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March 30, 2006 4:04 AM PST

Comcast, Time Warner back Cablevision DVR plan

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Proposed service will let cable TV subscribers record programs on network servers, doing away with DVR boxes like TiVo's.

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NetworkPVR
by kgofsb March 31, 2006 1:14 AM PST
So what exactly would be the TV networks objection to cable companies offering network PVR? Is it they don't want viewers to have the flexibility to watch their shows when they want to? The net result of such a service would be more people watching shows. Since the shows are already paid for, what do the networks care when people watch their shows?

So what group of executives are the stupidest:

a) Movie studios, for resisting digital media, and insisting on encouraging the use of easily pirated DVDs?

b) TV networks, who are unable to grasp the concept of most new technology (e.g., NBC, in response to Apple selling ABC TV shows on itunes, offers to sell their shows on-line to subscribers who own PVRs)

c) cable companies, who refuse to deliver video over IP, which would enable everything on demand;

d) U.S. telephone companies, who had to be forced into offering broadband service by the CLECs, whom they subsequently killed off, and are patheticly inferior to most foreign telcos that offer much faster broadband speeds.

Answer: it's a tie, in a race to the bottom.
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Agree, basically they're all a bunch of dolts
by bobby_brady March 31, 2006 7:48 AM PST
It's almost fun to watch the video industry self destruct, like the music industry is.
NetworkPVR
by kgofsb March 31, 2006 1:14 AM PST
So what exactly would be the TV networks objection to cable companies offering network PVR? Is it they don't want viewers to have the flexibility to watch their shows when they want to? The net result of such a service would be more people watching shows. Since the shows are already paid for, what do the networks care when people watch their shows?

So what group of executives are the stupidest:

a) Movie studios, for resisting digital media, and insisting on encouraging the use of easily pirated DVDs?

b) TV networks, who are unable to grasp the concept of most new technology (e.g., NBC, in response to Apple selling ABC TV shows on itunes, offers to sell their shows on-line to subscribers who own PVRs)

c) cable companies, who refuse to deliver video over IP, which would enable everything on demand;

d) U.S. telephone companies, who had to be forced into offering broadband service by the CLECs, whom they subsequently killed off, and are patheticly inferior to most foreign telcos that offer much faster broadband speeds.

Answer: it's a tie, in a race to the bottom.
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Agree, basically they're all a bunch of dolts
by bobby_brady March 31, 2006 7:48 AM PST
It's almost fun to watch the video industry self destruct, like the music industry is.
Yet Another Waste of Network-bandwidth (Y.A.W.N.) ...
by Joe Blow March 31, 2006 4:33 AM PST
following on the heels of the failure of Video On Demand. Most cable companies have maxed out at about seven percent of subscribers in peak VOD capacity, with much less than that in average usage. Where is the RS-DVR storage and processing capacity going to magically come from - converted VOD capacity, or yet-another wasteland of hardware that will siphon off revenue? The articles on this suggest the latter, as they seem to be leased server farms - perhaps reflecting the also-failed WWW server farms built during the Internet bubble).

The cable industry keeps crowing about how this kind of stuff is going to kill off the satellite TV industry, but the fact of the matter is that fully half of the U.S. population will never be served by cable due to last-mile (more like last 100 mile, in many cases) infrastructure costs. However, a large fraction of satellite subscribers are in the largest urban areas, where infrastructure costs for cable are the absolute lowest. The reason for this is that cable companies' customer service model continues to be rated right down there with used car salesmen, Mafia lawyers, and other bottom-feeders, and it will only get worse over time as the last-mile infrastructure built over the last few decades continues to rot (it's all copper, and replacing that with fiber, including very expensive optical interconnect at the set-top boxes, is out of the ballpark for cable operating costs). Cable revenue is going to eventually level off and decline, and top-tier services like RS-DVR will take the first hit as the Baby Boomers' budgets continue to become squeezed by job outsourcing, retirement, soaring energy and medical costs, and deaths of primary-income family members (men die an average six years before women in the demographic groups where cable prevails).

Then, there's the issue of content-producer control over the ability of subscribers to record, playback, and keep around recordings that services like RS-DVR will certainly contain. This shoe has yet to drop, mostly because of arguments over the broadcast flag, but sooner or later, it's going to happen (I'll leave it up to your imagination when it's more likely). The minute the content producers start restricting subscribers' abilities to manage their recordings, the subscribers are going to run, not walk, to get DVRs like TiVos, ReplayTVs, and even Home Theater PCs, so that they can do whatever they want, whenever they want, with that for which they've already paid to receive.

Meanwhile, the cable companies are going to continue to unwittingly aid and abet the cannibalization of their video business by Internet Protocol based content (e.g., IPTV), especially as subscribers become better educated about it. Continued pricing pressure due to competition from DSL, satellite, and especially terrestrial wireless technologies is going to maintain the race to the bottom for profits, precisely because broadband is a commodity, and people will quickly figure out how to get what they want via IP-based technologies without the intervention of the cable companies' content-delivery gatekeepers (witness the growing popularity of the Slingbox, which allows you to pull any video across broadband connections, and the direct delivery of content via iTunes, Google Video, whatever Yahoo is doing, etc.).

The continued quarter-to-quarter focus of media delivery corporations on their numbers is going to be their downfall if they keep tossing things like RS-DVR up on the wall to see if they will stick, because it doesn't look like there's any long-term strategy in anything they're doing. It's just more of the "keep doing what made us money in the past" mentality.

All the Best,
Joe Blow
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Great Work Here
by Scottsteff March 31, 2006 12:39 PM PST
I just wonder who you work for? <--Sarcasm!!
Yet Another Waste of Network-bandwidth (Y.A.W.N.) ...
by Joe Blow March 31, 2006 4:33 AM PST
following on the heels of the failure of Video On Demand. Most cable companies have maxed out at about seven percent of subscribers in peak VOD capacity, with much less than that in average usage. Where is the RS-DVR storage and processing capacity going to magically come from - converted VOD capacity, or yet-another wasteland of hardware that will siphon off revenue? The articles on this suggest the latter, as they seem to be leased server farms - perhaps reflecting the also-failed WWW server farms built during the Internet bubble).

The cable industry keeps crowing about how this kind of stuff is going to kill off the satellite TV industry, but the fact of the matter is that fully half of the U.S. population will never be served by cable due to last-mile (more like last 100 mile, in many cases) infrastructure costs. However, a large fraction of satellite subscribers are in the largest urban areas, where infrastructure costs for cable are the absolute lowest. The reason for this is that cable companies' customer service model continues to be rated right down there with used car salesmen, Mafia lawyers, and other bottom-feeders, and it will only get worse over time as the last-mile infrastructure built over the last few decades continues to rot (it's all copper, and replacing that with fiber, including very expensive optical interconnect at the set-top boxes, is out of the ballpark for cable operating costs). Cable revenue is going to eventually level off and decline, and top-tier services like RS-DVR will take the first hit as the Baby Boomers' budgets continue to become squeezed by job outsourcing, retirement, soaring energy and medical costs, and deaths of primary-income family members (men die an average six years before women in the demographic groups where cable prevails).

Then, there's the issue of content-producer control over the ability of subscribers to record, playback, and keep around recordings that services like RS-DVR will certainly contain. This shoe has yet to drop, mostly because of arguments over the broadcast flag, but sooner or later, it's going to happen (I'll leave it up to your imagination when it's more likely). The minute the content producers start restricting subscribers' abilities to manage their recordings, the subscribers are going to run, not walk, to get DVRs like TiVos, ReplayTVs, and even Home Theater PCs, so that they can do whatever they want, whenever they want, with that for which they've already paid to receive.

Meanwhile, the cable companies are going to continue to unwittingly aid and abet the cannibalization of their video business by Internet Protocol based content (e.g., IPTV), especially as subscribers become better educated about it. Continued pricing pressure due to competition from DSL, satellite, and especially terrestrial wireless technologies is going to maintain the race to the bottom for profits, precisely because broadband is a commodity, and people will quickly figure out how to get what they want via IP-based technologies without the intervention of the cable companies' content-delivery gatekeepers (witness the growing popularity of the Slingbox, which allows you to pull any video across broadband connections, and the direct delivery of content via iTunes, Google Video, whatever Yahoo is doing, etc.).

The continued quarter-to-quarter focus of media delivery corporations on their numbers is going to be their downfall if they keep tossing things like RS-DVR up on the wall to see if they will stick, because it doesn't look like there's any long-term strategy in anything they're doing. It's just more of the "keep doing what made us money in the past" mentality.

All the Best,
Joe Blow
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Great Work Here
by Scottsteff March 31, 2006 12:39 PM PST
I just wonder who you work for? <--Sarcasm!!
Another Revenue Model
by March 31, 2006 6:09 AM PST
Its only a great idea in the minds of the cable providers because it provides another revenue stream. Is it something the public is going to want?
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Another Revenue Model
by March 31, 2006 6:09 AM PST
Its only a great idea in the minds of the cable providers because it provides another revenue stream. Is it something the public is going to want?
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Will it remove the ads?
by baswwe March 31, 2006 6:48 AM PST
You'll still need a TV. This is retarded and for idiots.
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Will it remove the ads?
by baswwe March 31, 2006 6:48 AM PST
You'll still need a TV. This is retarded and for idiots.
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Mandatory DRM? Force consumers to watch commercials?
by bobby_brady March 31, 2006 7:45 AM PST
Is this similar to DVD's where they force you to watch certain previews and the FBI "warning" chapter? I have a feeling the reason behind moving the PVR to their side is for more control and DRM.
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Mandatory DRM? Force consumers to watch commercials?
by bobby_brady March 31, 2006 7:45 AM PST
Is this similar to DVD's where they force you to watch certain previews and the FBI "warning" chapter? I have a feeling the reason behind moving the PVR to their side is for more control and DRM.
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*I* would buy it
by chassoto--2008 March 31, 2006 8:12 AM PST
Why? Right now, my HD DVR has about 120GB. That's it. I can't
upgrade it, I can't buy more. With such a service, if I fill up my
120G, but can't bring myself to delete this season's Sopranos, then
I can order 20G more for some price. It gives me options.

I would gladly try out this service. My Time Warner HD DVR service
is wonderful. It's overpriced, but now that they fixed a signal
problem in my neighborhood, I'm quite happy with it.
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yawn cable
by paulsecic March 31, 2006 10:33 AM PST
Dishnetwork's AT 180 plan just cost $49 a month. You're being screwed.
*I* would buy it
by chassoto--2008 March 31, 2006 8:12 AM PST
Why? Right now, my HD DVR has about 120GB. That's it. I can't
upgrade it, I can't buy more. With such a service, if I fill up my
120G, but can't bring myself to delete this season's Sopranos, then
I can order 20G more for some price. It gives me options.

I would gladly try out this service. My Time Warner HD DVR service
is wonderful. It's overpriced, but now that they fixed a signal
problem in my neighborhood, I'm quite happy with it.
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yawn cable
by paulsecic March 31, 2006 10:33 AM PST
Dishnetwork's AT 180 plan just cost $49 a month. You're being screwed.
AT&T
by paulsecic March 31, 2006 10:48 AM PST
is planning to pipe channels over their lines in their regions soon. This will be interesting.
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AT&T
by paulsecic March 31, 2006 10:48 AM PST
is planning to pipe channels over their lines in their regions soon. This will be interesting.
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Good idea
by akhaja March 31, 2006 2:53 PM PST
I think its a great way of cutting costs as well as allowing for easy upgrading of the service (if i want more then 20GB of space).

What would also be cool, is if the cable companies allowed users to share there programs with others. For example if i record 24, and my buddy forgot to record it he can still watch 24 from his house if I allow access to my recording(s).
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Good idea
by akhaja March 31, 2006 2:53 PM PST
I think its a great way of cutting costs as well as allowing for easy upgrading of the service (if i want more then 20GB of space).

What would also be cool, is if the cable companies allowed users to share there programs with others. For example if i record 24, and my buddy forgot to record it he can still watch 24 from his house if I allow access to my recording(s).
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Bad Idea
by fosterjt2 April 3, 2006 11:54 AM PDT
My cable provider just rolled out their VoIP solution and ruined our neighborhood's broadband for a week. I already have issues with video on demand giving me error messages about not being able to contact the server when I use it. Now they are going to remotely record programs which I record in High Definition, requiring lots of storage space and will be bandwidth intensive. Anyone else see a problem with this idea??
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Bad Idea
by fosterjt2 April 3, 2006 11:54 AM PDT
My cable provider just rolled out their VoIP solution and ruined our neighborhood's broadband for a week. I already have issues with video on demand giving me error messages about not being able to contact the server when I use it. Now they are going to remotely record programs which I record in High Definition, requiring lots of storage space and will be bandwidth intensive. Anyone else see a problem with this idea??
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