Comments on: Spam: Made in Taiwan?

Junk e-mail rose in May, most of it served up from Taiwan--and the death of Blue Frog was a factor, CipherTrust says.

[firstlast]

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[nicmart]

Only one solution to spam

And that is one that makes some people hysterical: a fee for
each email message. The cost would be so low -- perhaps a
penny a message -- that it would be a very slight charge to
individuals, but that is enough to clobber slammers. Legit
businesses could negotiate their own deals. This SHOULD NOT
be administered by governments or it will serve simply as a tax.
It is likely to be a money saver as the need for mail filters will
lessen.

Some business, or cooperative effort, needs to be established to
implement this, perhaps one that can be offered to individuals
and businesses who volunteer to participate.

Sign me up!

[Flytrap]

Here is my twist to this

and most of the fee levied would go to the recipient of the email... This would ensure that people that just like to write a lot of email (think how much SMS and IM teenagers send these days), do not get unfairly penalised, and if you belong to a closed community, most of the fee would stay within that community.

This could also create an industry of people that want to receive as much spam as possible and opt into such options so as to collect as many pennys as possible.

[maxwis]

Tax Won't Work For Zombies

As the article states, the majority of spam email is sent out through compromised "zombie" computers. It is the owner of these computers who would pay an email tax, therefore it will not stop the spammers. Better ways to stop spam include pre-authorizing email senders and better spam filters. I can recognize a spam email in a second usually just be looking at the From or Subject line. If I can do this, a cluster of super computers should be able to do this too.

I will also repeat that email services like Yahoo let their customers down by not providing them a way to block emails at the country domain level. I don't know anyone in Taiwan, China, Koreas, Russia, France, etc. and I do not wish to receive ANY email coming from those domains. The ability to block those domains would cut my spam level by 80%. A recent example of this is a large number of emails I have received pumping penny stocks. I simply look at the email header and see that this spam is coming from France. If Yahoo provided the proper filtering, I would just block France emails entirely.

Example:

Subject: pay attention to the letter fcyi.pk for you to check
Growth stoccks that make your bottom line handsome
For Immediate Release
Allert Issued - Watch FC YI.PK Trade Today!
Fal con E nergy, Inc.

X-YahooFilteredBulk: 82.227.50.180
X-Originating-IP: [http://82.227.50.180|http://82.227.50.180]

inetnum: 82.227.50.0 - 82.227.51.255
netname: FR-PROXAD-ADSL
descr: Proxad / Free SAS
descr: Static pool (Freebox)
descr: desaix-1 (strasbourg_es)
descr: NCC#2003105812
country: FR

[gubbord]

Paying for email is idiotic and pointless

Not only couldn't you administer this except with legal users, but charging users a penny to send an email is a windfall to companies, makes casual emails prohibitive to users, but some bulk emailers could afford it still.

[hawkeyeaz1]

You forget

You forget that it is the zombie sending the spam--so the person who has the computer that will be paying, not the spammer. It will be just like those dialers that malware folks install on dcomputer to dial 900 numbers, and you get a bill for hundreds.

The answer to spam may be a new opensource project similar to Blue Security's Black Frog: http://wiki.okopipi.org/wiki/Main_Page

[clsgis]

if you pay, it's not email any more

Email works without postage because of the tacit assumption the recipient will welcome the message and be glad to pay his share of the cost of delivering it. Because there's no postage, there's no central postage authority. The public email system is completely decentralized. There's no place to wiretap it. (If you choose a crummy ISP who cooperates with the secret police, that's your fault.)

If there's a central authority, the email system becomes far more complex than it ever was, even more complex than today's filtering monstrosities. Because when you're paying, an email server becomes a banking system, with all the related security and accounting systems. Where there's money, there are thieves and you need safes and bullet proof glass and surveillance cameras.
People like me couldn't afford to run servers for our friends any more. You'd be taking the email system away from us, and handing it to a handful of giant corporations. No thanks. (And if you're already buying email service from a giant corporation, that's your choice and your fault.)

[clsgis]

hold the culpable corporations responsible

I trace and report a good fraction of my incoming spam every day. That is, the 5% or so that gets past my source blocking lists.
It comes from bots uniformly distributed worldwide.
The bots are *everywhere*. The bots are controlled through other bots, proxies. You can't trace it that way.

All of it except the stock pumping spam wants you
to go to the spammer's Web site or send mail to
the con artist's (more often than not *Yahoo*) email address.
If the public knew how little Yahoo is doing compared to what it *could* be doing,
Yahoo would be forced to clean up. And they
*could* do it. Mail.com (Outblaze) is bigger
than Yahoo Mail and they *don't* have a fraud
spammer infestation. All it would take would
be a journalist with a backbone to blow the whistle on Yahoo Inc's role in the Nigerian fraud industry.

Most of the spammer Web sites I traced today were
on one little segment of China Netcom. The
spammer is secure there because he knows cnc-noc.net won't do anything. And CNC won't do anything because the companies that connect it to the US, AT&T, Savvis, and Verizon, won't enforcetheir contract language that says China Netcom has to do something about criminal use.

Why won't Verizon and Savvis and AT&T do something?
Because journalists are a bunch of lapdogs.
They don't dare report the story where a big
famous consumer brand corporation is the bad guy.
AT&T knows nobody will ever blow the whistle
on their knowing collaboration with the criminals
who are destroying the public email system.
Verizon and Savvis know it. The journalists know it. Only John Q. Public is in the dark about where spam comes from and who could stop it and why they don't.

It's easier to write some junk about some company nobody ever heard of that's only peripherally involved in the fight, and stay out of the real culprits' way. And get ready to write the story about how the email system died. Just don't name any names.