Comments on: Leading ISPs sign up for Goodmail antispam service

Service will certify legit e-mail from businesses by marking it with a blue ribbon. On board are Comcast, Verizon and others.

[hadaso]

Blackmail

This actually means there are services that can afford to pay 0.25 cents per emamil message to spam the service's userbase (OK, it's technically not spam. It's solicited as it's part of the service the IS{ provides: "prmotional messages from selected affilates").

It doesn't mean the end of spam. It doesn't mean the end of phishing. It doesn't apply to mail sent by individuals. It applies to mass mailings.

And BTW, phishing is trivial to avoid. Just don't use the same email address with your bank and either financial institutes as you use with all your friends/family/colleagues or post all around the web. dedicate an address for your bank. If a message from your bank comes to the address you only gave to your bank then you can probably trust it. If a message claims to be "from" your bank but comes to the address you use to sign up with certain unmentioanable websites, then it's not from your bank and you can smile and think what fools those phishers are thinking they could fool you. (Search the web for "disposable addresses".)

On the other hand spammers and phishers can put the blue ribbon on their email themselves. Many people would be fooled by that.

What is really needed is an easy way for non-technical people to to use multiple addresses: email clients should handle these for non-technical people. Banks should adopt them because they are a very effective way to avoid fraud (and allow the bank to push in ads on the unfiltered channel they get if they identify themselves properly and don't overdo it).

[chabig83]

I agree

What's to stop the spammers from imitating the blue ribbon?

[Dachi]

Another anti-phishing tip

If your bank emails you to notify you that your account statement is available or that you need to perform some type of action in your account, there is 0 reason you need to use links actually provided in the email to log into your account.

Always just log into yourbank.com in your browser to log into your account rather than clicking email links. If there is a message or bank statement for you, it will be available from your account after you log in.

[digit1001]

My Idea

I think it would be better to charge a high rate for messages, but only if they've been rejected by the receiver as SPAM. As pointed out before if you're making money off the Viagra you're selling through these messages, it's no problem to pay.

On the other hand, if you sent out 100,000 messages at once with the cost being $1.00 for each one rejected, odds are it would stop the flow a lot better.

The "how" this is accomplished would have to be some kind of challenge/response type of message to all messages through is my initial thought. I'll let someone smarter then I am with more time to figure that part out ;-)

[Renegade Knight]

Wrong Idea.

Spam filters are supposed to block spam. Not block legitimate email. Paying so legitimate email gets through...is not helping me as a customer of those companies and it's not helping me as a user of those ISPs.

My own ISP is blocking some my outgoing email with spam filters. Their days are numbered if they don't get that fixed.

They need to find another way.

[Nkully86]

Another Way

I agree 100%, however what is this "other way" that you are proposing? It is indeed sad that we have to pay our way from inbox to inbox, but it's life these days. Here's a small grievance that was written about how all of my messages (including legit ones that i wanted to read) were ending up in my spam box. http://essentialsecurity.com/news.htm?pagename=Is_Your_Junk_Mail_Folder_Turning_Into_Your_Inbox?

With the amount of spam and the loopholes that spammers are getting around, paying for door to door service might be the only way to assure us that our emails arrive in inboxes.

[Marcus Westrup]

It's Still Spam

I don't care who these messages come from: Legitimate or otherwise, anything I didn't ask for is still spam. My own bank (a trusted source?) keeps bombarding me with special deals and offers and won't stop.

This anti-spam service won't be bypassing my spam filters anytime soon.

[TV James]

Change Banks!

My bank doesn't spam me. And the bank I had before that didn't. (USAA and Wells Fargo)

[Jim Hubbard]

SPAM problem already solved....

Just use a whitelist people! If someone wants to email you, they have to be on your whitelist.

It simply amazes me that people are still having problems with this when you can stop it so easily.

ChoiceMail 3.1 is free at http://www.download.com/ChoiceMail-Free/3000-2382_4-10129568.html .

If anyone gets an inbox full of spam it's because of their own ignorance.

[ddesy]

Not practical for all...

Whitelisting is great if you can guarantee that you already know 100% of all possible valid senders that you might want to receive mail from. The odds of actually having such information are slim unless you live in a vacuum.

Say you sent a message to a support e-mail address for some company. You whitelist the address you sent the e-mail to, but, oops! The response came from a different address! You never get it!

It amazes me that people think whitelisting is the answer to everything...

[hadaso]

An even better solution:

Close your email account. You will not receive any spam at all!

[Dalkorian]

not impressed

So someone figured out a way to extort money from big
corporations for the priveledge of spamming the world. Big deal.

Seeing some blue ribbon on a message will mean nothing to me,
except possibly to direct my mouse pointer to the "report as spam"
button faster.

[sfrank212]

I've had Zero Spam for the Last Three Years

Spam
Arrest has wiped out 100% of my SPAM for the last three
years.

http://www.spamarrest.com