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As Microsoft's director of platform technology strategy, Bill Hilf spends half his time trying to figure out ways Windows can work better with Linux and the other half trying to outflank the open-source rival.

Of course, he doesn't describe it quite that starkly.

"My life is like a yin and a yang," he said in an interview at this week's LinuxWorld Conference and Expo in San Francisco. "There is just as much time thinking about the competitive...as there is about the cooperation/interoperability/opportunity. It's equal time."

Microsoft's Bill Hilf
Bill Hilf
Linux lab chief,
Microsoft

Microsoft's Linux and Open Source Software Lab serves as both a place to examine the threat posed to Microsoft products by open-source offerings and a venue for testing software from Microsoft and others that's designed to span that divide. The lab is home to hundreds of servers and desktops that run dozens of different types of Linux and Unix.

The lab's dual purpose reflects an evolution in Microsoft's mind-set when it comes to Linux and open-source software.

Linux is still seen as a competitor that needs to be addressed head-on. The company spends plenty of time and money on its anti-Linux "Get the Facts" campaign, for example.

At the same time, though, Microsoft seems to have accepted that Linux is not going away, and the company wants to make sure it's not turning off customers--or leaving dollars on the table--by ignoring its very real rival.

It's been almost two years since Hilf joined Microsoft after a career managing Linux and Unix for corporations, a tour of duty that included a stint at IBM and the building of a Linux-based data center for dot-com retailer eToys.

Hilf said his conversations with Microsoft developers have evolved since he first joined the company.

"Originally there was a lot of 'tell me how this works versus my thing,'" he recalled. Until Hilf arrived and set up shop, Microsoft relied mainly on outside consultants to provide reports on how the other half lived.

Shrewder
These days, Microsoft is growing shrewder about open-source software. The Redmond, Wash., company has realized that some of its businesses--such as the management tools and Virtual Server units--can boost their bottom line by offering better Linux interoperability.

"Microsoft is a very opportunistic company," Hilf said. "It is looking for ways to increase its business. We want to continue to build software that sells well."

Hilf said that on the Redmond campus, in discussions with colleagues, he often finds himself acting as a proxy for a customer who runs Linux.

"They will come to me saying 'Hey, Bill, is this something you think Linux customers would really be interested in, or is this stupid?" Hilf said.

Hilf's ability to straddle the divide between the Windows and Linux worlds also makes him popular with Microsoft customers, who ask him for advice on getting the two to work together. "A lot of customers say, 'I have mixed stuff too; you must have figured out how to do blah, blah, blah,'" Hilf said.

Even setting up shop amid Redmond's all-Windows world was a challenge for Hilf.

He started with the ambitious goal of creating a server room with dozens of flavors of Linux, along with commercial Unix software from Sun Microsystems, IBM, Hewlett-Packard and

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Boycott Dell, HP, Gateway
The major computer OEMs such as Dell, HP, and Gateway are refusing to offer CONSUMERS a non-Microsoft choice (for low end inexpensive computers).

These OEMs are anti-competitve and anti-consumer-choice.
They continue to maintain Microsoft's desktop monopoly.

I suggest not doing business with these companies
until they offer a serious non-Microsoft choice to CONSUMERS.


Here are some companies that DO offer consumers a choice.

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<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.linuxcertified.com/" target="_newWindow">http://www.linuxcertified.com/</a>
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Posted by cyber_rigger (70 comments )
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I went to McDonalds today and they wouldnt sell me a car
I went to McDonalds today and they wouldnt sell me a car.

The moral of that story is that its the company's right to sell the products it wants to sell. Why should Dell sell linux PCs if they dont want to? Didnt they do so in the past? It probably just wasnt profitable for them. This may come as a suprise to people who are stuck in college dorm rooms, but 90%+ of the world still uses AND PREFERS Windows over other OSs.
Posted by (402 comments )
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BOYCOTT APPLE!!!!
Apple Computer is REFUSING to offer CONSUMERS a non-Apple/Macintosh OS choice (for low end inexpensive Macs).

Apple * IS * anti-competitve and anti-consumer-choice.
They continue to maintain a Macintosh OS monopoly on they computers they sell. Do you realize that 100% of the computers Apple sells run Macintosh? Aboslutely horrific.

I suggest not doing business with Apple
until they offer a serious non-Apple/Macintosh OS choice to CONSUMERS. Power to the consumer!

I DEMAND Apple offer computers that run Linux or some other variant of *nix. There are many Operating Systems that run on the Power PC platform, but because Apple has a MONOPOLY on the OS's that are installed on the computers they sell, the consumer suffers! Free us from the horribly unjust Apple Macintosh tax!
Posted by Maxwell Studly (97 comments )
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Boycott Dell, HP, Gateway
The major computer OEMs such as Dell, HP, and Gateway are refusing to offer CONSUMERS a non-Microsoft choice (for low end inexpensive computers).

These OEMs are anti-competitve and anti-consumer-choice.
They continue to maintain Microsoft's desktop monopoly.

I suggest not doing business with these companies
until they offer a serious non-Microsoft choice to CONSUMERS.


Here are some companies that DO offer consumers a choice.

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.systemax.com/divisions.htm" target="_newWindow">http://www.systemax.com/divisions.htm</a>
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.microtelpc.com/" target="_newWindow">http://www.microtelpc.com/</a>
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.linuxcertified.com/" target="_newWindow">http://www.linuxcertified.com/</a>
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<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed" target="_newWindow">http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed</a>
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/index.html" target="_newWindow">http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/index.html</a>
Posted by cyber_rigger (70 comments )
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I went to McDonalds today and they wouldnt sell me a car
I went to McDonalds today and they wouldnt sell me a car.

The moral of that story is that its the company's right to sell the products it wants to sell. Why should Dell sell linux PCs if they dont want to? Didnt they do so in the past? It probably just wasnt profitable for them. This may come as a suprise to people who are stuck in college dorm rooms, but 90%+ of the world still uses AND PREFERS Windows over other OSs.
Posted by (402 comments )
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BOYCOTT APPLE!!!!
Apple Computer is REFUSING to offer CONSUMERS a non-Apple/Macintosh OS choice (for low end inexpensive Macs).

Apple * IS * anti-competitve and anti-consumer-choice.
They continue to maintain a Macintosh OS monopoly on they computers they sell. Do you realize that 100% of the computers Apple sells run Macintosh? Aboslutely horrific.

I suggest not doing business with Apple
until they offer a serious non-Apple/Macintosh OS choice to CONSUMERS. Power to the consumer!

I DEMAND Apple offer computers that run Linux or some other variant of *nix. There are many Operating Systems that run on the Power PC platform, but because Apple has a MONOPOLY on the OS's that are installed on the computers they sell, the consumer suffers! Free us from the horribly unjust Apple Macintosh tax!
Posted by Maxwell Studly (97 comments )
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Shake head sadly...
At the end of the day a corporation in America is doing its job if it can make money. Microsoft makes money. I guess the real question is this?

Is it okay for a corporation to make money if its not good for society? Do we have a right to be angry at a corporation for simply making money no matter the cost? The definitions are difficult to nail down, but clearly we created a working definition with words like "convicted monopolist".

I believe this entire Linux education move from Microsoft is simple mathematics for them. Linux is not going away... They want to better tool up to deal with them intelligently rather than just sending lawyers and marketing people...

Furthermore, I'm pretty sure the international usage of Open Source is probably their biggest impetus to gain traction in dealing with Linux.

They cannot "market away" the fact that for Microsoft to make billions of dollars in another country means a lot of that money will be leaving the country... When it clearly might be better for that money to remain inside the borders...

Shenanigans like what we have seen in the past (purchase Mosaic by offering royalties, give away IE for free... Screw Mosaic while screwing Netscape... Two for one...) won't fly well internationally... I'm sure the French would love to get screwed by a predominantly US based corporation.

Time will tell but once again... Microsoft is simply a typical "want to make money" souless corporation. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by UntoldDreams (91 comments )
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Give me a break
Shake your head all you want. Companies need to make money. The Linux god and many of his priests are paid to work on Linux, unlike most of the brotherhood. If you think that Linus and Steve care more for the world and all of it's pretty flowers than Bill then it is time for you to wake up to reality.
Posted by Andrew J Glina (1673 comments )
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Economy of OSS
It is true that a part of the money spend on commercial software overseas goes to the US. But a good part (in most countries, a much bigger part) also goes to local salaries and taxes which remain in the country. The local government doesn't see a dime in taxes for OSS software used. Neither it's true that local countries economies get any boost by collaborating in OSS development. On the contraire, anything they do becomes free for any other country. Yes, local developers learn, but that knowledge is of no use if their work is valued nothing.
But the thing that's most important is that what's best for companies is best for the government. If companies were more efficient by running linux and that helped their bottom line and their ability to compete, they would be fleeing in that direction, and the governments would be right to be pushing for Linux. But if Linux is not saving money to the companies, then the government would be wrong to push it, since in the end it would be making its industry less efficient and competitive. If the rationale of not buying foreign software applied, france should not be buying processors, chipsets, LASERs, or almost anything else from the US. But they are, because it's profitable for them to do so. Same with Windows. The day Linux becomes cheaper, companies will notice. Until that day, governments should stay out of the loop.
Posted by Hernys (744 comments )
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Microsoft to make billions of dollars
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Posted by George Cole (314 comments )
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Shake head sadly...
At the end of the day a corporation in America is doing its job if it can make money. Microsoft makes money. I guess the real question is this?

Is it okay for a corporation to make money if its not good for society? Do we have a right to be angry at a corporation for simply making money no matter the cost? The definitions are difficult to nail down, but clearly we created a working definition with words like "convicted monopolist".

I believe this entire Linux education move from Microsoft is simple mathematics for them. Linux is not going away... They want to better tool up to deal with them intelligently rather than just sending lawyers and marketing people...

Furthermore, I'm pretty sure the international usage of Open Source is probably their biggest impetus to gain traction in dealing with Linux.

They cannot "market away" the fact that for Microsoft to make billions of dollars in another country means a lot of that money will be leaving the country... When it clearly might be better for that money to remain inside the borders...

Shenanigans like what we have seen in the past (purchase Mosaic by offering royalties, give away IE for free... Screw Mosaic while screwing Netscape... Two for one...) won't fly well internationally... I'm sure the French would love to get screwed by a predominantly US based corporation.

Time will tell but once again... Microsoft is simply a typical "want to make money" souless corporation. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by UntoldDreams (91 comments )
Reply Link Flag
Give me a break
Shake your head all you want. Companies need to make money. The Linux god and many of his priests are paid to work on Linux, unlike most of the brotherhood. If you think that Linus and Steve care more for the world and all of it's pretty flowers than Bill then it is time for you to wake up to reality.
Posted by Andrew J Glina (1673 comments )
Link Flag
Economy of OSS
It is true that a part of the money spend on commercial software overseas goes to the US. But a good part (in most countries, a much bigger part) also goes to local salaries and taxes which remain in the country. The local government doesn't see a dime in taxes for OSS software used. Neither it's true that local countries economies get any boost by collaborating in OSS development. On the contraire, anything they do becomes free for any other country. Yes, local developers learn, but that knowledge is of no use if their work is valued nothing.
But the thing that's most important is that what's best for companies is best for the government. If companies were more efficient by running linux and that helped their bottom line and their ability to compete, they would be fleeing in that direction, and the governments would be right to be pushing for Linux. But if Linux is not saving money to the companies, then the government would be wrong to push it, since in the end it would be making its industry less efficient and competitive. If the rationale of not buying foreign software applied, france should not be buying processors, chipsets, LASERs, or almost anything else from the US. But they are, because it's profitable for them to do so. Same with Windows. The day Linux becomes cheaper, companies will notice. Until that day, governments should stay out of the loop.
Posted by Hernys (744 comments )
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Microsoft to make billions of dollars
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Posted by George Cole (314 comments )
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I think we have all gone nuts.
I have to admit I've read more comments from Linux and Apple "fanatics" helping the Microsoft "fanatics" than I've heard good arguments.

First off let's talk about Viruses and Trojan Horses. Is there any reason to believe that Linux or Mac OSX is impurvious to viri, worms, or trojan horses? No. Is it probably harder for those who write such programs to do so? Probably. By default on most Linux distro's security is higher than it is on Windows. If Windows used security like Linux would we see fewer successful attacks? I think so.

Why do people buy Windows? Probably for a lot of the same reasons they buy Nike's. It's a known brand. It works for them. It usually comes preinstalled on the PC they bought. Because the local computer store or resident geek only know how to support Windows. I'm sure there are lots more reasons.

Why aren't people running to linux? Probably most people don't know what Linux is, are scared of it, can't find software they want to use on it, are to lazy to learn something new, etc. The migration from Windows to any other Operating System is going to be slow. People just don't change that fast. Think of how many people are still running Windows 95/98.

Now about open source. I really find it funny that people think of open sources as free source. Open Source, at least to me, doesn't mean free. It simply mean that I have access to the source code. There are many ways to make money off of Open Source other than selling the software. Support is a major one. I figure support is better served to developers or administrators than the average user. Most users won't pay people outside their local stores or geeks for support. I've heard a few arguments about how well Microsoft supports their customers. Well, that's true and not true. They may have free phone support, but on average those people don't know squat. If you want to talk to someone that does, you pay. But you know what? There's nothing wrong with that. Talking to "real" tech's cost money either way you go. Those people aren't the minimum wage temp works that answer the phones. If Microsoft tacted on fees for talking to "real" tech's then Windows would be $1500 right out of the gate, but like most companies they subsidise the cost by hiring common people to field support calls. If they can't figure it out then you are probably going to have to pay (unless of course it is a problem with the software itself).

Complain all you want about any of the OS's, but those who complain are really winning any new supporters. When somebody comes at you with some BS then hit them with facts or at least a resonable opinions. When you comeback with (insert OS here) is crap who's point do you think your proving? All you really show is that you can't come up with a valid response to their point or opinion. For those Linux and Apple users out there. Make sure you help support common users. You want them to switch then help them through the transition.
Posted by System Tyrant (1453 comments )
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And....
How is the Linux install, that you are working with,
doing?
Posted by (16 comments )
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Excellent post
Thank you.

Linux does have much higher default security then windows. But that it only half the story.

Even with tweaking every possible setting in windows and loading your windows install with 3rd party security software, windows can not match the default linux security and performance.

You MIGHT be able to come sort of close if you run your computer through a linux box as a firewall, but you still have to deal with crappy MS design decisions like dll's and its software management that slowly degrade your system over a short period of time. Besides, if someone is going to take the time to set up a seperate linux box, why not use it for your computing tasks?
Posted by Bill Dautrive (1179 comments )
Link Flag
I think we have all gone nuts.
I have to admit I've read more comments from Linux and Apple "fanatics" helping the Microsoft "fanatics" than I've heard good arguments.

First off let's talk about Viruses and Trojan Horses. Is there any reason to believe that Linux or Mac OSX is impurvious to viri, worms, or trojan horses? No. Is it probably harder for those who write such programs to do so? Probably. By default on most Linux distro's security is higher than it is on Windows. If Windows used security like Linux would we see fewer successful attacks? I think so.

Why do people buy Windows? Probably for a lot of the same reasons they buy Nike's. It's a known brand. It works for them. It usually comes preinstalled on the PC they bought. Because the local computer store or resident geek only know how to support Windows. I'm sure there are lots more reasons.

Why aren't people running to linux? Probably most people don't know what Linux is, are scared of it, can't find software they want to use on it, are to lazy to learn something new, etc. The migration from Windows to any other Operating System is going to be slow. People just don't change that fast. Think of how many people are still running Windows 95/98.

Now about open source. I really find it funny that people think of open sources as free source. Open Source, at least to me, doesn't mean free. It simply mean that I have access to the source code. There are many ways to make money off of Open Source other than selling the software. Support is a major one. I figure support is better served to developers or administrators than the average user. Most users won't pay people outside their local stores or geeks for support. I've heard a few arguments about how well Microsoft supports their customers. Well, that's true and not true. They may have free phone support, but on average those people don't know squat. If you want to talk to someone that does, you pay. But you know what? There's nothing wrong with that. Talking to "real" tech's cost money either way you go. Those people aren't the minimum wage temp works that answer the phones. If Microsoft tacted on fees for talking to "real" tech's then Windows would be $1500 right out of the gate, but like most companies they subsidise the cost by hiring common people to field support calls. If they can't figure it out then you are probably going to have to pay (unless of course it is a problem with the software itself).

Complain all you want about any of the OS's, but those who complain are really winning any new supporters. When somebody comes at you with some BS then hit them with facts or at least a resonable opinions. When you comeback with (insert OS here) is crap who's point do you think your proving? All you really show is that you can't come up with a valid response to their point or opinion. For those Linux and Apple users out there. Make sure you help support common users. You want them to switch then help them through the transition.
Posted by System Tyrant (1453 comments )
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And....
How is the Linux install, that you are working with,
doing?
Posted by (16 comments )
Link Flag
Excellent post
Thank you.

Linux does have much higher default security then windows. But that it only half the story.

Even with tweaking every possible setting in windows and loading your windows install with 3rd party security software, windows can not match the default linux security and performance.

You MIGHT be able to come sort of close if you run your computer through a linux box as a firewall, but you still have to deal with crappy MS design decisions like dll's and its software management that slowly degrade your system over a short period of time. Besides, if someone is going to take the time to set up a seperate linux box, why not use it for your computing tasks?
Posted by Bill Dautrive (1179 comments )
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Know your enemy
Then you'll know how to live with them...

Or how to get rid of them...

Watch and learn.
Posted by Mendz (519 comments )
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Know your enemy
Then you'll know how to live with them...

Or how to get rid of them...

Watch and learn.
Posted by Mendz (519 comments )
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Microsoft Linux!?
The sad or funny thing is that Microsoft proabably know more about Linux than most of the people who write here. I would be willing to bet that you will see things crop up in Windows and other Microsoft products that are already in Linux/Unix.

Now before you guys start giving me a hard time understand I don't care. If Microsoft can get idea's from linux and successfully use them in Windows that's fine with me. Under the same token, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with Linux, Apple, or anybody else using concepts found in Microsoft products if they can successfully use them in their own products (well as long as it doesn't violate any laws or licences).
Posted by System Tyrant (1453 comments )
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Microsoft Linux!?
The sad or funny thing is that Microsoft proabably know more about Linux than most of the people who write here. I would be willing to bet that you will see things crop up in Windows and other Microsoft products that are already in Linux/Unix.

Now before you guys start giving me a hard time understand I don't care. If Microsoft can get idea's from linux and successfully use them in Windows that's fine with me. Under the same token, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with Linux, Apple, or anybody else using concepts found in Microsoft products if they can successfully use them in their own products (well as long as it doesn't violate any laws or licences).
Posted by System Tyrant (1453 comments )
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KEEP YOUR FRIENDS CLOSE...
AND YOU ENEMIES CLOSER.
Good for "The Godfather"/Mafia &#38; for Citizen Gates / Monopoly.

IF UNIX / LINUX / MAC OSX are such a "small insignificant
market share" to the Microsith Monopoly, then WHY do they
create a MS-Linux-UNIX Lab to study how to be more
"compliant" with them or to eventually devoir them because they
are SUCH a threat to their illegal monopoly?

Why does MS spend billions on PR/advertising if they are a
monopoly to convince people to "do XP", "Try Windows"
"Windows can be creative &#38; friendly XPerience too"...?

Why does MS have a Macintosh Business Unit on their Redmond
Campus to develop MS software for the latest Apple Computers
UNIX OSX?

A: 90% market share is not enough. Kill ALL competition to own
100%.

Keep you friends close &#38; your enemies closer...
Posted by Llib Setag (951 comments )
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Kill Early, Kill Often
It's generally considered best to deal with a problem when it's small. Coke nearly lost everything learning that lesson when they reguarded Pepsi as insignificant.
Posted by THUDGUN (4 comments )
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KEEP YOUR FRIENDS CLOSE...
AND YOU ENEMIES CLOSER.
Good for "The Godfather"/Mafia &#38; for Citizen Gates / Monopoly.

IF UNIX / LINUX / MAC OSX are such a "small insignificant
market share" to the Microsith Monopoly, then WHY do they
create a MS-Linux-UNIX Lab to study how to be more
"compliant" with them or to eventually devoir them because they
are SUCH a threat to their illegal monopoly?

Why does MS spend billions on PR/advertising if they are a
monopoly to convince people to "do XP", "Try Windows"
"Windows can be creative &#38; friendly XPerience too"...?

Why does MS have a Macintosh Business Unit on their Redmond
Campus to develop MS software for the latest Apple Computers
UNIX OSX?

A: 90% market share is not enough. Kill ALL competition to own
100%.

Keep you friends close &#38; your enemies closer...
Posted by Llib Setag (951 comments )
Reply Link Flag
Kill Early, Kill Often
It's generally considered best to deal with a problem when it's small. Coke nearly lost everything learning that lesson when they reguarded Pepsi as insignificant.
Posted by THUDGUN (4 comments )
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Microsoft vs. Linux
I have to say that I have tried both and found myself returning to Windows every time. I just don't have the time and patience to deal with kernels, compilers, etc. I do wish for an alternative to Windows and hope that one day Linux finds a way to be able to be usable for the average PC user. C'mon Linux, I'm rootin' for ya.
Posted by bleepbloop (15 comments )
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Alternative to MS Windows TODAY...
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.apple.com/switch/reasons/reason09.html" target="_newWindow">http://www.apple.com/switch/reasons/reason09.html</a>

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.apple.com/macmini/" target="_newWindow">http://www.apple.com/macmini/</a>

Set a space-saving Mac mini atop your PC workstation and add a
KVM switch to share a PC keyboard, monitor and mouse.

One computer that is Mac OSX / Unix / Linux &#38; Open Source
friendly via Terminal / Microsoft Office Suite for Mac is
seamlessly compatible with Microsoft Office for Windows XP /
Virtual PC / SOON (2006) to be INTEL based MacIntel so Mac OSX
Tiger &#38; Windows OS's will run on ONE computer.
Posted by Llib Setag (951 comments )
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Try Xandros
It is idiot-proof(not saying you are) and just as easy to use as windows, and runs a ton of windows apps easily.

Basically it is windows without the bugs.
Posted by Bill Dautrive (1179 comments )
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Hooray Linux!
I too root for Linux. Most people simply don't have the time to learn a new operating system, and more to the point most people feel they don't need to. They're absolutely right to believe that because if it works for you, there's no reason to change it. Others opinions of what is best for you is unimportant. Anecdotal information of no malware and no crashes is equally useless. If it becomes important enough for the user to actually seek a different solution then they will need to research their needs (not the needs of others and their solutions) and make the effort. Otherwise they'll continue the way they've been going, and that's ok too. Most people don't even research cars when it's time to buy a new one, and lets face it, a car is a damn site more expensive than most computers on the ingle user basis.

I also root for Mac. I started on a Commodore PET, then a Vic 20, Commodore 64 and Apple II. I've used every Apple computer except the first one. I loved the Apple II. I used the Lisa and all the Macs right up to the G5. I prefer Windows. I would love to see Mac grow to a significant market share, but I dont see anything in their marketing or development to actually achieve that. Seems they spend most of their effort with the iPod... Who knows what the future will bring.
Posted by THUDGUN (4 comments )
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Microsoft vs. Linux
I have to say that I have tried both and found myself returning to Windows every time. I just don't have the time and patience to deal with kernels, compilers, etc. I do wish for an alternative to Windows and hope that one day Linux finds a way to be able to be usable for the average PC user. C'mon Linux, I'm rootin' for ya.
Posted by bleepbloop (15 comments )
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Alternative to MS Windows TODAY...
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.apple.com/switch/reasons/reason09.html" target="_newWindow">http://www.apple.com/switch/reasons/reason09.html</a>

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.apple.com/macmini/" target="_newWindow">http://www.apple.com/macmini/</a>

Set a space-saving Mac mini atop your PC workstation and add a
KVM switch to share a PC keyboard, monitor and mouse.

One computer that is Mac OSX / Unix / Linux &#38; Open Source
friendly via Terminal / Microsoft Office Suite for Mac is
seamlessly compatible with Microsoft Office for Windows XP /
Virtual PC / SOON (2006) to be INTEL based MacIntel so Mac OSX
Tiger &#38; Windows OS's will run on ONE computer.
Posted by Llib Setag (951 comments )
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Try Xandros
It is idiot-proof(not saying you are) and just as easy to use as windows, and runs a ton of windows apps easily.

Basically it is windows without the bugs.
Posted by Bill Dautrive (1179 comments )
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Hooray Linux!
I too root for Linux. Most people simply don't have the time to learn a new operating system, and more to the point most people feel they don't need to. They're absolutely right to believe that because if it works for you, there's no reason to change it. Others opinions of what is best for you is unimportant. Anecdotal information of no malware and no crashes is equally useless. If it becomes important enough for the user to actually seek a different solution then they will need to research their needs (not the needs of others and their solutions) and make the effort. Otherwise they'll continue the way they've been going, and that's ok too. Most people don't even research cars when it's time to buy a new one, and lets face it, a car is a damn site more expensive than most computers on the ingle user basis.

I also root for Mac. I started on a Commodore PET, then a Vic 20, Commodore 64 and Apple II. I've used every Apple computer except the first one. I loved the Apple II. I used the Lisa and all the Macs right up to the G5. I prefer Windows. I would love to see Mac grow to a significant market share, but I dont see anything in their marketing or development to actually achieve that. Seems they spend most of their effort with the iPod... Who knows what the future will bring.
Posted by THUDGUN (4 comments )
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Make no mistake, they're trying to kill Linux
n/t
Posted by technewsjunkie (1265 comments )
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personal attack
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.analogstereo.com/land_rover_freelander_owners_manual.htm" target="_newWindow">http://www.analogstereo.com/land_rover_freelander_owners_manual.htm</a>
Posted by George Cole (314 comments )
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Make no mistake, they're trying to kill Linux
n/t
Posted by technewsjunkie (1265 comments )
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personal attack
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.analogstereo.com/land_rover_freelander_owners_manual.htm" target="_newWindow">http://www.analogstereo.com/land_rover_freelander_owners_manual.htm</a>
Posted by George Cole (314 comments )
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More worms than a rotten apple
More security holes than swiss cheese.

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://jmaximus.blogspot.com" target="_newWindow">http://jmaximus.blogspot.com</a>
Posted by jmaximus9 (86 comments )
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worms
What, Linux? If so, bull. Linux makes up a small market than MAC, and harldy anyone writes viruses/worms/trojans for Mac, let alone Linux. Why, when 90% of the market is MSN owned
Posted by (75 comments )
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More worms than a rotten apple
More security holes than swiss cheese.

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://jmaximus.blogspot.com" target="_newWindow">http://jmaximus.blogspot.com</a>
Posted by jmaximus9 (86 comments )
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worms
What, Linux? If so, bull. Linux makes up a small market than MAC, and harldy anyone writes viruses/worms/trojans for Mac, let alone Linux. Why, when 90% of the market is MSN owned
Posted by (75 comments )
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