Comments on: When Intel calls, Skype listens

Making a conference call from a dual-core PC? You'll be able to dial in more people if it doesn't have AMD chips, Intel and Skype say.

[sixgod]

well i now know what not to by intel/skype

skype=ripoff, someone make an open source one and crush skype now, then some one smack intel. im suprised amd hasnt won their lawsuit yet.

[Trane Francks]

Skype = ripoff exactly how?

Spoken like somebody who has never actually used the product. I use Skype on Linux to make PC-to-PC and PC-to-phone (SkypeOut) calls on a regular basis. It works beautifully and has cut the cost of my calls considerably.

There's nothing ripoff about it, Mr. Open Source.

[sixgod]

well i now know what not to by intel/skype

skype=ripoff, someone make an open source one and crush skype now, then some one smack intel. im suprised amd hasnt won their lawsuit yet.

[Trane Francks]

Skype = ripoff exactly how?

Spoken like somebody who has never actually used the product. I use Skype on Linux to make PC-to-PC and PC-to-phone (SkypeOut) calls on a regular basis. It works beautifully and has cut the cost of my calls considerably.

There's nothing ripoff about it, Mr. Open Source.

[superdave132]

great way to alienate %60 of customers

while skype is pandering to intel, it's alienating some of it most devoted pc clients by not treating both platforms equally.

[csgraber]

Less then 20% of its customers

Intel sells 80-85% of the processors in the global pc market making 90% of its revenue. Amd, then, is somewhere between 20-0 (I don't know exactly) because it shares that bottom 20 with Cyrix, IBM, etc.

I would not argue that a "PC enthusisast" is more likely to buy AMD . . . BUT. . . 1) they are a small share of the market 2) they do not reflect corporate buying of pc(s).

[superdave132]

great way to alienate %60 of customers

while skype is pandering to intel, it's alienating some of it most devoted pc clients by not treating both platforms equally.

[csgraber]

Less then 20% of its customers

Intel sells 80-85% of the processors in the global pc market making 90% of its revenue. Amd, then, is somewhere between 20-0 (I don't know exactly) because it shares that bottom 20 with Cyrix, IBM, etc.

I would not argue that a "PC enthusisast" is more likely to buy AMD . . . BUT. . . 1) they are a small share of the market 2) they do not reflect corporate buying of pc(s).

[cubicleslave]

Did anyone notice the blatant AMD bias too?

cnet has done a huge disservice to their readers by their characterization of Intel. Yeah, Intel came up short in Tom's Hardware's benchmark, but that was a freakin' year ago! Helloooo!! there is a new product out, called Core Duo. It's not two CPU's slapped into one package like last year's stuff. It's two CPU's built on the same die, with a shared cache that trumps AMD's crossbar switch for inter-cpu communication. It is also a LAPTOP chip that almost holds its own, clock for clock, against AMD's DESKTOP chip! Just wait till the desktop version comes out. It'll blow away the competition, and that's probably why Skype picked Intel, and probably why Apple did too. Steve Jobs isn't exactly a dummy when it comes to computers! So let's quit living in the past. Core Duo (yonah) is the latest stuff, and it's actually pretty good, and there's more coming too

[cubicleslave]

Did anyone notice the blatant AMD bias too?

cnet has done a huge disservice to their readers by their characterization of Intel. Yeah, Intel came up short in Tom's Hardware's benchmark, but that was a freakin' year ago! Helloooo!! there is a new product out, called Core Duo. It's not two CPU's slapped into one package like last year's stuff. It's two CPU's built on the same die, with a shared cache that trumps AMD's crossbar switch for inter-cpu communication. It is also a LAPTOP chip that almost holds its own, clock for clock, against AMD's DESKTOP chip! Just wait till the desktop version comes out. It'll blow away the competition, and that's probably why Skype picked Intel, and probably why Apple did too. Steve Jobs isn't exactly a dummy when it comes to computers! So let's quit living in the past. Core Duo (yonah) is the latest stuff, and it's actually pretty good, and there's more coming too

[City_Of_LA]

If I ever had any doubt

I will NEVER as long as I live buy another Intel product. I would feel like I'm supporting a bunch of underhand crooks if I do so. I've already mailed Skype a stinging email.

Now if I can just find another company doing free internet voice calls.....

open source alternative to skype

http://www.gizmoproject.com/

many of skype's features, such as calls in/out from pstn (cheaper than skype out, i believe). built on SIP, integrated w/ google maps, etc.

[Stating]

You Can Use Any Number Of Other Chat Programs

If you want free VoIP then you can use Yahoo Chat, Google Talk, MSN, etc. But it is only free if it is ocmputer-to-computer. Skype isn't free unless it is computer-to-computer.


To make a free VoIP conference call with Yahoo Chat:

"How do I start a voice conference?

To start a voice conference:

Click the "Actions" menu in Yahoo! Messenger and select the "Invite to Conference" option.
Select friends or groups from the list and click the "Add" button.
Include an optional message.
Check the "Enable Voice Chat for this conference" option to enable the voice feature.
Finally click the "Invite" button to start the conference."

[City_Of_LA]

If I ever had any doubt

I will NEVER as long as I live buy another Intel product. I would feel like I'm supporting a bunch of underhand crooks if I do so. I've already mailed Skype a stinging email.

Now if I can just find another company doing free internet voice calls.....

open source alternative to skype

http://www.gizmoproject.com/

many of skype's features, such as calls in/out from pstn (cheaper than skype out, i believe). built on SIP, integrated w/ google maps, etc.

[Stating]

You Can Use Any Number Of Other Chat Programs

If you want free VoIP then you can use Yahoo Chat, Google Talk, MSN, etc. But it is only free if it is ocmputer-to-computer. Skype isn't free unless it is computer-to-computer.


To make a free VoIP conference call with Yahoo Chat:

"How do I start a voice conference?

To start a voice conference:

Click the "Actions" menu in Yahoo! Messenger and select the "Invite to Conference" option.
Select friends or groups from the list and click the "Add" button.
Include an optional message.
Check the "Enable Voice Chat for this conference" option to enable the voice feature.
Finally click the "Invite" button to start the conference."

[csgraber]

Great Marketing?

Lets say Intel pays for the optimization of software to support dual-core chips. They pay for the biggest and best software. . .Skype being the first. The only cavet is that these software upgrades have to be exclusive to Intel (and software probally will have nice DUAL CORE ready stickers too).

Sounds like smart marketing to me. I don't see anything wrong with it (AMD could pay companies as well, but they don't have as much cash on hand)

[X=0]

Agreed

But you have all these AMD zealots calling for boycotts and to
email Skype with threats, but it is AMD's lack of action that is the
reason for Skype working better with Intel than with AMD.
Zealots, wake up or **** you crybabies.

[csgraber]

Great Marketing?

Lets say Intel pays for the optimization of software to support dual-core chips. They pay for the biggest and best software. . .Skype being the first. The only cavet is that these software upgrades have to be exclusive to Intel (and software probally will have nice DUAL CORE ready stickers too).

Sounds like smart marketing to me. I don't see anything wrong with it (AMD could pay companies as well, but they don't have as much cash on hand)

[X=0]

Agreed

But you have all these AMD zealots calling for boycotts and to
email Skype with threats, but it is AMD's lack of action that is the
reason for Skype working better with Intel than with AMD.
Zealots, wake up or **** you crybabies.

[csgraber]

and so?

How many times did Intel sue AMD in the past? Let the jury decide. . .but just because you have enough money to file a lawsuit doesn't mean much to me.

If I had a comptetitor that consistnintly made 90% of the revenue in my market . . . I would sue them to :)

[csgraber]

and so?

How many times did Intel sue AMD in the past? Let the jury decide. . .but just because you have enough money to file a lawsuit doesn't mean much to me.

If I had a comptetitor that consistnintly made 90% of the revenue in my market . . . I would sue them to :)

[ALPICH]

Mac Intel Dual Core

What about Mac Skype? can we do 10 confrence call? We got the
dual core now!

[ALPICH]

Mac Intel Dual Core

What about Mac Skype? can we do 10 confrence call? We got the
dual core now!

[X=0]

Wow!

The AMD zealots are out in full force for this one. Who knew that
all these AMD zealots would need the capability to make a 10
person call that they are on this board calling for boycotts?

[X=0]

Wow!

The AMD zealots are out in full force for this one. Who knew that
all these AMD zealots would need the capability to make a 10
person call that they are on this board calling for boycotts?

[sharikou]

When will US FTC raid INTEL HQ?

http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/02/why-hasnt-us-ftc-raided-intel-yet.html

Japanese, Europeans had done it and uncovered a ton of criminal records, now Koreans have done it. Will US do it?

[csgraber]

Off point

1) This has nothing to do with Skype. Skype+Intel is pretty smoothe marketing, not anti-trust

2) You are misrepresenting the facts. Cnet.com news states "It was an unscheduled visit on Wednesday, but it took place during business hours. The KFTC officials wanted further information and documentation on Intel's business practices,"

So get your facts straight and don't believe everything you read on the internet.

[sharikou]

When will US FTC raid INTEL HQ?

http://sharikou.blogspot.com/2006/02/why-hasnt-us-ftc-raided-intel-yet.html

Japanese, Europeans had done it and uncovered a ton of criminal records, now Koreans have done it. Will US do it?

[csgraber]

Off point

1) This has nothing to do with Skype. Skype+Intel is pretty smoothe marketing, not anti-trust

2) You are misrepresenting the facts. Cnet.com news states "It was an unscheduled visit on Wednesday, but it took place during business hours. The KFTC officials wanted further information and documentation on Intel's business practices,"

So get your facts straight and don't believe everything you read on the internet.

[Stating]

So If I Am Google Or Yahoo

This move by Skype, even if initiated by Intel, is just plain stupid. Why alienate a large population of the PC market -- laptop and desktop. At this point Dell is just about the only computer manufacturer holdout that does not offer an AMD based model. Is this kind of behavior what we can expect from a company that is now owned by eBay? If I was a VoIP competitor like Google or Yahoo I would go partner with AMD to offer a similar fake performance bias and sucker punch Skype.

[csgraber]

AMD marketshare very small

Intel sells 80-85% of the processors in the global pc market making 90% of its revenue. Amd, then, is somewhere between 20-0 (I don't know exactly) because it shares that bottom 20 with Cyrix, IBM, etc.

I would not argue that a "PC enthusisast" is more likely to buy AMD . . . BUT. . . 1) they are a small share of the market 2) they do not reflect corporate buying of pc(s).

Companies like Microsoft may worry about a 10% hit on sales in a competitive market. A company like Adobe though may see Intel Marketing dollars and a Intel campagin well worth taking a small hit in units for the few users that 1)buy AMD 2) decide to take a stand

[Stating]

So If I Am Google Or Yahoo

This move by Skype, even if initiated by Intel, is just plain stupid. Why alienate a large population of the PC market -- laptop and desktop. At this point Dell is just about the only computer manufacturer holdout that does not offer an AMD based model. Is this kind of behavior what we can expect from a company that is now owned by eBay? If I was a VoIP competitor like Google or Yahoo I would go partner with AMD to offer a similar fake performance bias and sucker punch Skype.

[csgraber]

AMD marketshare very small

Intel sells 80-85% of the processors in the global pc market making 90% of its revenue. Amd, then, is somewhere between 20-0 (I don't know exactly) because it shares that bottom 20 with Cyrix, IBM, etc.

I would not argue that a "PC enthusisast" is more likely to buy AMD . . . BUT. . . 1) they are a small share of the market 2) they do not reflect corporate buying of pc(s).

Companies like Microsoft may worry about a 10% hit on sales in a competitive market. A company like Adobe though may see Intel Marketing dollars and a Intel campagin well worth taking a small hit in units for the few users that 1)buy AMD 2) decide to take a stand