June 11, 2007 1:06 PM PDT

Apple takes Safari to Windows and iPhone

Apple plans to ship a version of its Safari Web browser for Windows, and third-party developers will be able to get a piece of the iPhone, the company announced Monday.

A beta version of Safari for Windows is available now, CEO Steve Jobs announced during his keynote speech at the company's 2007 Worldwide Developers Conference. Safari will also allow Web developers to create applications for the iPhone using common Web development standards that can interact with the rest of the applications that will ship with the iPhone.

Jobs previewed several features that will be shipped with Leopard, the next version of Mac OS X, which is due in October for $129. But the Safari news was unexpected; the software became available Monday on Apple's Web site for Windows users as a free beta version.

Apple has only a 5 percent share of the browser market, behind Microsoft's Internet Explorer and Mozilla's Firefox, but Jobs reckons that allowing Windows users to download the browser will help boost market share the same way that making iTunes available for Windows users helped that application.

The new version, Safari 3, is also the key to allowing application developers to create third-party applications for the hotly anticipated iPhone, which is set to go on sale at 6 p.m. on June 29, Jobs announced (an Apple representative could not immediately confirm whether that was 6 p.m. Pacific time or Eastern time, or whether it would be rolling launch). The pitch is that developers can create Web applications using Web 2.0 standards like Ajax that will work just as well as applications that Apple has written natively for the iPhone.

Applications designed with the iPhone in mind will run in a Safari browser on the phone with hooks into other applications, such as voice calling, e-mail and Google Maps.

Scott Forstall, vice president of iPhone software development, demonstrated a sample application that Apple built to access contacts in a corporate database. Clicking on a phone number in a contact record, for example, would automatically dial that contact.

Steve Jobs' WWDC keynote speech

This gives application developers a path to the iPhone, but it falls short of the software development kit that some were hoping for that would allow developers to create native applications for the iPhone.

Jobs devoted the majority of his talk to Leopard, which was originally supposed to be available around the time of this week's WWDC but was delayed until October so that Apple could get the iPhone out on time. He showed off 10 features of Leopard that set to be additions to the operating system, including some that have been shown over the past year, such as Time Machine, Cover Flow and Boot Camp.

"We believe the Leopard features highlighted today will serve to further differentiate Macs and will help catalyze market share gains," Gene Munster, an analyst with Piper Jaffray, wrote in a research report distributed after Jobs' speech.

Leopard developers will now have the ability to create 64-bit applications specifically for Macs. They previously could create 64-bit applications for the Unix code base that's underneath Mac OS X, but Apple is now extending 64-bit support to the Cocoa development environment, allowing developers to create native 64-bit Mac OS applications, Jobs said.

Drivers for 32-bit applications will work with 64-bit applications, and vice versa, said Brian Croll, senior director of Mac OS X product marketing. Leopard can run both 32-bit and 64-bit applications, but Tiger users won't be able to run applications in 64 bits, he said.

Apple believes that its professional customers, graphics professionals and multimedia developers, will be able to take advantage of 64-bit applications immediately, Croll said. The biggest advantage of a 64-bit application is its ability to address large amounts of memory; 32-bit applications can only address 4GB of memory. There aren't a ton of people buying PCs with 4GB of memory or more at this point (only Apple's Mac Pro can accommodate more than 4GB), but that will probably change in the future as memory costs continue to decline and newer applications are created.

Apple focused on making the desktop easier to manage and organize with Leopard. One new feature that helps make that happen is called Stacks.

Stacks lets Mac OS X users see the files inside a folder in the dock, the row of application icons usually found at the bottom of the desktop screen, making it easier to find files without having to open a lot of application windows, Jobs said. It also works as an application launcher if the Applications folder is dragged into the dock, Jobs said.

Jobs also showed off a new version of Finder that uses the Cover Flow technology to enable Mac users to browse for files on their computers using an interface similar to the one used in iTunes for scrolling through songs or movies.

It also lets users search other computers--both Windows and Macs--connected to a local-area network, and it syncs up with Apple's .Mac service to let road warriors access the sales contract they left back on their home Mac before setting out on a trip.

Jobs also took some time at the beginning of his address to address a sore subject with many Mac fans: game support. Electronic Arts' Bing Gordon, co-founder and CTO, announced that the company is bring four popular titles (Command and Conquer 3, Battlefield 2142, Need for Speed Carbon, and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix) to the Mac in July.

But more significantly, he said EA would release Madden NFL 08 and Tiger Woods Golf 08 simultaneously on Macs and PCs. Mac fans have in the past complained about the delay in getting the most popular titles ported over from Windows.

Apple's stock price fell $4.30, or 3.45 percent, to close at $120.19 Monday, suggesting investors might have been hoping for something more from Jobs' on-stage presentation.

CNET News.com's Ina Fried contributed to this report.

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Safari 3 for Window BUGGY
Safari BETA 3, lives up Apple's bad reputation of writing buggy Windows software on one of my XP (fully patched) home box. Unlike Opera and unlike Firefox, it did not install correctly, did not uninstall correctly and is unworkable. It had NO menu bar. None. Where the address box would be, was blank. All menu functions had roll-over effects, but no text and the drop down menus dropped, but had no text and didn't work either. The Google box was blank and didn't work. We're talking a solid, ugly, "brushed grey metal" tool bar of nothingness. The only thing that worked was the START page which happened to be the Apple site. You could use the page links in the browser window to navigate that site but nothing was possible outside of the page.

I uninstalled it and found out Apple's simply "does NOT work" beta Safari also:

1. Does not get rid of numerous registry entries.
2. Does not get rid of owner\application data\Apple Computer\Safari which contains two subfolders and numerous files.
3. Even with an uninstaller, leaves an entire folder of entries called "Bonjour" in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE_SOFTWARE.

I rebooted, reinstalled the program and experienced the same "simply does NOT work" experience. So I'm done with it, for now. Beta must mean something really different to Apple than it does to Google or Opera or Firefox.

I did get it to work on anotherr machine, but it didn't handle javascript menus accurately (unlike IE, Firefox and Opera). So either Safari is right and the rest of the world is wrong, or it has a problem in this area. I'll go with the world.

I'll wait until they get things right in version 3 plus plus or 4.
Posted by crescentdave (123 comments )
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it's beta
That said.. I couldn't even try it at work.. Kept crashing when I enter
my username and password for the proxy at work.
Safari does not like proxies on the Mac either.. the really need to
fix that.
Posted by Jesus#2 (127 comments )
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haven't uninstalled... yet
Yes, I found the same thing. Major sites like Yahoo and Amazon come up mostly blank -- and these site are provided at install on the bookmark toolbar, so you think they would work well. Other small sites -- no content, forms did not display or I could not fill them in. Not a good choice for a first Windows public "beta" on this one. (I'm on XP SP2). Apple will get no converts to Safari today. Do they only test on in-house sites? :-) Will watch for update(s) to be posted over the next week or so.
Posted by book_geek (3 comments )
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I'm glad you're taking your time to review it. 5 minutes.
A) It's a Beta.
B) You've had it for how long?? It's only been out for HOURS.
Posted by technewsjunkie (1265 comments )
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Count your blessings
Apple says that it beta, MicroSoft would say that it is release v1 :)
Posted by Lee in San Diego (608 comments )
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Safari beta working well here
I've been using the Safari beta extensively since it was posted on
Apple's web site this afternoon. I have experienced no problems
with installation or usage.
Posted by CBSTV (780 comments )
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Got It On One Computer!!
Batting .333 on this beta release. Interesting, but has problems with sites, doesn't handle javascript nav buttons on some sites well, or at all. Positioning all off.

It doesn't follow windows protocol and it doesn't resize from any and all sides. It has it's own font rendering overlay which screws up Vista's native font handling.

I stand by my comments (and a few thousand more on various other sites). It's a pretty RAW beta. More like an alpha on the PC side of things. I have to think it was rush-released to coincide with wwdc 2007.

Bottom line? The reason why it's beta? It's obviously not ready for prime time, hearkening back to pre-Google and Firefox definitions of beta.
Posted by crescentdave (123 comments )
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What the heck are you talking about? Google and Firefox don't get
to redefine what "beta" means. Beta means beta means beta. Use it,
check it out, don't rely on it. End of story.

Google and Firefox just leave "beta" on their finished products as a
disclaimer for when things go wrong, so they can still feel like they
are perfect and wonderful.
Posted by tedk7 (66 comments )
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Safari 3 for Windows not that easy to use
it is supposed to have an easy bookmark import feature.

It does not.

I had to do File/Import and browse to where my Firefox
bookmarks where and then import them. After I did I did not see
them in the bookmarks menu. I had to click on "show all
bookmarks" to see "Imported Firefox Bookmarks" and then click
on that to open up my bookmarks. I want my Firefox bookmarks
as part of the bookmarks menu without clicking on "Show all
bookmarks" and I cannot see an option for that. It should not be
that hard, even Firefox and Opera are easier to use when
importing bookmarks. Safari for Windows seems to be harder to
use, more buggy, and the interface looks bad compared to

I'll give Safari a try, I know it is beta software, but damn, I expect
easier to use software from Apple. How do you OSX users put up
with Safari not being intuitive and buggy and hard on the eyes?
Posted by Thought Police OMalley (16 comments )
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Blue screen of death
has appeared twice since I installed Safari for Windows. I have PC and my wife has a Mac. The Mac safari is much better than the Safari for Mac. I guess I will probably keep it on my system until the Blue screen reappears
Posted by Peter8105 (8 comments )
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Why do they care??
Why does every company want me to use their web browser?? Can someone explain how they make money off me using their browser?
Posted by agentbb007 (41 comments )
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Apple are gearing this up for when iPhone users play with the
Safari browser on the iPhone and are seriously impressed. I
guess they are hoping for the same iPod/iTunes Combo. So it
will be iPod/iTunes/Safari. Then Windows users will see the
huge benefit in OS X because of the iLife suite.

As for knocking the fact that there isn't many plug-ins, that's
exactly what people said about iTunes - but now look at it, with
excellent plug-ins such as Last.fm and the ever-impressive <a href="http://www.thefilter.com">The Filter</a>
Posted by Wraith_X (4 comments )
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Whoever controls the browser controls the users and developers! Users *must* use your browser to get access to certain services. While developers *must* develop on/for your browser to get access to captured users.

This is only completely true with closed proprietary browsers like Internet Explorer and Safari. But is also true by default with Firefox, because Mozilla controls what is defined as the "official" version of that browser. The difference is that the Mozilla Foundation cannot hide things that users or developers would not accept because their source code is publicly viewable.

Microsoft and Apple on the other hand have placed controls and "lock ins" into their browsers that are not in their customers (users and developers) interest and can be expected to continue to do so.
Posted by trimtab (1 comment )
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B-E-T-A browser for developers people...
Safari for Windows is a BETA program released at a SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS CONFERENCE for testing, finding bugs &#38; making improvements...

Finding areas for improvement PRIOR to releasing Safari for Windows to PUBLIC IS A GOOD THING PEOPLE! (something that Redmond Microsloth should look into...)

BETA osftware is for developers NOT the general public to put on their home computers...UNTIL certified GOLD PUBLIC RELEASE is made by Apple...


"idiots" Napoleon Dynamite.
Posted by Llib Setag (951 comments )
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Did you know that your name spelled backwards is Bill Gates?

On Apple's site they refer to it as a "PUBLIC BETA" not a SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS beta, and they claim that it "IS" the fastest and easiest to use Web browser IN THE WORLD. They don't say it WILL be or it MIGHT be, they say it IS.

So, if it's still in beta, isn't it a little early for them to make such claims?

Either way, I have a pretty fast computer, with a pretty fast connection, so a second here or there doesn't mean as much to me as being able to configure the browser the way I want to. So far Safari (whether on my Vista laptop or my eMac) still lags behind Firefox and IE. There are a number of very useful UI features in both FF and IE that are missing from Safari. And it usually seem to be that if simple UI elements are not in the current stable realease and not in the public beta, they ain't coming.
Posted by louismanges (6 comments )
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not quite
this is a public beta. Apple is encouraging the public to install it. if it was for developers they would have a limited release like MS does.

This shouldn't even qualify as beta. This should be classified as an early alpha release.

I'm afraid Apple has taken a perception hit with this debacle.
Posted by frankwick (413 comments )
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Look at it this way
Microsoft just releases to developers and often the software comes
out buggy in the end. The reason for this is that developers will
tend to fix small issues themselves to get on with writing code.
Ergo, small bugs don't always get fixed.
Apple specificly released this browser to developers but allowed it
to be released tgo the general public too. This way, they can find
all of the problems that a developer might over look as
Posted by beubanks7507 (49 comments )
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Wow just what the world needed...another browser.
The sad part is all the fan boys will see is "Apple" and think the world of if it even though it brings nothing significantly new.
Posted by g8crapachino (220 comments )
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