found on this site:
w w w . h o u s e . g o v
Give them HELL.
Are you nuts!! Pulling Federal Financial Aid, would cause universities to lose attendance, and that loss would filter down to the towns and city's that host them to lose money from students and parents. This would also filter to smaller colleges and Technical schools, which would give Fast-food a boost in employment.
But hey, lets look on the bright side, their would be 75% boost in CDL Licensees, cause the Fed Aid package probably wouldn't affect them.
Democrats? Where do you think your Interns get money from for their education... Favors?
interests that the average person has no chance. Until we
establish and support an independent party that has the
interests of the citizen at heart nothing will change. I wish we
students would seriously consider issues and ideas that were
good for the country rather than what too many faculty feed us
and lead us into believing. Sometimes I have to believe they
get together and laugh at how easy it is to make us look like
sheep.
Where is Congress threatening the Verizon's, AT&T, and
Comcasts of the world? They won't because of the
contributions! Perhaps as students we should refuse to work in
campaigns going door to door in winter, the heat, rain and
wind for people who will only stab us in the back.
They need to tell the RIAA and MPAA to develop reasonable
models for the digital world.
university music decisions among the enumerated rights in the
constitution. The government is now a fearsome master and must
be brought to heel.
First came the Oklahoma City bombing after the federal government's disgusting response to Waco. Next may come something similar to a building operated by our friends in the RIAA. Of course, the Feds will then clamp down even harder on our civil and privacy rights, which will bring another escalation, and so on. God help us all.
It is also total nonsense to call this "stealing", as Thomas Jefferson said many years ago.
http://www.digital-copyright.ca/Jefferson_Debate
I wish current politicians were as modern in their thinking about intangible exclusive rights like copyright and patents as Thomas Jefferson was in 1813.
This issue has nothing to do with left-vs-right, but right-vs-wrong, and those who support this or related bills are simply wrong.
Then again, as a Canadian I should be supporting ways in which the US government wants to put US students at a competitive disadvantage to Canadians in the new economy ;-)
held responsible and neither should those students who aren't
doing anything besides attending the same school as others who
are conducting illegal activity. And what is it with this "leftist
professor" crap? Get your head out of your ass and do some real
research, maybe actually attend a class or two.
colleges to provide alternate sources of music, like this bill would
do, is really, really bad.
haven't "they" not stopped it "themselves"?
I think "they" should provide the numbers "they" retrieve
DIRECTLY to the "artists" -- then "we" can all see what the real
problem is.
"My" tax dollars should not be wasted on this foolish exercise.
You want people to consider the ALLEGED HARM THEN LET THE
SUN DISINFECT YOUR AGENDA!!!
Usually the first education that students get about copyright infringement occurs when they get to college. Because colleges have organized materials and programs to educate students about copyright. They don't condone copyright infringement any more than YOU do.
As I said in a previous comment, MOST illegal file sharing travels over commercial broadband networks, not College networks.
If the Entertainment Mafia want to actually cut down on copyright infringement, then they should go to Comcast and TimeWarner and try to force them to educate their users. Comcast and Timewarner are too powerful, and would slap them silly. So they try to go after Higher Ed.
They're trying to do this to supplement their failing business models by forcing their lame services to be purchased by institutions who don't want them.
This bill, if it becomes law, will have a hugely detrimental effect on higher education in the United States.
If you want to fight these copyright fascists, vote Republican in 2008, because the Democrats are fascists when it comes to copyright. Republicans don't care about file sharing networks and don't actively seek to shut them down or sue people for using them like the Democrats are doing.
checked the Republicans were just as much in the pocket of the
corporations if not more so than the so called Democrats. the
Democrats may have given the RIAA "fascistic" powers but the
Republicans gave the president "fascistic" powers. Which do you
think is a bigger concern? Oh wait...that's right you already
answered that, your music listening rights.
decided under Reagan and the Sony Bono Act was passed by a
Republican Congress and the Eldred decision decided by a
COnservative Sup Ct.
Get your facts straight --
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2003/06/59305
I'm sure most kids in college think they're going to change the
world for the better, and do all these great right things, in
contrast to their parents and grandparents, who certainly
seemed to have screwed up in every imaginable way.
But, the students are delusional if they think they can make a
positive difference; their gluttony seems to even surpass their
parents and grandparents. And from the perspective of being of
the baby-boomer generation, gluttony is the root cause of the
problems we face, and that the student generation is going to
need to solve.
The RIAA has all the power because the students are gluttonous,
-- students have no control OVER THEMSELVES. Okay, music
pleasant and all, but really, the uncontrollable need to download
legally or illegally or purchase the CDs is quite pathetic. It
certainly leaves RIAA with all the cards. And frankly, music is
just not important! If music is important, make the music
yourself, and listen and support your local musicians and artists.
On the economic side, the issues are simply a matter of supply
and demand. The demand is obscene, and therefore the RIAA
can dictate the terms at every level: government, universities,
etc. Students need to learn to say NO.
Learn to say NO to gluttony, and the RIAA problems simply
disappear, the cost to universities disappears, financial aid
issues disappear, litigation costs disappear, copyright issues
disappear. Money, time and resources can then be spent on
things that are important.
Anyway their you are at college.
you access a low watt CPU drive thats active inside the college super computer to do some work on.
It loads onto its flash drive the work your continuing with.
Anyway your designing this new age packman game that uses simulations of viruses to make up the sprites.
In order to do this your workload morphs onto two diffrent OS systems. One to run the workload demand script the other to do the high end calculations (your college has worked out it's more efficient to do it this way as the VMware handles the super computer operations better than the microsoft cloud OS system on its own would.
little does the admin group know but you've implanted a virus into the managment script and it's a piticularly nasty one.
it's like this see
because you'de have to wait 3 years to do 1/32 of the workload you really intend to make your game not to mention the added processing time needed to simulate that Amoeba for the end level you've made a virus that gets you enough Processing horse power by accessing loads of diffrent colleges total power all at once.
Unfortunitly you've overid a lot of the power conservation systems to achieve it and just spiked the already overloaded power grid and caused a major problem to the US power grid.
You see things could be worse than just a few students downloading poor choices in music.
Universities are here seen as beasts to be harnessed by the digital rights management industry to take digital rights ownership to a new level of reality and solidity (oh, and profitability, almost forgot that one . . .) Use federal tax (student loan) money to leverage profits to yet another industry . . .
Yet another reason to abolish these types of earmarks. Want your GOOD legislation passed? Well you have to accept my BS idea along with it!
I would love to know who these "Democrats" writing this swill are.
If these hackers decide to use all these servers to launch and attack, to all this parties including the senators involved in this bill, they will realize that p2p is monster too big, and the parties involved are way more intelligent than the creators of the bill.
The recording industry does not own the internet to restict and control. So far looks like the DOJ has treated this as bad static.
Anyway the Recording Industry has stollen millions from performers for many years, 20s,30s,40s names like Billie Holiday that still sell records did not get paid royalties.
And to be fair, then all distributions channels including UPS, USPS and every other delivery system should be regulated and policed the same way to please RIAA.
I understand the Senate wants to kiss the hands of the Master but in this case they have a lot at risk, even when the master owns tha media that creates public opinion.
Even if they filter p2p protocols it will only create a new better way to share files, torrents are used to share legal content. It sounds like RIAA is going to lose more money, and there is a question in my mind and if any one has and answer please let me know.
Do yo think after you stop a person from getting a song from PSP for free, that same person will go and buy a CD ?
- mac and linux users must not matter
- by bassprocm November 11, 2007 1:08 PM PST
- It makes me laugh when academic/political leaders offer great solutions to piracy
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- "LINUX, sounds rebellious... shut it down"
- by Ryan83189 November 11, 2007 6:17 PM PST
- Ruckus for mac/linux.
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Showing 1 of 2 pages (62 Comments)through programs like Napster and Ruckus (my college has tried both). One problem:
These programs aren't compatible with OS X or Linux!
If the government is going to ride the line of taking away our fourth amendment
rights by requiring colleges to monitor their Internet traffic and then substantiate
such an action through the utilization of Ruckus or Napster, then at least come to the
realization that not everyone runs a Windows platform computer and that therein this
really isn't an effective solution across the board (as of yet).