Comments on: FBI turns to broad new wiretap method

FBI's Internet wiretaps after retiring "Carnivore" appear to involve compiling massive databases of information on thousands of users at a time.

[extrassential]

Control the masses..

mmmm... Control the internet... so that you can control the population...

Not surpised that this is happening, and it is a wonderful means to have control over all aspects of life...

[extrassential]

Control the masses..

mmmm... Control the internet... so that you can control the population...

Not surpised that this is happening, and it is a wonderful means to have control over all aspects of life...

[Mr. Network]

For all of you that are surprised or rattled.

You should have known that if it's connected to the internet you should assume that anything on it or communicated to/from it will scanned and recorded.

Only a few steps before the government subjects the population to an UFIA.

~Mr. Network

[Mr. Network]

For all of you that are surprised or rattled.

You should have known that if it's connected to the internet you should assume that anything on it or communicated to/from it will scanned and recorded.

Only a few steps before the government subjects the population to an UFIA.

~Mr. Network

[kobe wild]

Spy here and there.

How can they monitor all this stuff you ask?
It?s the fed?s they get lots of free money so they can afford to build large and
Fast search systems.

Just start off by doing a keywords search that's easy.
Now after you found keywords you then can perform a contextual search.

Where by reading the entire content of a message where the keyword came from you can see if the message is evil or good.

You can even buy this type of software yourself; this is just one of the many companies that sell this type of software.
http://www.zyn.com/flcfw/fwtproj/perilog-ames.html
Than way automatically you can with a computer tell the difference between.

Let?s say your message software is scanning in the gigs of messages and it sees.
The keyword, ?bomb? it tags that message stuff it in different database for more research.

Now completely under computer controls it looks at the messages in this detail search database.

The contextual search then reads this database and sees.

Message 1) from: [e-mail]
Jan 10, 2007 10.00 am
From Ip 532.234.356
Traceroute information:
Body of message;

This party was a bomb.

End of message

Message 2) from: [e-mail]
Jan 11, 2007 1:00 pm
From ip. 764.434.643
Trace route information:
Body of message;

After the party starts we detonate the bomb.

End of message:

Which message is more evil? The software can tell.

[itango]

And of course, all terrorists are stupid, and

they leave messages such as "we will detonate the bomb at 11:00 hours". Right. Don't you think that they are smart enough to speak in code, so that even if their messages are intercepted, no-one will be able to report on them and/or foil their plots?

And if the above is true, then why the h_ll does the FBI need such intrusive methods to spy on all our e-mail traffic (mostly from innocent citizens), since a more likely terrorist message would be, "tell Mom that I will pick her up at 11:00 pm?" which, of course, would likely not alert anyone?

[kobe wild]

Spy here and there.

How can they monitor all this stuff you ask?
It?s the fed?s they get lots of free money so they can afford to build large and
Fast search systems.

Just start off by doing a keywords search that's easy.
Now after you found keywords you then can perform a contextual search.

Where by reading the entire content of a message where the keyword came from you can see if the message is evil or good.

You can even buy this type of software yourself; this is just one of the many companies that sell this type of software.
http://www.zyn.com/flcfw/fwtproj/perilog-ames.html
Than way automatically you can with a computer tell the difference between.

Let?s say your message software is scanning in the gigs of messages and it sees.
The keyword, ?bomb? it tags that message stuff it in different database for more research.

Now completely under computer controls it looks at the messages in this detail search database.

The contextual search then reads this database and sees.

Message 1) from: [e-mail]
Jan 10, 2007 10.00 am
From Ip 532.234.356
Traceroute information:
Body of message;

This party was a bomb.

End of message

Message 2) from: [e-mail]
Jan 11, 2007 1:00 pm
From ip. 764.434.643
Trace route information:
Body of message;

After the party starts we detonate the bomb.

End of message:

Which message is more evil? The software can tell.

[itango]

And of course, all terrorists are stupid, and

they leave messages such as "we will detonate the bomb at 11:00 hours". Right. Don't you think that they are smart enough to speak in code, so that even if their messages are intercepted, no-one will be able to report on them and/or foil their plots?

And if the above is true, then why the h_ll does the FBI need such intrusive methods to spy on all our e-mail traffic (mostly from innocent citizens), since a more likely terrorist message would be, "tell Mom that I will pick her up at 11:00 pm?" which, of course, would likely not alert anyone?

[SiXiam]

FAILED DATA-BASE...!!!

Last article I read on the subject, was that they invested millions on a database like this that the fbi and cia could use, but it failed and they lost a lot of money...

[SiXiam]

FAILED DATA-BASE...!!!

Last article I read on the subject, was that they invested millions on a database like this that the fbi and cia could use, but it failed and they lost a lot of money...

[MD525]

Monitoring every online action...

I know that since the Patriot act the right to privacy has been fairly eroded, and the mentality of "if you did nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" has prevailed. Yet I still am stunned to see actions like this taken. Yesterday, there was a story about cyber threats from the FBI and I rallied behind that cause. However, I don't think that we should be throwing rights out the window for potential improved security measure. Just think about every personal email you ever send being stored on a database somewhere. Whether you are witting home to tell the wive and kids I love you, or sending accountant your financial details. I expanded my thoughts on my blog http://www.iwantmyess.com/ if you want to read more.
Michael

[MD525]

Monitoring every online action...

I know that since the Patriot act the right to privacy has been fairly eroded, and the mentality of "if you did nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" has prevailed. Yet I still am stunned to see actions like this taken. Yesterday, there was a story about cyber threats from the FBI and I rallied behind that cause. However, I don't think that we should be throwing rights out the window for potential improved security measure. Just think about every personal email you ever send being stored on a database somewhere. Whether you are witting home to tell the wive and kids I love you, or sending accountant your financial details. I expanded my thoughts on my blog http://www.iwantmyess.com/ if you want to read more.
Michael

[Ragingdemo]

Internet Or Fed Toilet Bowl ?

How many Americans already feel it or know that the Internet has been and will continue to be Abused Misused and just Out an Out Sodomized by the very Agencies & Government Who outwardly portray themselves As the Worlds "Human Rights" Watch Dogs When the Reality is oh so much more Dangerous. Can you recall what President said When a Government fears it's people you have a Democracy but when the People Fear there Government you have a True Dicatorship. Stand up and look inside, what Do you feel? Do you really think the Patriot Act was tossed together almost overnight because Of some "Crazed Suicide Bombers" NO-WAY! So today out of the blue WE THE PEOPLE are being given notice that " Our Law Enforcement Ossifers" have a "NEW WAY" Of gathering Evidence ? Listen Folks For those of you who fail to grasp the REALITYS of what these Bastards are up to Try this on For size. YOUR TAX DOLLARS Are Being used to Research New Technologys for the Military and Law enforcement So they Can Actually sit above your home and Listen to your everyword phone call Key stroke you name it And they don't have to leave the Office Or rather the Basement which is no doubt where there Covert Crap is taking place. But think folks Your Dollars Being used to Create Super Huge Vast Amounts of wealth for the Pro- Military hardware Pals and there close friends the PetroBoys who incase you haven't noticed have already Made yr in and yr out HISTORY MAKING MEGA BILLINS IN PROFITS ! Now how many of you nice people think the Top CEOs down at Citgo Or Texaco Really Need to purchase that Other Inland Paradise ? Or do they really Need that 7th Gulfstream G5 ? Could you imagine being so Filthy Freckin Rich that you Sent your Daughter to Argentina So she could purchase her very Own 98 Thousand Acre Ranch right Next door from Old Tricky ***** who's driveway which is directly across the Runway from Ole G.W.Bush and his Private Jetway And now they have a room full of TechNo Geeks Designing Software that can toss your computer upside down without turning it on AND THEY DO IT EACH AND EVERY DAY while your asleep or up watching the WE WILL TELL YOU WHAT TO SEE nightly Corporate News . Oh Yes People you are without even trying being flipped and Dicked.

[Ragingdemo]

Internet Or Fed Toilet Bowl ?

How many Americans already feel it or know that the Internet has been and will continue to be Abused Misused and just Out an Out Sodomized by the very Agencies & Government Who outwardly portray themselves As the Worlds "Human Rights" Watch Dogs When the Reality is oh so much more Dangerous. Can you recall what President said When a Government fears it's people you have a Democracy but when the People Fear there Government you have a True Dicatorship. Stand up and look inside, what Do you feel? Do you really think the Patriot Act was tossed together almost overnight because Of some "Crazed Suicide Bombers" NO-WAY! So today out of the blue WE THE PEOPLE are being given notice that " Our Law Enforcement Ossifers" have a "NEW WAY" Of gathering Evidence ? Listen Folks For those of you who fail to grasp the REALITYS of what these Bastards are up to Try this on For size. YOUR TAX DOLLARS Are Being used to Research New Technologys for the Military and Law enforcement So they Can Actually sit above your home and Listen to your everyword phone call Key stroke you name it And they don't have to leave the Office Or rather the Basement which is no doubt where there Covert Crap is taking place. But think folks Your Dollars Being used to Create Super Huge Vast Amounts of wealth for the Pro- Military hardware Pals and there close friends the PetroBoys who incase you haven't noticed have already Made yr in and yr out HISTORY MAKING MEGA BILLINS IN PROFITS ! Now how many of you nice people think the Top CEOs down at Citgo Or Texaco Really Need to purchase that Other Inland Paradise ? Or do they really Need that 7th Gulfstream G5 ? Could you imagine being so Filthy Freckin Rich that you Sent your Daughter to Argentina So she could purchase her very Own 98 Thousand Acre Ranch right Next door from Old Tricky ***** who's driveway which is directly across the Runway from Ole G.W.Bush and his Private Jetway And now they have a room full of TechNo Geeks Designing Software that can toss your computer upside down without turning it on AND THEY DO IT EACH AND EVERY DAY while your asleep or up watching the WE WILL TELL YOU WHAT TO SEE nightly Corporate News . Oh Yes People you are without even trying being flipped and Dicked.

[stevefoley]

Perhaps we'll need a secure email service now

I guess we're gonna be needing something more secure for email that runs on SSL? e.g. http://www.rlemail.com

[rcrusoe]

If you want secure email . . .

http://www.gnupg.org

[stevefoley]

Perhaps we'll need a secure email service now

I guess we're gonna be needing something more secure for email that runs on SSL? e.g. http://www.rlemail.com

[rcrusoe]

If you want secure email . . .

http://www.gnupg.org

[djp123zzz]

FBI just doing thier job, I think.

I think that it's OK for such a broad-brush
approach for safeguarding opportunities to
perform their jobs. My ONLY possible gripe
might be if a function of the programming
causes the waste of my time or the use of
my computer's functions in any way. In a
case like that, then whichever controlling
party, (not at all just our security agencies),
but, perhaps we ought to be concerned about the
ways that big business can cause us to loose the
use of computer functions or residual printer
cartridge ink (if, for example, we are not buying
enough ink cartridges to offset the losses in the
sale of the printer if that were the case).
I feel that the folks in our security agencies
are really as ethical as can be. They do not at
all have anything to gain by not being as ethical
as can be. The frustrations which I sometimes
have, instead, are always with large firms which
change the way that my computer or printer works.
These changes are NOT seamless, and are very very
disruptive in my offices.
Thank you for considering my email.
Dan.

[qwerty75]

Doing their job?

Since when is it the job of the FBI or any government agency to disregard the constitution and bill of rights and spy on everyone?

Just another step down the path to dictatorship.

[David Arbogast]

Of course they are

The FBI is doing what the FBI does. The article clearly states that they need a warrant, so this is clearly NOT spying, and obviously NOT blanket survelance. If the data-retention laws currently up for debate are passed, then as the article implies, the FBI would have no reason for this approach, because they'll be able to collect data on JUST the person they have a court order to watch.

What I find REALLY odd, is that all of the people out here whining and complaining have essentially signed an agreement to let their ISP store and monitor any of their traffic. But when the FBI, working in our intereste, gets a court order(check/balance for our interests) to obtain data for an investigation, people suddenly become paranoid and accuse the government of being abusive.

The anti-government comments here really make zero sense. Basically, people are saying... "I trust all my data to my ISP and whomever they choose to hire." While at the same time they seem to be saying "I don't trust my data to the FBI, who is working to protect me, even after a court reviews their request and agrees that it doesn't violate my rights or present unnecessary harm."

Some people really have this situation layed out completely backwards. It is your ISP you should be frightened of. They'll hire ANYBODY. Consider how many hackers would find it adventageous to work for an ISP. ISPs don't need court orders to research your activities. You've thrown all your information into the hands of the unknown, while you sit around and complain that national defense and crime fighting efforts using the same information are abusive. When will people grow up?

[hanglow1956]

Don't know what you are talking about

I can't believe your comments. You think the folks in security agencies are being ethical? If they were doing that what the hell do they need such broad brush approach to checking emails for anyway? I am really glad I am not an American citizan right now. You are losing your freedoms by and far, much quicker than most of you realize. Your government is prying into email, and taking a lot of what people write out of context. For instanse. I might say, "I wish someone would kill G.W." I really don't mean this, I'm just pissed at what he and some of his cohorts are doing in government. But I also might say, "Someone should plant a damn bomb in the Whitehouse" This comment will get the governments attention, yet I'm just being an ******* by saying this. I understand the need for security, but come on now. This is really infringing on rights of free speech.
Now after saying this, I am sure the Canadian government has a very similar approach, but we just don't hear about it. One thing I can say about you Americans, is that eventually you do get the news,something I can't say we Canadians get. Thank you for allowing me to voice my opinion.

[djp123zzz]

FBI just doing thier job, I think.

I think that it's OK for such a broad-brush
approach for safeguarding opportunities to
perform their jobs. My ONLY possible gripe
might be if a function of the programming
causes the waste of my time or the use of
my computer's functions in any way. In a
case like that, then whichever controlling
party, (not at all just our security agencies),
but, perhaps we ought to be concerned about the
ways that big business can cause us to loose the
use of computer functions or residual printer
cartridge ink (if, for example, we are not buying
enough ink cartridges to offset the losses in the
sale of the printer if that were the case).
I feel that the folks in our security agencies
are really as ethical as can be. They do not at
all have anything to gain by not being as ethical
as can be. The frustrations which I sometimes
have, instead, are always with large firms which
change the way that my computer or printer works.
These changes are NOT seamless, and are very very
disruptive in my offices.
Thank you for considering my email.
Dan.

[qwerty75]

Doing their job?

Since when is it the job of the FBI or any government agency to disregard the constitution and bill of rights and spy on everyone?

Just another step down the path to dictatorship.

[David Arbogast]

Of course they are

The FBI is doing what the FBI does. The article clearly states that they need a warrant, so this is clearly NOT spying, and obviously NOT blanket survelance. If the data-retention laws currently up for debate are passed, then as the article implies, the FBI would have no reason for this approach, because they'll be able to collect data on JUST the person they have a court order to watch.

What I find REALLY odd, is that all of the people out here whining and complaining have essentially signed an agreement to let their ISP store and monitor any of their traffic. But when the FBI, working in our intereste, gets a court order(check/balance for our interests) to obtain data for an investigation, people suddenly become paranoid and accuse the government of being abusive.

The anti-government comments here really make zero sense. Basically, people are saying... "I trust all my data to my ISP and whomever they choose to hire." While at the same time they seem to be saying "I don't trust my data to the FBI, who is working to protect me, even after a court reviews their request and agrees that it doesn't violate my rights or present unnecessary harm."

Some people really have this situation layed out completely backwards. It is your ISP you should be frightened of. They'll hire ANYBODY. Consider how many hackers would find it adventageous to work for an ISP. ISPs don't need court orders to research your activities. You've thrown all your information into the hands of the unknown, while you sit around and complain that national defense and crime fighting efforts using the same information are abusive. When will people grow up?

[hanglow1956]

Don't know what you are talking about

I can't believe your comments. You think the folks in security agencies are being ethical? If they were doing that what the hell do they need such broad brush approach to checking emails for anyway? I am really glad I am not an American citizan right now. You are losing your freedoms by and far, much quicker than most of you realize. Your government is prying into email, and taking a lot of what people write out of context. For instanse. I might say, "I wish someone would kill G.W." I really don't mean this, I'm just pissed at what he and some of his cohorts are doing in government. But I also might say, "Someone should plant a damn bomb in the Whitehouse" This comment will get the governments attention, yet I'm just being an ******* by saying this. I understand the need for security, but come on now. This is really infringing on rights of free speech.
Now after saying this, I am sure the Canadian government has a very similar approach, but we just don't hear about it. One thing I can say about you Americans, is that eventually you do get the news,something I can't say we Canadians get. Thank you for allowing me to voice my opinion.

[flashfast]

Failure Becomes Institutionlized

The FBI is the culture of failure.

[flashfast]

Failure Becomes Institutionlized

The FBI is the culture of failure.

[RobinSzcz]

FBI MONITORING

Whether this is all for the good, or bad, only time will tell. I can say that, for any that have been paying attention, the Administration has spent the last six years moving towards a totalitarian regime. The Iraq War, many believe, was for the sole purpose of increasing the President's powers as a War-Time President. They say it didn't matter who we went to war with but a war was the only way for him to utilize powers reserved for war-time. Since then the Administration has done everything possible to move towards a dictatorial form of government. They have knowledge of every gun in America, every National Guard is now in their control (instead of the State's), they have put their people in place in the DHS, Supreme Court, and Attorney General's Office (to name a few). It will take a long time to figure out if this is a good or bad thing. One thing is undeniable, though, and that is that this Administration, one way or another, will not step out of office in 2008. They are only just beginning. It is more than a little scary because it brings to mind governments which have monitored, through fear, the communications of their citizens; Communist Russia, China, Iraq, and Cuba (to name a few). There is a saying that states that Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. It is a difficult task for a person to assume complete power over a nation (where 2/3 of the people don't like him) and make it work. It would take a horrendous act to give him the total control and to that end I am horrified at the possibilities they might employ to not only stay in office, but to eliminate those who might stop them.
With this new revelation we all need to remember that America is a land OF THE PEOPLE, and if we allow fear to control us we will, in fact, be putting our Democracy away forever.
We must stand up for our rights or we will no longer have any.
Robin Szczepaniak

[b_baggins]

Well, apparently

he isn't doing a very good job of making himself dictator of the
United States considering the Democrats now have control of both
the house and senate.

But then again, fools will be fools. Let me give you a tip. Go spend
a month in a country that really is a totalitarian regime. If you
survive, you may gain some wisdom.

[RobinSzcz]

FBI MONITORING

Whether this is all for the good, or bad, only time will tell. I can say that, for any that have been paying attention, the Administration has spent the last six years moving towards a totalitarian regime. The Iraq War, many believe, was for the sole purpose of increasing the President's powers as a War-Time President. They say it didn't matter who we went to war with but a war was the only way for him to utilize powers reserved for war-time. Since then the Administration has done everything possible to move towards a dictatorial form of government. They have knowledge of every gun in America, every National Guard is now in their control (instead of the State's), they have put their people in place in the DHS, Supreme Court, and Attorney General's Office (to name a few). It will take a long time to figure out if this is a good or bad thing. One thing is undeniable, though, and that is that this Administration, one way or another, will not step out of office in 2008. They are only just beginning. It is more than a little scary because it brings to mind governments which have monitored, through fear, the communications of their citizens; Communist Russia, China, Iraq, and Cuba (to name a few). There is a saying that states that Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. It is a difficult task for a person to assume complete power over a nation (where 2/3 of the people don't like him) and make it work. It would take a horrendous act to give him the total control and to that end I am horrified at the possibilities they might employ to not only stay in office, but to eliminate those who might stop them.
With this new revelation we all need to remember that America is a land OF THE PEOPLE, and if we allow fear to control us we will, in fact, be putting our Democracy away forever.
We must stand up for our rights or we will no longer have any.
Robin Szczepaniak

[b_baggins]

Well, apparently

he isn't doing a very good job of making himself dictator of the
United States considering the Democrats now have control of both
the house and senate.

But then again, fools will be fools. Let me give you a tip. Go spend
a month in a country that really is a totalitarian regime. If you
survive, you may gain some wisdom.