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October 21, 2004 4:00 AM PDT

Car crazy: Microsoft in the driver's seat

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A little mood music for the ride
Another market that's viewed as ripe for computerization is in-car entertainment, which is still dominated by CD and, especially in larger SUVs and minivans, DVD players and video game players. That seems about to change, with billion-dollar electronics suppliers such as Thomson, Pioneer and Delphi saying this week that they'd like to find ways to let drivers take the equivalent of their home entertainment systems on the road.

Microsoft's answer is simple: because there's already a Windows box with speakers in the vehicle, just provide a connection where drivers can plug in their USB device, Compact Flash card, or SD Media card with audio files on it. (The Hummer has a connection on the dashboard.)

"What happens when I want to bring digital music into the car? It's a little tough to stream that over cellular networks," Wengert says. "Our philosophy is to put your music on a storage device. That's going to be a lot cheaper. People don't want to have to buy an iPod to play their music."

Apple Computer's wildly popular iPod does offer a USB connection, but in an effort to curb piracy, hides the music files when it's connected to a PC. Wengert says whether it will work on a Windows Automotive system is a "question for Apple."

Wengert argues that Microsoft is a more attractive option than Linux or other free or open-source operating systems: "Car companies want their supplier to have skin in the game. Who would Ford go to for support and help if they adopted Linux?"

Rival suitors
Microsoft is hardly alone among traditional computer companies trying to convince auto makers to take their technology for a test drive.

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Spyware and hackers in the car!
by October 21, 2004 7:53 AM PDT
Just what we need!

Dealers would love it, just imagine the add ons they could sell
with a car now: Virus software, pop-up blockers, ...etc.
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Stupidity Bar Has Been Raised!
by Thomas, David October 21, 2004 8:34 AM PDT
The idea of software in vehicles is not a new, nor stupid idea.
The idea that it would be a Microsoft OS is the stupid idea. I
cannot get past, nor comprehend, the inexplicable logic that
could lead anyone to come to the conclusion to use software
from a company that has nothing but a long history of
instability.

Get off the crack pipe people.
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reality is somewhat different...
by David Arbogast October 21, 2004 8:45 AM PDT
The BMW 7 series seems to be doing very well...
And the Fiat Lancia Thesis seems promising...

So far, their implementation of Microsoft software don't reflect your opinion of "stupidest idea ever."
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I can see it now...
by October 21, 2004 11:38 AM PDT
Car: "Attention passengers. The Windows operating system of this car has crashed. You will follow shortly. Thank you for choosing Microsoft."

I don't think so. Besides crashes do we have to fear everyone we drive by with a notebook computer or PDA because the care has so many security holes we could be care jacked?

Do we really want to take our cars in every week or even once a month for patches to be installed?

I don't think so.

Robert
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Oh hell NO!! Not in my lifetime.
by Jonathan October 21, 2004 11:49 AM PDT
I'll get a car with MS inside the day I purchase a Hummer. Translation. Not in this lifetime fool.
Thank but I'll leave the monthly patches to my desktop. I want a proprietary close system for my car something that:
1. Won't have security that any 2 bit script kiddy or hacker might know about.
2. Isn't well documented on the net so some smuck can easily figure out how to hack my system. E.G. Hacking the BT stack so they can mess around with my car's settings.
3. Thanks but I'd rather not have to do soft rests for my car's computer system (even if it isn't tied to the cars critical computer systems.)

I can honestly say that having a Microsoft OS in a car would actually shy me away from purchasing a car from that manufacturer.
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If your car runs windoze ...
by October 21, 2004 12:28 PM PDT
1 For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.

2 Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.

3 Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.

4 Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.

5 Only one person at a time could use the car unless you bought "CarNT," but then you would have to buy more seats.

6 Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive- but would run on only five percent of the roads.

7 The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "General Protection Fault" warning light.

8 New seats would force everyone to have the same sized butt.

9 The airbag system would ask "are you sure" before deploying.

10 Occasionally for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.

11 GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand McNally road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither need nor want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the car's performance to diminish by 50% or more. Moreover, GM would become a target for investigation by the Justice Dept.

12 Every time GM introduced a new car, car buyers would have to learn to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.

13 You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.

Source: http://www.eccentrix.com/members/computeaser/
Blue Screen Of Auto-Death
by October 21, 2004 12:34 PM PDT
Windoze in your car?
Do we really need the blue screen of death while we are driving
our car?
An OS so stupid that you have to click START to turn OFF your
computer, but smart enough to be in your car?
Virus riddled software that may cripple your transportation...
Is Big Brother Bill keeping track of where we are driving to now
with GPS-MS-MAP Search?
Is there no place on God's Earth that Citizen Gates & his brown
booted Softies can shove their Longhorn up our collective black
holes?
Bill the Borg: Resistance is futile, you will be assimulated.
-Eyes wide open in Seattle-
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Automotive Linux
by October 21, 2004 12:40 PM PDT
Dashwerks, Inc. (http://www.dashwerks.com) specializes in Automotive Linux. One can't help but think that the open-source nature of Linux and it's rock solid stability are much better suited for Automobiles than Microsoft.
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oh please
by David Arbogast October 21, 2004 2:25 PM PDT
yeah right. "Rock solid stability" my eye. Sorry... I know everybody but me posting in this thread is a blind anti-Microsoft fanatic, but lets be realistic. Linux is NOT "Rock Solid."
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Only if you are stupid
by October 21, 2004 3:23 PM PDT
Anyone who uses a MS product in a mission critical enviroment is just asking to get burned.

Yes, Linux is far, far more stable then windows xp.
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You are so lost...
by David Arbogast October 25, 2004 11:26 AM PDT
1. There is no competing Linux-based product in this market. It's proported "superiority" is a complete non-issue.

2. Microsoft OS has never been put in charge of "critical" automobile functions. Again, you demonstrate a lack of understanding of the topic at hand.
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I will NEVER EVER buy a car with Windows software
by Kilohoku October 21, 2004 8:25 PM PDT
I would rather fling myself bodily over a cliff and take my
chances than ever even ENTER a car with Windows running in it
-- even for "entertainment" purposes!

This is absolutely the worst idea ever propagated.
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Hahaha! This is ludicrous!
by October 21, 2004 9:05 PM PDT
Microsoft should transform its company into a circus since
it seems that the best thing they can do is make ridiculous
decisions and make people laugh at them. Quickly,
someone pass the clown suits to the MS executives! Don't
they look just adorable? Haha!

If they can't get it right on a computer - after how many
years - would you trust this company to insert its
handicapped software on your vehicle? Hey, we are talking
about your safety and that of your loved ones! Yup, you can
replace a computer, but can you replace a life? I don't think
so!

If this occurs, the number one cause of death in the USA will
be Microsoft.

MS is like a virus...it attempts to spread itself everywhere
and destroys all things it touches.
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Java enabled cars
by October 22, 2004 2:52 AM PDT
There are allready cars that are Java enabled.

http://java.sun.com/features/2000/08/ford.html
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You can't blame them for not noticing.
by October 24, 2004 8:20 AM PDT
Nobody seems to notice technologies when they work well. They
only get your attention when they fail, and that doesn't happen
very often with embedded Java.
no, there are not.
by David Arbogast October 25, 2004 11:28 AM PDT
Those are prototypes, not in production. This may represent future competition for Microsoft's product, but for now, Java is a non-player in this market.
A new way to crash Windows!
by robbtuck October 22, 2004 9:59 AM PDT
It's no wonder they're not integrating it into the car's main electronics! :o)

Yeah, this is what we need - more distracted drivers playing with more gadgets in the car, tying up traffic with their inattentive driving and causing accidents. Every day I see people who can't even handle talking on a cell phone, keeping the speed limit (usually go too slow), and staying in their lane!
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Oh but it gets better
by Fray9 October 25, 2004 3:10 PM PDT
Microsoft has designed and is implementing a system to run the dashboard off of the windows based PC as well as the entertainment and communications systems.

Its an LCD screen that gives engine lights, odometer, tachometer, speedometer, etc instead of the traditional mechanical dials.

Yeah lets drive blind when the screen turns blue with a cryptic error message (Microsoft tech support: "Just pull over and reboot your car").

Lovely
Get The Facts Straight, please
by October 23, 2004 11:41 PM PDT
As someone who works in this industry (automotive) and in Telematics specifically..this story seems to be a disappointing ms-induced media-hype to promote their desire to enter into automotive. MS is indeed pushing hard to get into automotive, but their penetration has been very, very limited. Most of the things you mention in the story are/were demo projects that mean very little unless they go into production. There are many other players in this industry who have a stronghold and most automotive companies are not all that excited about MS in the vehicle. There are also alternative operating systems -- not only Linux, but there are a number of other RTOS selections that are more attractive than CE -- and have existed in the vehicles since Telematics began. Quite frankly, the claim from the MS guy that Ford will be lost w/o support if they chose Linux is simply FUD. If an automotive company chooses open source software like that, they do so through a company that takes the responsibility for the support of the product such as IBM or any one of the other numerous real-time linux vendors. The only real, significant entry MS has now into automotive is with Fiat -- which is an Italian car company with little volume -- and they are struggling significantly. Also one of the solutions MS put together for BMW required 3 CPUs ! Talk about cost -- anytime you can save a dollar on a vehicle that is a big deal -- and a 3 CPU solution is not only expensive, it is poor design. The comment on Java being dead is dead wrong, as well.
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Thank you
by Fray9 October 25, 2004 3:12 PM PDT
Finally someone who isnt on the MS payroll, knows whats going on and has some common sense.

Thank you for setting this matter straight.
Too Slow Joe Blow...?
by October 24, 2004 12:59 PM PDT
Fact is that Apple has been envolved for many years (ahead of
MS) in voice recognition software, OS control, so this is only NEW
to MSOS. Audio & DVD? Apple was once again WAY ahead of MS
in integration of CD-Roms & DVD+R integration & software. Plus
Apple has been involved in the nusic business for decades which
is why the Mac,iTunes+iPod is so successful in music & why MS
is scrambling to catch up.
Get the facts JOE before you start to BLOW.
-Eyes wide open in Seattle-
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All this blathering
by October 25, 2004 6:12 PM PDT
Running any Microsoft software on a large ferrous device with a propulsion system is not a wise idea. Take note, the United States Navy, our Navy had a ship that ran Windows ship wide controlling all of the systems on board. This ship was often towed in from the sea as a result of the system crashing, is this something we want to happen in the middle of rush hour in your metropolis. I'm not sure the parents of this country would feel entirely confident of an operating system with this reputation and reliability dealing with the safety and security of thier sons and daughters.
One needs to get thier act together before going on the road.
My old Ford is reliable enough without computers.
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microsoft supplying software for cars?
by maidensolo February 4, 2005 5:45 PM PST
When i told my son that microsoft wants to provide the car industry most of their software he said "the last thing I need is for my car to crash!
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Automotive Linux Reaches "Tipping Point"
by robcarroll October 23, 2006 10:36 AM PDT
http://blogs.windriver.com/bruggeman/2006/10/linux_and_autom.html

John Bruggeman talks about the "tipping" point happening now for Linux in the Automotive Industry. Check it out:

http://blogs.windriver.com/bruggeman/2006/10/linux_and_autom.html
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Automotive Linux Reaches
by robcarroll October 23, 2006 10:37 AM PDT
http://blogs.windriver.com/bruggeman/2006/10/linux_and_autom.html

John Bruggeman talks about the "tipping" point happening now for Linux in the Automotive Industry. Check it out:

http://blogs.windriver.com/bruggeman/2006/10/linux_and_autom.html
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