Comments on: Wiretap rules for VoIP, broadband coming in 2007

FCC approves sweeping set of wiretapping rules for broadband and Net phone providers. But it's not clear what happens next.

[CNerd2025]

Terrorism?

Yes, Bush's Administration is making the most sense (as always.) As a way to DESTROY the US Economy, terrorists will use US VoIP providers. They communicated before VoIP, they will communicate after. And it doesn't seem to me like we're going in to Northern Ireland. I wish they would cut the "PC" crap and then we'd get some truth. They want to tap us for control. It's stupid and they shouldn't have that authority. Government derives its power from the consent of the Governed.

[Lolo Gecko]

gosh, that's terrible

:)

[CNerd2025]

Terrorism?

Yes, Bush's Administration is making the most sense (as always.) As a way to DESTROY the US Economy, terrorists will use US VoIP providers. They communicated before VoIP, they will communicate after. And it doesn't seem to me like we're going in to Northern Ireland. I wish they would cut the "PC" crap and then we'd get some truth. They want to tap us for control. It's stupid and they shouldn't have that authority. Government derives its power from the consent of the Governed.

[Lolo Gecko]

gosh, that's terrible

:)

You didnt think that you actually still lived in a free country, did you?

ALL PRIVATE ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS TAPPED BY 2007.

Actually, most of it already is.

And, yes, wiretap-ready, means effectively already wire-tapped. Well, Im ready to be monitored, tracked, controlled and dictated to... by whoever pulls the strings of Governemnt... for my own good.

Arent you?

[Ravin RoadKill]

For your own good???

Georgia -- Two vegans involved in a protest detected a person taking photographs, walked over and wrote down the license number of the photographer on a note. The photographer demanded the note and the vegans refused, and left the site. When they pulled into a convenience store they were apprehended by the photographer (who turned out to be a detective working for homeland security) and a marked police car. Again a demand for the note and again a refusal. That was followed by an arrest, (subsequently charges were dropped) Turned out that the detective didn't want his license plate number spread around. (Duh, don't get caught) Currently, the vegan couple have filed a lawsuit against all parties involve.

And you think this was all FOR THEIR OWN GOOD??? Too many authorities don't give a damn for the Constitution. DON'T TRUST THEM!!!

You didnt think that you actually still lived in a free country, did you?

ALL PRIVATE ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS TAPPED BY 2007.

Actually, most of it already is.

And, yes, wiretap-ready, means effectively already wire-tapped. Well, Im ready to be monitored, tracked, controlled and dictated to... by whoever pulls the strings of Governemnt... for my own good.

Arent you?

[Ravin RoadKill]

For your own good???

Georgia -- Two vegans involved in a protest detected a person taking photographs, walked over and wrote down the license number of the photographer on a note. The photographer demanded the note and the vegans refused, and left the site. When they pulled into a convenience store they were apprehended by the photographer (who turned out to be a detective working for homeland security) and a marked police car. Again a demand for the note and again a refusal. That was followed by an arrest, (subsequently charges were dropped) Turned out that the detective didn't want his license plate number spread around. (Duh, don't get caught) Currently, the vegan couple have filed a lawsuit against all parties involve.

And you think this was all FOR THEIR OWN GOOD??? Too many authorities don't give a damn for the Constitution. DON'T TRUST THEM!!!

Why doen't this suprize me?

I should just make it even easier for them. I'll walk in to the police station and give them the keys to may car, truck, home, file cabinet, safe all my passwords a transcript of al my internet and computer works and recorded phone conversations. Then pull my pants down to my knees bend over and say "please give it to me good!" *LOL*

Why doen't this suprize me?

I should just make it even easier for them. I'll walk in to the police station and give them the keys to may car, truck, home, file cabinet, safe all my passwords a transcript of al my internet and computer works and recorded phone conversations. Then pull my pants down to my knees bend over and say "please give it to me good!" *LOL*

Interesting thing about wiretaps...

IIRC, wiretaps are executed by simply by
accessing a switching system connected to an
internet addressable device. It seems to me that
I was reading that one big issue insiders had
with the system was that it was fundamentally an
open / unsecured system. Anyone with knowledge
about how to access it could wiretap from the
comfort of their own home.

I suppose that wouldn't be too much of a concern
if it weren't for the fact that there was the
growing suspicion that only a small fraction of
wiretaps were being performed by US law
enforcement and a disproportionate number were
coming from overseas...

It doesn't matter really. If you need a secure
communication channel, you can obtain one.
Wiretaps will catch simple criminals, not spies
or terrorists. Spies and terrorists have very
effective means of secure communication that
won't be impacted by any of this.

[jasonemanuelson1]

Exactly

I love how the government talks about terrorists as these
incredibly smart people, but instead they spend time going after
stuff that any kid over the age of ten can best. It is proof of how
ignorant some of them can be. Protecting America versus
turning our country into a dictatorship will be the downfall of
this country. Our government has become a textbook definition
of what the word over-reacting means. I cannot wait until they
tell little old ladies they cannot make quilts because they could
contain subversive or terrorist messages.

[rolandog]

Next thing to ban...

Probably they'll try banning tin cans and string... I hate the way the Gov. imposes the "It's for your own good" stuff. Is this Democracy? Or some sort of bureaucracy?!

Interesting thing about wiretaps...

IIRC, wiretaps are executed by simply by
accessing a switching system connected to an
internet addressable device. It seems to me that
I was reading that one big issue insiders had
with the system was that it was fundamentally an
open / unsecured system. Anyone with knowledge
about how to access it could wiretap from the
comfort of their own home.

I suppose that wouldn't be too much of a concern
if it weren't for the fact that there was the
growing suspicion that only a small fraction of
wiretaps were being performed by US law
enforcement and a disproportionate number were
coming from overseas...

It doesn't matter really. If you need a secure
communication channel, you can obtain one.
Wiretaps will catch simple criminals, not spies
or terrorists. Spies and terrorists have very
effective means of secure communication that
won't be impacted by any of this.

[jasonemanuelson1]

Exactly

I love how the government talks about terrorists as these
incredibly smart people, but instead they spend time going after
stuff that any kid over the age of ten can best. It is proof of how
ignorant some of them can be. Protecting America versus
turning our country into a dictatorship will be the downfall of
this country. Our government has become a textbook definition
of what the word over-reacting means. I cannot wait until they
tell little old ladies they cannot make quilts because they could
contain subversive or terrorist messages.

[rolandog]

Next thing to ban...

Probably they'll try banning tin cans and string... I hate the way the Gov. imposes the "It's for your own good" stuff. Is this Democracy? Or some sort of bureaucracy?!

[Stating]

Wiretapping For Dummies

Put FEMA in charge of wiretapping. They have shown us what a stellar job they are capable of doing. If we're lucky, we can get a horse judge to run the outfit. Oh, and here's a tip for the Federales. If your looking for terrorists, start with the mosques. Like the Mafia who hung out in Italian resturants and pizza joints, you are more likely to find them there than sitting in Starbucks communicating with Osama in his cave on the Afghan/Pakistani border, which BTW no one can seem to find. Maybe you can give the terrorists GPS while you are at it. Bureacratic numbskulls.

Wiretapping For Dummies

Hi Keith,
Great Idea. It seems the only thing the Federales are adept at is taking our constitutional rights away. FYI: Osama died in Dec. 2001 & Zarqawi is also dead. Whenever you hear their names & their subsequent "terror threats" or "beheadings, bombings, etc" rest assured they, themselves are hardly a threat, as they are as dead as dead can be. Just another "FEAR FACTOR" our gov't is so very good at producing.

[Stating]

Wiretapping For Dummies

Put FEMA in charge of wiretapping. They have shown us what a stellar job they are capable of doing. If we're lucky, we can get a horse judge to run the outfit. Oh, and here's a tip for the Federales. If your looking for terrorists, start with the mosques. Like the Mafia who hung out in Italian resturants and pizza joints, you are more likely to find them there than sitting in Starbucks communicating with Osama in his cave on the Afghan/Pakistani border, which BTW no one can seem to find. Maybe you can give the terrorists GPS while you are at it. Bureacratic numbskulls.

Wiretapping For Dummies

Hi Keith,
Great Idea. It seems the only thing the Federales are adept at is taking our constitutional rights away. FYI: Osama died in Dec. 2001 & Zarqawi is also dead. Whenever you hear their names & their subsequent "terror threats" or "beheadings, bombings, etc" rest assured they, themselves are hardly a threat, as they are as dead as dead can be. Just another "FEAR FACTOR" our gov't is so very good at producing.

[rolandog]

Getting nowhere fast...

The FBI is heading the wrong way. Instead of making sure (by spying in on people) that everyone behaves... there are better ways to make sure people will do 'the right thing'. If you educate everyone properly (teach them enough moral values) then, just then, people will start acting in a civilized way.

[rolandog]

Getting nowhere fast...

The FBI is heading the wrong way. Instead of making sure (by spying in on people) that everyone behaves... there are better ways to make sure people will do 'the right thing'. If you educate everyone properly (teach them enough moral values) then, just then, people will start acting in a civilized way.

[Stating]

VoIP Broadband

This FCC mandate is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt by the FCC, an Administrative Branch agency, to freely snoop on those they deem enemies, including Democrat political opponents.
The basic premise underlying the FCC action, that VoIP requires a broadband connection (>= 200kb) is just plain wrong. A bandwidth of 1/10 as much, or 20 kbps is more than adequate for VoIP or Internet chat. Not to mention the fact that one could simply create a VPN connection over a public network and encapsulate the voice and data stream using a proprietary protcol. There is no need to use a public VoIP provider to do VoIP if you are constantly communicating with the same people.

[Stating]

VoIP Broadband

This FCC mandate is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt by the FCC, an Administrative Branch agency, to freely snoop on those they deem enemies, including Democrat political opponents.
The basic premise underlying the FCC action, that VoIP requires a broadband connection (>= 200kb) is just plain wrong. A bandwidth of 1/10 as much, or 20 kbps is more than adequate for VoIP or Internet chat. Not to mention the fact that one could simply create a VPN connection over a public network and encapsulate the voice and data stream using a proprietary protcol. There is no need to use a public VoIP provider to do VoIP if you are constantly communicating with the same people.

Special device for listening to VOIP conversations

http://store1.yimg.com/I/yhst-50384103564030_1869_20192832

Locked in the air (FEMA wants your wep password), on the cable and in the transmission. I've tryed explaining what a certificate is and why you can't have it to some people but they will never learn.
What is secured? Alex.

[EdmundBurke]

How Easy Is It?

I have recently switched to Vonage, partly out of frustration with utter lack of customer service by the Southern Belle, and partly out of concern for security...I have a Public Corruption Research Company, and my phone has been messed with a number of times, both at the box, and at the "station".

So, what can I be aware of, to watch/listen for, regarding my Vonage Service? I am not worried about the feds, but local law enforcement in the Good Old Boy South, is very often puppet strung by the folks I am investigating.

Thanks

Special device for listening to VOIP conversations

http://store1.yimg.com/I/yhst-50384103564030_1869_20192832

Locked in the air (FEMA wants your wep password), on the cable and in the transmission. I've tryed explaining what a certificate is and why you can't have it to some people but they will never learn.
What is secured? Alex.

[EdmundBurke]

How Easy Is It?

I have recently switched to Vonage, partly out of frustration with utter lack of customer service by the Southern Belle, and partly out of concern for security...I have a Public Corruption Research Company, and my phone has been messed with a number of times, both at the box, and at the "station".

So, what can I be aware of, to watch/listen for, regarding my Vonage Service? I am not worried about the feds, but local law enforcement in the Good Old Boy South, is very often puppet strung by the folks I am investigating.

Thanks