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July 15, 2005 4:00 AM PDT

Perspective: Dell falls off the Cluetrain

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Dell falls off the Cluetrain
I first met Michael Dell in 1989 and, like most reporters, walked away from the encounter enormously impressed. Here was a tech exec who actually cared about the customer experience.

That normally wouldn't rate as revelation, but keep in mind the PC landscape looked very different back then. Before Dell made his mark, the mail-order computer business was populated by all sorts of scalawags. All you needed was a splashy magazine advertisement with a 1-800 phone number, and you were off to the races.

Unfortunately, truth in advertising was a custom more honored in the breach than in the observance. As mail-order purchasing caught on with more people, the buying public discovered an unpleasant truth: Customer service was a veritable crapshoot. While geeks could fend for themselves if their systems wigged out, laymen were often out of luck.

Isn't the very purpose of a message board supposed to be the free exchange of information?

By the early 1990s, the fly-by-night operators had been crushed in an inevitable shakeout that saw Dell vault to the top of the mail-order PC business. Other companies had lower prices, but Dell was simply more dependable. People learned to trust the brand, and that paid off in the coin of customer loyalty. Dell successfully parlayed that "put the customer first" strategy over the course of the next decade and ultimately become the world's No. 1 PC maker.

Considering its customer-friendly track record, Dell's recent decision to shut down its Customer Care message boards is getting pilloried as an act of monumental stupidity, if not monumental arrogance. The company says the closure is necessary because authorized Dell representatives--and not customers--need to handle the oh-so-complicated issues that were being handled on the message board.

Am I missing something here?

First, that cock-and-bull explanation is something I'd expect to hear out of the mouth of White House spokesman Scott McClellan. The folks at Dell are too smart to believe that sort of pabulum.

Isn't the very purpose of a message board supposed to be the free exchange of information? Technical boards are a great place to get fast answers--especially when a company staffer's not immediately available. Dell chose to shut down the forum rather than engage with its customers. I suppose you can shrug it off as an isolated example of bad judgment.

Sometimes, companies get a clue, and sometimes, they remain clueless.

The closure got extra attention because it occurred around the same time that Jeff Jarvis published his much-cited Dell Hell commentary about Dell's lousy tech support. The fact that it was Jarvis, a high-profile journalist-turned-blogger, doing the kvetching doubtlessly drew more attention to the issue than if it had been Joe Schmo.

Viewed against the backdrop of intermittent complaints about Dell service, the decision sends the wrong signal.

Talking about how the Internet is altering the relationship between companies and their customers, Jarvis and others have correctly seized upon the idea of the ongoing conversation that should be taking place. (The best reference point is the Cluetrain Manifesto).

Sometimes, companies get a clue, and sometimes, they remain clueless. We're still quite early into this Internet/blog revolution, and it's not yet clear how it will all end up. Still, it's safe to predict that any institution (including a news organization) that ignores the conversation does so at its own peril.

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Charles Cooper is CNET News.com's executive editor of commentary.

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Knock off the annoying politics
by jeffburton July 15, 2005 4:42 AM PDT
I see two irrelevant and ignorant political comments on news.com two days in a row. What do they have in common? Charles Cooper. Why don't you vent your political frustrations here: http://www.dailykos.com/
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Drop it
by July 15, 2005 10:08 AM PDT
I didn't find anything wrong with Coops analogy, and I am a registered Republican. The fact is that Scottie may be covering for a traitor, and while I may be a Republican, I am an American first, and I don't tolerate traitors. I see Coop's comments in that light.

So are you willing to defend the traitor?
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Keep in mind...
by Christopher Hall July 15, 2005 11:06 AM PDT
Please keep in mind that this is a blog entry. He's fully entitled to voice any political opinions he may have, whether you agree with him or not.
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Agree...leave the politics to the political pundits.
by July 15, 2005 5:04 AM PDT
I come to CNET for Tech News, please check your liberal diatribes at the door. Thanks.
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Oh please.
by July 15, 2005 6:59 AM PDT
The only reason any of you are complaining is so you can spin it as
a "liberal" bit of politicking. If he'd made an offhand reference to
(former Clinton press secretary) Mike McCurry, I doubt you'd be
complaining about C|net's supposed conservative bias.

Calling an offhand joke "liberal" is no less political. You're
editorializing in your complaint.
Apparently, you complainers don't know...
by JLBer July 15, 2005 5:17 AM PDT
Charles Cooper is also the assistant editor at MoveOn.org and MichaelMoore.com where he writes about tech stuff that no one wants to read because they're not tech sites.

Yes, that's sarcasm, but it gets the point across.

Indeed, check your politics at the door, Cooper.
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It gets the point across...
by July 15, 2005 7:03 AM PDT
...that the conservative spin machine is in full effect.
The usual non-story
by cturkin July 15, 2005 6:15 AM PDT
The usual one sided non-story from Cooper. There are so many angles that have been completely ignored (as usual) that the journalistic quality of this story is zero (as usual).

Perhaps the first step to improving customer service is to profesionalise it - move from the message board to a proper tech. support service. There are plenty of other boards out there.

This could be completely wrong of course, but it serves as an example of the many angles not considered.
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Op-Ed
by July 15, 2005 6:56 AM PDT
You've missed the purpose of the op-ed piece.
It's not intended to be some sort of
journalistic survey of an issue -- it's intended
to convey and (presumably) support a singular
point of view. Cooper typically writes op-ed
pieces, he's not big into journalism.

That said, journalists very frequently juxtapose
fringe stances on issues with accepted stances
in a fashion that conveys an artificial equality
in their validity. Global warming pieces are a
good example. Some 250 peer-reviewed articles
cover the topic, all of them concluding it
exists, is measurable, and is having a tangible
and observable impact even today. Yet popular
press articles, until recently, have presented
two conflicting points of view: there is global
warming and there isn't. Making it appear to the
casual observer as if there's no conclusive
evidence and thus doubt or confusion as to
whether it exists or if it's a problem.

It happens with all sorts of journalistic
coverage of topics: science, bioethics, software
development, etc.

Cooper might be evangelizing, and he might be
wrong, but at least he's being true to the
format and taking a singular point-of-view and
running with it.
Political Shots are Par for the Course on CNET...
by bmccaulley July 15, 2005 6:16 AM PDT
You should have seen the "news articles" the day after the 2004
Election.

Cooper's just speaking to his perceived audience of snobby
"enlightened" intellectuals (who OF COURSE must be democrats.

Talk about arrogance and stupidity. Pot. Kettle. Black.
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Cooper must not a DELL
by googlefan33 July 15, 2005 6:24 AM PDT
I think cooper wishing he had a dell and is stuck with and First Generation iMac at his work. He sure does have strange bed fellows .. like Micheal Moore and MoveOn.org ...News.com is getting to Political moving onto Digg ..cough cough the Attack of the Show Apperance by CNET Staff member was the worst crap i have ever seen on TV.. Good luck with the Sale of CNET Networks see ya ..munch munch by Yahoo!
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I think Charles Cooper is much smarter than that!
by JuggerNaut July 15, 2005 6:37 AM PDT
Charles Cooper is more computer savvy than the average joe (or he
wouldn't be working for C|Net) and I can imagine the last thing he'd
have sitting on his desk would be a Dell. Not everyone is sold on
the "Dude, you're getting a Dell" nonsense!
What's wrong with politics?
by July 15, 2005 6:29 AM PDT
It's kinda weird looking at some of the comments to this. Why shouldn't this reporter mention the administration and reference its many glaring examples of corruption? It certainly is true, so I see no problem with it.
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I Agree
by July 15, 2005 10:11 AM PDT
See my earlier comments. It would seem that some Americans are more devoted to a person than to the rule of law. It is becoming more and more clear that someone in the Bush Admin committed treason, but the Bush apologists don't care about that. Anyone defending treason is truly un-American.
Exactly
by Christopher Hall July 15, 2005 11:09 AM PDT
And it is his blog entry, it's not intended to be published in the International Herald Tribune.

I think the majority of people who are complaining forget that the article they just read is simply a voicing of his opinion; a casual conversation with the reader.
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This is tech, no politics and.... plagiarist !!!
by July 15, 2005 5:59 PM PDT
There is no need for politics, if I want to read a sarcastic, out of place comment, I read something else, not cnet.com

Good for Cooper to be a liberal, good he writes for some other websites, just leave the political ranting for those websites, please.

BTW. Thanks to Hieronymous Bosch for the plagiarism report.
http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2005/07/cluetrain_dont_.html

Cooper, the next time either,
a) At least change the headline
b) Give some credit to the blogger you took the idea from
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How about full disclosure?
by July 16, 2005 2:02 PM PDT
Well, I guess the good news is that we found that the author of
the story belongs to a pack of pathalogical liars who are part of
MoveOn and Michael Moore's crowd. Bad news is that Cnet gives
a voice to anyone from the fringe. People have the right to their
own opinions, not their own facts.
Dell falls off the Cluetrain or Handling support Appropriately
by Mollyfud July 15, 2005 6:44 AM PDT
http://mollyzine-podcasting.blogspot.com/2005/07/dell-tells-bloggers-to-go-away-good-on.html
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cnet writers promoting a political viewpoint
by williamQ July 15, 2005 7:10 AM PDT
It's not just Cooper - check out Jennifer Guevin's article about
the We'reNotAfraid.com website that protests the London
bombings.

http://news.com.com/2061-10786_3-5785426.html?tag=tb

The problem Guevin sees is that the user-contributed photos
are too materialistic. Unbelievable. cnet seems to be
encouraging irrelevant, liberal posturing. If, as another poster
suggested, Cooper has positions at MoveOn.org or
MichaelMoore.com, then that pretty much explains everything.

cnet readers may themselves want to "move on" to a different
tech news source.
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Yes please do.
by Mystigo July 15, 2005 8:19 AM PDT
Are you and the heritage foundation boys going to move on?
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Good Riddance to you
by July 15, 2005 10:15 AM PDT
> cnet readers may themselves want to "move on" to a different
> tech news source.

You're free to leave. Go get your "news" over at Fox.

BTW, in case you haven't noticed, someone in the Bush Admin is a traitor. Doesn't that bother you?
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Partisan politics in a tech article?
by usphotoguru July 15, 2005 7:38 AM PDT
Why the blatant partisan politics in a tech article? The headline caught my eye and interest but then a liberal opinion disguised as fact turned me off and I stopped reading.
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Because it's not a tech "article"
by July 15, 2005 7:44 AM PDT
...it's an opinion column. Cooper is offering his opinion of Dell's
actions (comparing them unfavorably to McClellan's behavior).
Opinion is the coin of the realm in an op-ed. You can moan about
liberal bias all you like, but it changes nothing. Cooper is writing
his opinion, not covering a story as a journalist.
Reading GMSV again, I see.
by July 15, 2005 9:41 AM PDT
jeez.

http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2005/07/cluetrain_dont_.html
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typical conservative short-sightedness
by July 15, 2005 10:10 AM PDT
You must be kidding. A McClellan-has-no-comment-joke is
"talking about your political vews?" I've yet to meet a conservative
with any real sense of global vision, but you have to be this short-
sighted? Fox News, your home away from home, lead their news
updates yesterday with stories about McClellan's not being able to
comment. It's a fact. He couldn't comment. It's not an
interpretation or a Vote For Clinton sign. It's a joke. Get it? Using
timely events we are all familiar with to communicate with each
other on-line? Creating community...?
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Perspective from the PC industry
by calbear--2008 July 15, 2005 11:53 AM PDT
I used to manage the marketing program at a mid-sized PC manufacturer which survived the late 90s when most white box builders went out of business.

The issue with a technical support message board hosted on Dell I think is with liability. If someone get's bad advice, like (remove the memory dimm while the computer is on) from a user on the Dell message board, and fries their computer, who's responsible? Is it covered under warranty? Why isn't Dell monitoring the board (Is that even possible given the nature of a public forum with customer base as large as Dells)?

I agree with Chris that yes, customers should be able to help on another, but I'm sure this decision has stemmed from legal concerns as well as the fact that most message boards are not part of the normal operational workflow. They are not able to track response times (I think) and figure out customer satisfaction. Not to mention that they will most likely not be able to enter in TS information into their database for future support queries.

These need to be taken into consideration. Hope that provides some insight into issues I have had to deal with as well working for a PC business.
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Enough of the complaining, I'll take your business
by bradyme July 15, 2005 1:11 PM PDT
Ok, enough wining, just goto my website or give me a call and m and my system builder will build you one. :)
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Cooper is a Great American Hero
by July 15, 2005 1:35 PM PDT
Yes, it is true.
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Republicans can use computers?
by July 15, 2005 2:23 PM PDT
Has a new tech reference been added to recent editions of the King James Bible? ("Thou shalt not overflow thy buffer, so sayeth the Lord.")

Wow, look everyone, an opinion. Careful now, they sense fear and will begin to offend you if you don't understand them.
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Scott McClellan
by lsander153 July 15, 2005 2:40 PM PDT
Your snotty remark is extremely offensive to me.
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Coop responds
by charlie cooper July 15, 2005 3:10 PM PDT
Well, at the end of a long day I've finally had an opportunity to read through the list of messages here as well as the dozens of private e-mails sent to my cnet address.

Folks, I think we need to sit down, have a Coke and catch a breath. As I responded to one e-mail today, I've been fond of political humor ever since I came of age in the Johnson Administration. If you never saw Lenny Bruce or Mort Sahl do their shtick, you really missed something. Every administration since -- all the way down to Bush the Second -- has at one time or another been deserving of a little ribbing. If we can't laugh at ourselves, then maybe this country is really as screwed up as its critics think. I don't agree but that's beside the point. Fact is, my column -- and yes, it's a COLUMN -- concentrated on Dell and how it responds to customers in the age of the Internet. Folks who are obsessing about one line out of a 650 word essay are really missing the point.
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wrong choice of words
by ChazzMatt July 15, 2005 3:43 PM PDT
by specifically naming a representative of the President and comparing him to clueless Dell (whose adware I rip out of every computer with their namebrand that I configure) you were denigrating the President of the United States. The only worst thing you could have done was compare the President to Microsoft or Claria.

Why not not say "typical politician spokesperson"? that would cover NY Senators Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton -- both of whom are demagogues beyond belief.
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Coop falls off the funny train
by usphotoguru July 15, 2005 7:53 PM PDT
If Lenny Bruce and Mort Sahl were as funny as Coop no one missed a thing. The problem is Coop your comment wasn't funny. This does not have anything to do whether you agree with the President or not, your comment just wasn't funny. Now, I know you will reply "You are just a conservative who doesn't get it and can't laugh at the president". Well, us conservatives laugh all the time at Letterman and Leno President jokes because they are funny. Your comment was not funny, just another worn out liberal attack that is so frequent from you liberal journalists. We can't even get away from these obsessive liberal attacks in a tech opinion column. Now I am not saying you can't put these opinions in a tech column. It is your column you can do what you want but Cnet has given us the opportunity to respond and our response is keep your liberal attacks out of tech columns.
No, Chuck, it's YOU who is missing the point....
by Paul Jakubowski July 16, 2005 6:49 AM PDT
It's hard to believe that you can actually stand by your ridiculous, out of context, gratuitous swipe at Scott McClellan. You say in your reply that the column was all about Dell, and we (by implication, clueless) folks who are "obsessing about one line out of a 650 word essay are really missing the point." NO!!!

It's YOU who are now "off the clue train." There was no 'political humor' in your slap to the face; no "ribbing;" no context at all. Just a tongue in cheek, holier-than-thou assumption that YOUR political assessment of the Bush administration (and by implication, Dell) is infallible.

It's YOU who just "doesn't get it." When calling someone else clueless, it's usually wise to ensure that you don't inadvertently let your inherent prejudices allow you to come off as even MORE clueless than your target - it impinges your credibility with the very audience you seek to inform and/or persuade.
Former Dell tech support...
by petekarn July 15, 2005 3:20 PM PDT
I was not aware of the discontinuation of Dell's web forums. That is a real shame. I was a tech support specialist for two years at Dell in the late '90's and was considered very knowledgable and efficient. I spent many a weekend logging onto the customer forums learning about customers' problems, acquiring a great number of tips that I could later apply on the phones with appreciative customers. For shame, Michael.
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Dell Tech Support
by shanedr-1964330144520240703050 July 15, 2005 3:24 PM PDT
If ending the message boards means Dell is finally going back to superb tech support would be most welcome. Unfortunately I can't see how ending the message boards are going to improve tech support. This computer isn't a Dell, while my first two were. It was lousy tech support that sent me elsewhere. Ending message boards will not hide the fact that Dell tech support is just about useless. Makes me wonder if Dell intends to reduce their warranties and tech support to 90 days because they figure that their customers can run down to the local computer store for paid support. If so they won't like what happens to their sales; I for one will stop sending even computer newby's to Dell for their first computer.
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Dell has lost its way
by irdac July 16, 2005 1:20 AM PDT
In the 1990s, before I retired, I was buying numerous PCs and they were all Dells. The PCs and support were superb. Having since had a number of friends buy individual PCs from Dell and spent ages trying to get their problems sorted out I now recommend that Dells should not be considered. In one case the PC was returned as not being of merchantable quality and in others it was external expertise not Dell which solved the problems.
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