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Microsoft says its Sender ID is ready for action. Others say it's still early days for authentication.

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Bull
by umbrae April 18, 2006 6:33 AM PDT
This is just a way to "validate" spam. It is VERY EASY to block the email sender-id would not let through, and - if you dont use a MS Mail Server that ACCEPTS and PROCESSES EVERYTHING - it uses little processing power and bandwidth. Currently, sender-id would not block the email that get through my mail server. I would just mean more spamer would spend money with MS and Security vendors to get IDs. The end user would still get the spam.

Another MS joke at attempting to benefit from a problem that will always exist.
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Bull
by umbrae April 18, 2006 6:33 AM PDT
This is just a way to "validate" spam. It is VERY EASY to block the email sender-id would not let through, and - if you dont use a MS Mail Server that ACCEPTS and PROCESSES EVERYTHING - it uses little processing power and bandwidth. Currently, sender-id would not block the email that get through my mail server. I would just mean more spamer would spend money with MS and Security vendors to get IDs. The end user would still get the spam.

Another MS joke at attempting to benefit from a problem that will always exist.
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Bull II
by rcrusoe April 18, 2006 7:57 AM PDT
The real Spam problem is the bandwidth that it consumes. And as far as I can tell, neither MS SenderID, Yahoo DomainKeys, or AOL "Moneygrab" (aka Goodmail) will do anything about that, because the crap will be sent to my server.

All these systems can do is "verify" supposedly good messages. We already block 99% of all spam with a combination of Spamassassin and the Spamhaus.org blacklist (with no false positives).

I seriously doubt SenderID or the others could improve on that.
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Wow
by April 18, 2006 8:08 AM PDT
Spam about an anti-spam product - excellent !
Bull II
by rcrusoe April 18, 2006 7:57 AM PDT
The real Spam problem is the bandwidth that it consumes. And as far as I can tell, neither MS SenderID, Yahoo DomainKeys, or AOL "Moneygrab" (aka Goodmail) will do anything about that, because the crap will be sent to my server.

All these systems can do is "verify" supposedly good messages. We already block 99% of all spam with a combination of Spamassassin and the Spamhaus.org blacklist (with no false positives).

I seriously doubt SenderID or the others could improve on that.
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Wow
by April 18, 2006 8:08 AM PDT
Spam about an anti-spam product - excellent !
More Beta Testing!
by hawkeyeaz1 April 18, 2006 9:15 AM PDT
More beta testing a unworkable idea!

Microsoft should know by now that having people register to prove who they are doesn't work. 'No one' registerd drivers, 'no one' registers activex components, and if anyone did, would it help? Nope.

Why does Microsoft keep having us beta test their ideas and software, and try to charge us for it?
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Charge?
by KTLA_knew April 18, 2006 9:35 AM PDT
Einstein, MS is giving away money to suport an idea that is not tied to their technology at all.

You people are pathetic. I'm glad folks like you will have no meaningful impact on the world I'll be living in for the next decades. You post here over and over for no other reason than our amusement. However, you still don't have the style of ol' "Cut 'n Paste" Mettler!
Microsoft keep having us beta test their ideas
by Ipod Apple April 28, 2007 5:34 AM PDT
http://www.analogstereo.com/volvo_xc90_owners_manual.htm
More Beta Testing!
by hawkeyeaz1 April 18, 2006 9:15 AM PDT
More beta testing a unworkable idea!

Microsoft should know by now that having people register to prove who they are doesn't work. 'No one' registerd drivers, 'no one' registers activex components, and if anyone did, would it help? Nope.

Why does Microsoft keep having us beta test their ideas and software, and try to charge us for it?
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Charge?
by KTLA_knew April 18, 2006 9:35 AM PDT
Einstein, MS is giving away money to suport an idea that is not tied to their technology at all.

You people are pathetic. I'm glad folks like you will have no meaningful impact on the world I'll be living in for the next decades. You post here over and over for no other reason than our amusement. However, you still don't have the style of ol' "Cut 'n Paste" Mettler!
Microsoft keep having us beta test their ideas
by Ipod Apple April 28, 2007 5:34 AM PDT
http://www.analogstereo.com/volvo_xc90_owners_manual.htm
spammers can use SenderID too
by Jackson Cracker April 18, 2006 5:43 PM PDT
So this isn't really an anti-spam technology
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spammers can use SenderID too
by Jackson Cracker April 18, 2006 5:43 PM PDT
So this isn't really an anti-spam technology
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Why MS should not be trusted with this;
by aabcdefghij987654321 April 18, 2006 5:54 PM PDT
Last I knew MS would not allow open source products free access to use the technology. In other words, pay to play.

All other MS products that have anything to do with Internet technologies, without fail open up users of said technology to an untold number security and privacy concerns. No other product in any category is perfect, but the issues concerning MS products outnumber all other products combined across the board in terms of numbers, impact and severity.

Last but certainly not least, since when does Microsoft care about you and me? I'm not a Microsoft hater, only looking at the facts and track record. Microsoft only does what is good for Microsoft, to obtain and/or maintain a monopoly at the expense of users/consumers. This issue is no exception.
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Why MS should not be trusted with this;
by aabcdefghij987654321 April 18, 2006 5:54 PM PDT
Last I knew MS would not allow open source products free access to use the technology. In other words, pay to play.

All other MS products that have anything to do with Internet technologies, without fail open up users of said technology to an untold number security and privacy concerns. No other product in any category is perfect, but the issues concerning MS products outnumber all other products combined across the board in terms of numbers, impact and severity.

Last but certainly not least, since when does Microsoft care about you and me? I'm not a Microsoft hater, only looking at the facts and track record. Microsoft only does what is good for Microsoft, to obtain and/or maintain a monopoly at the expense of users/consumers. This issue is no exception.
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Line of Responsibility
by sughyosha April 19, 2006 2:58 AM PDT
This problem has a real solution.

Every single IP address in the world is managed by members if ICANN.

ISP's in all the countries get their IP address blocks from ICANN authorised sources.

Thus - you cannot have a "Spam Source" that works outside the known chain of responsibility from ICANN to the local ISP.

The responsibility for controlling SPAM has to be that of ISP's. They are the ones who hand out the IP addresses that are used to send SPAM.

This is not a problem that can be solved by any company, even the mighty Microsoft. In fact, many suspect that Hotmail is the biggest harvester of email addresses that are used for spamming.

SPAM as another poster pointed out, accounts for a humongous waste of bandwidth. It can be controlled only through the concerted efforts of countries (who own the blocks of IP addresses) and ISP's who are allotted IP Address blocks within countries.

sughyosha
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Line of Responsibility
by sughyosha April 19, 2006 2:58 AM PDT
This problem has a real solution.

Every single IP address in the world is managed by members if ICANN.

ISP's in all the countries get their IP address blocks from ICANN authorised sources.

Thus - you cannot have a "Spam Source" that works outside the known chain of responsibility from ICANN to the local ISP.

The responsibility for controlling SPAM has to be that of ISP's. They are the ones who hand out the IP addresses that are used to send SPAM.

This is not a problem that can be solved by any company, even the mighty Microsoft. In fact, many suspect that Hotmail is the biggest harvester of email addresses that are used for spamming.

SPAM as another poster pointed out, accounts for a humongous waste of bandwidth. It can be controlled only through the concerted efforts of countries (who own the blocks of IP addresses) and ISP's who are allotted IP Address blocks within countries.

sughyosha
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