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August 15, 2006 10:37 AM PDT

Apple: iPod means our pod

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Following Google's insistence that media outlets shouldn't be using the term "Googling," Apple Computer has become similarly protective over the word "pod."

The Cupertino, Calif.-based company has sent cease-and-desist letters to at least two companies that include the word "pod" in their product titles, in connection with its iPod digital-music players.

Mach5products.com, which sells a device for collecting data from vending machines called Profit Pod, received one of the letters. TightPod, which manufactures laptop-protecting covers, got another.

Apple asked both companies to rename their products, arguing that they infringe on its iPod trademark.

Sarah Wright, intellectual-property solicitor at law firm Olswang, said Apple's letters are not unusual. The Mac maker may not expect or intend to take the matter all the way to court, she said.

"It's common practice for big-brand owners to send letters like this...If they don't police their brand properly and ensure that trademarks that are too similar to their brands don't get on the register, it makes it more difficult to enforce their rights against third parties," she said.

A blog on sister site ZDNet News posted what purports to be a letter from Apple's lawyers to Carolee and Dave Ellison, who run Mach5products. The letter reads: "We believe there is confusing similarity between Apple's iPod mark and the Profit Pod mark. Both devices receive and transmit data, and are used with computers, both are used in connection with video games, and both have other similar components. Moreover, it has not gone unnoticed that, like Apple's iPod device, the Profit Pod product is a small, flat, round-cornered rectangular device with a display screen."

Mach5products also applied for a patent on the name of its product in 2004, an action Apple requested the company rescind in its letter.

Wright said the trademark filing may have been the catalyst for Apple's move. "Often, people think they must get a trademark," she said. "Sometimes they're better off not getting one and acquiring rights through trading...and avoid getting into these kind of scrapes."

TightPod has also been instructed to abandon a trademark application it had filed to cover the TightPod in relation to MP3 players, with Apple once again citing possible confusion with its iPod.

Terry Wilson, who makes and sells TightPods, has responded by offering to remove the reference to MP3 players or for Apple to pay half the cost of rebranding efforts. Wilson is also considering going to court over the matter.

Apple did not respond to requests for comment.

This is not the first time the company has used legal means to protect its iPod trademark. Apple sued a German company over its Spodradio product earlier this year.

Jo Best of Silicon.com reported from London.

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ipod yes, pod no
by slewisma August 15, 2006 11:39 AM PDT
The term pod has been used with many products by many companies, especially in the photography and video industry for tripods, mono-pods, clamp-pods, etc. I can see Apple having some claim to the use of "iPod" but it seems a stretch that they can claim the more generic pod after so much past use.

thepod.ca also apparently trademarked "pod".
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Well come to think of it
by Shadowfire267 August 16, 2006 8:26 AM PDT
Man i never knew that my laptop manafature would get sued by Apple. My laptop "receive and transmit data" (WiFi), its "used with computers" (aka Network), and on top of that "are used in connection with video games" (Playing Games). Man that is pure bull seriosuly, you can say pod in anything. Like if I were to say im gonna go to my Escape Pod (not saying I have one), what would I get sued. Why are they sueing them now? Is it beacuse Ipod sales are Down I sence a second benifit to this!!! any one else.....
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Microsoft tried to trademark "windows" (small "w")
by technewsjunkie August 15, 2006 11:49 AM PDT
How many (non-technology) companies use the term "windows" in
thier product materials??

Audacious.
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"pod is a Dictionary term...not a TM
by Methuss August 15, 2006 11:54 AM PDT
Apple is being rediculous. Next thing you know they will send C&D letters to farmers for marketing "peas in a pod." Just a bunch of corporate lawyers trying to justify their existance.
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no, it's just business
by tipper_gore August 15, 2006 3:19 PM PDT
If they don't come down on stuff like this the trademark will get watered down to the point that they will lose it. It's just the way business works. There's nothing special about this -- it goes on thousands of times a day with thousands of companies, however we happen to be hearing about this one because iPods are trendy.
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So is ?Apple?
by the Otter August 17, 2006 11:03 AM PDT
?and yet Apple Corps successfully sued Apple in the ?80s and
?90s. A word?s presence in the dictionary doesn?t mean it can?t be
trademarked.
pod is a Dictionary term
by Tui Pohutukawa August 17, 2006 12:46 PM PDT
Well spotted!
CNET Sucks
by August 15, 2006 11:54 AM PDT
Give me a break with this nonsense. It's an iPod
http://www.techknowcafe.com/content/view/627/43/
so get over it.
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Beg your poden?
by Vegaman_Dan August 15, 2006 11:54 AM PDT
Good luck, Apple. I don't see much luck in copyrighting 'pod' and trying to sue anyone for using the term. That's a good way to kill off all your accessory partners for making iPod accessories- whoops, I meant 'personal music devices made by a certain Cupertino, CA company we cannot name'.

I remember when Apple tried to copyright 'Apple' and sued apple growers in Washington state. That didn't get far either.

It's much easier to welcome and help companies out with the use of the name than to fight it. It's that sort of attitude that will drive people to the Zume or other devices instead.
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My camera's got a triPOD..!!
by imacpwr August 15, 2006 12:01 PM PDT
Dare I say in public that my camera has a triPOD..?!?!
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I'm in real trouble then,
by Sboston August 16, 2006 8:58 AM PDT
I have two tripods!!!!!!

What a load of Horse Hockey!

I'm glad I bought my wife teh Sansa media player. She loves it and Apple has nothing to do with it.
"i-POD" is indees an extraordinary marketing success
by technewsjunkie August 15, 2006 12:11 PM PDT
I don't her anyone in CASUAL CONVERSATION saying I "Zen"-ed
it, or "X-Boxed it". But they are using "Pod" for ALL MANNER of
news and audio downloading.

"PodCasting" is ubiquitous, not "MP3-ing".

"pod" has become a term for mobil and media technology and a
"lifestyle" designation due to it's pop culture popularity.

BRANDING is worth something.
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Oh please
by waterspider August 15, 2006 12:12 PM PDT
What a Microsoft-esque move...
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No, this is more general
by gconrads August 15, 2006 1:32 PM PDT
Every company needs to do this.
Sad but true. Otherwise there is no point in the TM.
Sue the whales
by Christopher Hall August 15, 2006 1:14 PM PDT
I've heard they travel in pods. I think it's high time they stopped that nonsense.

Apple legal team - GO!
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Line 6 Pod predates the iPod
by slim-1 August 15, 2006 1:25 PM PDT
This is an effects unit for guitarist and bass players.

Since they are both music related Line 6 should sue Apple over it just on principle.

I guess Line 6 has more class than they do.
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Class maybe...
by gconrads August 15, 2006 1:44 PM PDT
I own a couple line 6 pods. Quite good gear, but it is not clear whether or not Line 6 has relevant TM's regarding the "pod" designation. Also, the L6 Pod, is a great example of why Apple does in fact need to do this. TM rulings are not always a matter of who was there first, but in many cases a TM ruling has to do with Market presence, and efforts to protect.

For example: John Doe might have taken a TM out on "Mickey Mouse" in 1910, but if he hasn't done anything to protect his TM while some 50+ years later Disney has become the "Mickey Mouse" we all know about, then John Doe's TM is of very little value.

In the end few legal matters have to do with class, and I suspect that Steve Jobs isn't personally behind any specific attempts to protect their marketspace other than generally approving the legal methods needed to do so.
Line 6 wouldn?t sue Apple?
by the Otter August 17, 2006 11:06 AM PDT
They use Apple products quite extensively.
PODDY MOUTH
by fastfred1 August 17, 2006 2:34 PM PDT
They didn't beat

HAL...HAL open the POD bay doors.
They think people are a bunch of fools....
by cary1 August 15, 2006 1:28 PM PDT
Look at this device first http://www.mach5products.com/profit/PROFIT%20main.htm

and now read this:

"We believe there is confusing similarity between Apple's iPod mark and the Profit Pod mark. Both devices receive and transmit data, and are used with computers, both are used in connection with video games, and both have other similar components. Moreover, it has not gone unnoticed that, like Apple's iPod device, the Profit Pod product is a small, flat, round-cornered rectangular device with a display screen."

Do you think this device is profiting from iPod's populatiry? Do you think this device will eat away iPod's market share? This is so rediculus. Apple can try all it wants.. it's difficult to win this case. I think they are wasting their time and money here
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hmm
by Sboston August 16, 2006 9:03 AM PDT
Well I must say that the Profit Pod deos not look portable at all. The display is dinky, no control wheel, can't play music at all....

Sheesh Apple!
Am I missing something?
by DaClyde August 16, 2006 9:05 AM PDT
What does the iPod have to do with video games? And how could something which is nothing more than a wireless digital counter be confused with an iPod?
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omg!!
by The user with no name August 16, 2006 8:46 PM PDT
When I followed th elink to the site of the ProfitPod I was SO TOTALLY CONFUSED!!!

Was I looking at an Apple product or some other kind of gizmo? I really couldn't be sure if this was an iPod knock off or what! I wish I could have looked for where the headphones plugged in and tried out the iTunes integration!

I really HOPE AND PRAY that MS really does make a good player (lol Ive started seeing designs for other companies new players too and am excited!) as well as offering to buy my music out from the ProfitPod.. ahem.. I mean my iPOd (see I still confused those two...NOT!) I am so tired of authorized computers being able to be used, not being able to put MY MUSIC I PAID FOR from iTunes onto other devices WIHTOUT LOOSING QUALITY due to the decompression and then recompression...

Apple's days are limited (Once the iPOd sales begin to falter what'll hold up the rest of the company then?) and I think they are beginning to see reality. So what do they do the only thing they can... sue people to try to build up a defense that they have ALWAYS been protective of their market and devices so as competitors begin to take their market share they can have a 'history' defense.
Oh, yeah...
by botherfree59 August 17, 2006 5:54 PM PDT
I would definitely mistake the Profit Pod for an ipod.....NOT!
This is a must.
by gconrads August 15, 2006 1:31 PM PDT
Every company that has trademarks has to show a reasonable effort to protect it's mark, otherwise the courts can say that the scope of their TM has declined due to their own lack of policing.

This has more to do with legal issues than with Apple in particular.
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Just how the system works (?)
by sbwinn August 15, 2006 1:36 PM PDT
I didn't say it was efficient, correct, or even smart.

If you take a closer look at it, it is all about lawyers making
business for themselves. If you want a trademark you have to hire
lawyers to get one and more lawyers to keep one.

I blame the lawyers!! Nine times out of ten it's their fault anyway.
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a-greed
by gconrads August 15, 2006 1:47 PM PDT
The only reasonable conclusion that can be made from this article has been stated above.
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Question?
by heystoopid August 15, 2006 1:53 PM PDT
Question, does that mean that every printed , audio and video article with the word "pod" in any form, from the dawn of time, be re-edited and contain "Trade Mark Apple Computer Inc."

How low can one go?
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zen nano 2 years before ipod nano
by dahnb August 15, 2006 2:32 PM PDT
Creative had a "Zen Nano" on the market about 2 years before the "IPod Nano"!
Isn't this more blatant a copyright infringement than using the term "pod"?
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Yeah, but...
by lkrupp August 15, 2006 3:23 PM PDT
After Creative assumes room temperature later this year who will
care anyway?
clue in the headline
by gggg sssss August 15, 2006 4:31 PM PDT
Saw a headline in the UK that iPods ( mentioned by name ) were to be used by the terrorists there to detonate stuff. Maybe Apple will sue the terrorists. ROTFLMAO
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Who Sues Who
by Lyricraider August 15, 2006 7:23 PM PDT
Apple, Apple, Apple. Didn't I just read a short while ago of a "Pod" company being sued for copyright violation from the old time rock group "The Beatles", for infringing on their logo? My, my, how things do turn around, now the big "Pod" is calling all the little "Pods" black.
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lest you forget...
by alaaji August 16, 2006 12:33 AM PDT
Do you remember the "Lindows" vs. "Windows" lawsuit? Guess who won that one? The big boy with the heavy pockets!
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Good Point
by daveworld August 16, 2006 8:05 AM PDT
Does MS have a patent on the word "Windows"? Just wondering.........
they were competing in the same market
by cary1 August 16, 2006 5:21 PM PDT
Ther are both OS and Lindows had the look and feel of Windows. A person can install Lindows on his PC in place of Windows... but in iPod's case, the two products have no similarity except that they are both digital devices

But I agree, the word 'Windows' should not be patented. For same reason, they call it 'Blu-Ray' and not 'Blue-Ray'
My Trademark is...
by idsantos August 16, 2006 12:57 AM PDT
My Trademark is I or i, so maybe 'I' should send a letter to Apple, requsting that they change the Ipod name to something else.
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