Left Maine because of the cold, will have to see what Fl will do on this. I will say this.. I'd rather suffer in zero degree weather than have a national ID that the homeland security will use to intimidate me. Really bothers me when I hear fellow citizens speak of homeland security with a bit of fear in their voice, maybe they should get it over with and get the SS shoulder patch. oh oh better not talk like that might get sent to Cuba.... Seriously, an all powerful group is a bad thing, it's what lead to WW2.
Left Maine because of the cold, will have to see what Fl will do on this. I will say this.. I'd rather suffer in zero degree weather than have a national ID that the homeland security will use to intimidate me. Really bothers me when I hear fellow citizens speak of homeland security with a bit of fear in their voice, maybe they should get it over with and get the SS shoulder patch. oh oh better not talk like that might get sent to Cuba.... Seriously, an all powerful group is a bad thing, it's what lead to WW2.
What if it was left to choice... I have to travel for work and would welcome some sort of id that reflects the fact I have been through numerous security and background checks.
I agree with the other comments regarding the "Papers Please" mentality of our current gestapo...
What if it was left to choice... I have to travel for work and would welcome some sort of id that reflects the fact I have been through numerous security and background checks.
I agree with the other comments regarding the "Papers Please" mentality of our current gestapo...
States objected at first for that simple reason. It was the federal level running the State program of license Department and ID cards. The seperation of Federal and State is being violated by this program. Mind you ALL states are interlinked. All databases (government,only they say) are interlinked so they can pull up records on John Doe when he gets pulled over for speeding. They know he lives at 123 Main Street in Any Town USA, lived off School Street before; Now they have his Video rentals, see he likes to rent adult movies, look up his magazine's he orders, and have his flight records as well.
I don't see that too har out of grasp for the No Such Agency boys who are very apt to abuse this feature to "keep this country safe" as they claim the J edgar hoover wire taps they still do today are a safety method.
States objected at first for that simple reason. It was the federal level running the State program of license Department and ID cards. The seperation of Federal and State is being violated by this program. Mind you ALL states are interlinked. All databases (government,only they say) are interlinked so they can pull up records on John Doe when he gets pulled over for speeding. They know he lives at 123 Main Street in Any Town USA, lived off School Street before; Now they have his Video rentals, see he likes to rent adult movies, look up his magazine's he orders, and have his flight records as well.
I don't see that too har out of grasp for the No Such Agency boys who are very apt to abuse this feature to "keep this country safe" as they claim the J edgar hoover wire taps they still do today are a safety method.
Start with PREVENTING the so called terrorist from ENTERING the good ol USofA. Then we don't have to be concerned with the INNER workings of It's Citizens.
-'See Dick hide? See how well Dick hides. That's because Dick hides behind the BUSH!'
I think it B.S. that the fed's pass a law requiring a digital id. I live in texas and I recently got my texas driver license sqitched from vt. It was a pain to get it switched because they want a valid photo id, social security card and one other piecce of id. that is texas other states have there own requirements, but my point is the fed's should stop trying to run the states.
Also if they want us to get digital id's then the fed's should pay for it not us decent hard working americans. everyone does not make billions of dollars a year like BILL GATES.
Start with PREVENTING the so called terrorist from ENTERING the good ol USofA. Then we don't have to be concerned with the INNER workings of It's Citizens.
-'See Dick hide? See how well Dick hides. That's because Dick hides behind the BUSH!'
I think it B.S. that the fed's pass a law requiring a digital id. I live in texas and I recently got my texas driver license sqitched from vt. It was a pain to get it switched because they want a valid photo id, social security card and one other piecce of id. that is texas other states have there own requirements, but my point is the fed's should stop trying to run the states.
Also if they want us to get digital id's then the fed's should pay for it not us decent hard working americans. everyone does not make billions of dollars a year like BILL GATES.
I don't see a problem with verifying that you are who you say you are before getting a drivers license. Makes common sense to me.
Common standards to a drivers license makes sense (the drivers license is already the defacto "National ID"). State's change their DL license designs regularly (PA has changed design each time I've renewed for the last 15-20 years). To have a single, coherent layout and appearance between states only makes sense. The cop in New Jersey doesn't have to know what a New Mexico license looks like or whether it's a fake -- they should all be similar, identifiable and with the same "anti counterfeit" measures.
It wouldn't even have to cost a significant amount of $$ to implement the above. Have the feds give their design/layout template to the state and when a person goes to renew, they get the new layout instead of the old layout.
However -- RFID chip, bad, horrible, terrifying idea. Whether it's an DL, passport or credit card (the last two are already in use), I can see identity theft running rampant. People can already "clone" a cell phone or hack your PDA if you get too close to them -- how much longer before they are hacking RFID chips? (if they aren't already)
However, a machine readable card that only contains the same personal information that is already printed on the front of the card (ie., name, address, license number, etc) -- I don't see the issue. This is the same thing that is already on your credit/debit card. The info is already there, we're only complaining about the format (alphabet vs barcode vs magnetic strip).
However, the idea that every corner store can swipe the card and a shared national database of what/where/when you do something is created -- that is patently offensive. The card reader should only be available to airport security, customs, police, etc. And then, only to verify that the printed information on the front hasn't been tampered with and/or only to speed up processing (ie., rather than manually copying information from the front -- like if you get a speeding ticket)
No bars, video rentals, banks, hotels, etc., etc. No commercial use of the card reading technology at all.
I don't see a problem with verifying that you are who you say you are before getting a drivers license. Makes common sense to me.
Common standards to a drivers license makes sense (the drivers license is already the defacto "National ID"). State's change their DL license designs regularly (PA has changed design each time I've renewed for the last 15-20 years). To have a single, coherent layout and appearance between states only makes sense. The cop in New Jersey doesn't have to know what a New Mexico license looks like or whether it's a fake -- they should all be similar, identifiable and with the same "anti counterfeit" measures.
It wouldn't even have to cost a significant amount of $$ to implement the above. Have the feds give their design/layout template to the state and when a person goes to renew, they get the new layout instead of the old layout.
However -- RFID chip, bad, horrible, terrifying idea. Whether it's an DL, passport or credit card (the last two are already in use), I can see identity theft running rampant. People can already "clone" a cell phone or hack your PDA if you get too close to them -- how much longer before they are hacking RFID chips? (if they aren't already)
However, a machine readable card that only contains the same personal information that is already printed on the front of the card (ie., name, address, license number, etc) -- I don't see the issue. This is the same thing that is already on your credit/debit card. The info is already there, we're only complaining about the format (alphabet vs barcode vs magnetic strip).
However, the idea that every corner store can swipe the card and a shared national database of what/where/when you do something is created -- that is patently offensive. The card reader should only be available to airport security, customs, police, etc. And then, only to verify that the printed information on the front hasn't been tampered with and/or only to speed up processing (ie., rather than manually copying information from the front -- like if you get a speeding ticket)
No bars, video rentals, banks, hotels, etc., etc. No commercial use of the card reading technology at all.
I have read all the comments. I am NOT a conspiracy theorist (except about the 'grassy knol". I have a few comments of my own:
After spending 14 years (1972-1986) in Law Enforcement, I can state with certainty that the ideas are RARELY really bad. The implementation is where we run into foul territory.
I don't object to a National ID. I object to a national ID that incorporates an RFID that can be read without your knowledge (speedpass, hotel key cards. etc)
Since I am a law-abiding citizen with police training, I know not to violate the laws of our country. (I do drive faster than I should sometimes, so I'm not perfect)
I would therefore, object to having someone able to tell where I was, without me knowing they were shadowing me. That is a violation of my 4th amendment rights, and possibly my 5th amendment rights as well.
Forcing me to have these technologies applied without my knowledge or approval annoys me. In reality, it is not the technology that concerns me, it is the power-hungry individuals who MIGHT misuse the technology, WITHOUT fear of reprisal, that I disrespect.
We live in different times than when I served and protected. Law Enforcement needs different tools today, because the threats and the players are different. As Juvenal wrote "Who Watches the Watchers?".
It is the watchers, empowered and shameless that I fear -- perhaps more than the terrorists.
I will continue to observe and protect, even without a badge -- but I'm not ready to be tracked, the tracking capabilities misused to turn me into a criminal. Not me, not my friends, not my neighbors. Freedom isn't free, but then, government misuse of technology isn't their freedom, their right, either.
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Run state run.
see feds punish state.
See state enact REAL_ID.
Good state good.
I always thought that New Hampshire would have been the first too..
Run state run.
see feds punish state.
See state enact REAL_ID.
Good state good.
I always thought that New Hampshire would have been the first too..
No more RFID.
"Gee.. I must have droped my card.."
No more RFID.
"Gee.. I must have droped my card.."
welcome some sort of id that reflects the fact I have been through
numerous security and background checks.
I agree with the other comments regarding the "Papers Please"
mentality of our current gestapo...
welcome some sort of id that reflects the fact I have been through
numerous security and background checks.
I agree with the other comments regarding the "Papers Please"
mentality of our current gestapo...
level running the State program of license Department and ID
cards. The seperation of Federal and State is being violated by
this program. Mind you ALL states are interlinked. All
databases (government,only they say) are interlinked so they can
pull up records on John Doe when he gets pulled over for
speeding. They know he lives at 123 Main Street in Any Town
USA, lived off School Street before; Now they have his Video
rentals, see he likes to rent adult movies, look up his magazine's
he orders, and have his flight records as well.
I don't see that too har out of grasp for the No Such Agency boys
who are very apt to abuse this feature to "keep this country safe"
as they claim the J edgar hoover wire taps they still do today are
a safety method.
level running the State program of license Department and ID
cards. The seperation of Federal and State is being violated by
this program. Mind you ALL states are interlinked. All
databases (government,only they say) are interlinked so they can
pull up records on John Doe when he gets pulled over for
speeding. They know he lives at 123 Main Street in Any Town
USA, lived off School Street before; Now they have his Video
rentals, see he likes to rent adult movies, look up his magazine's
he orders, and have his flight records as well.
I don't see that too har out of grasp for the No Such Agency boys
who are very apt to abuse this feature to "keep this country safe"
as they claim the J edgar hoover wire taps they still do today are
a safety method.
good ol USofA. Then we don't have to be concerned with the INNER
workings of It's Citizens.
-'See Dick hide? See how well Dick hides. That's because Dick hides
behind the BUSH!'
Also if they want us to get digital id's then the fed's should pay for it not us decent hard working americans. everyone does not make billions of dollars a year like BILL GATES.
good ol USofA. Then we don't have to be concerned with the INNER
workings of It's Citizens.
-'See Dick hide? See how well Dick hides. That's because Dick hides
behind the BUSH!'
Also if they want us to get digital id's then the fed's should pay for it not us decent hard working americans. everyone does not make billions of dollars a year like BILL GATES.
Walt
Walt
I don't see a problem with verifying that you are who you say you are before getting a drivers license. Makes common sense to me.
Common standards to a drivers license makes sense (the drivers license is already the defacto "National ID"). State's change their DL license designs regularly (PA has changed design each time I've renewed for the last 15-20 years). To have a single, coherent layout and appearance between states only makes sense. The cop in New Jersey doesn't have to know what a New Mexico license looks like or whether it's a fake -- they should all be similar, identifiable and with the same "anti counterfeit" measures.
It wouldn't even have to cost a significant amount of $$ to implement the above. Have the feds give their design/layout template to the state and when a person goes to renew, they get the new layout instead of the old layout.
However -- RFID chip, bad, horrible, terrifying idea. Whether it's an DL, passport or credit card (the last two are already in use), I can see identity theft running rampant. People can already "clone" a cell phone or hack your PDA if you get too close to them -- how much longer before they are hacking RFID chips? (if they aren't already)
However, a machine readable card that only contains the same personal information that is already printed on the front of the card (ie., name, address, license number, etc) -- I don't see the issue. This is the same thing that is already on your credit/debit card. The info is already there, we're only complaining about the format (alphabet vs barcode vs magnetic strip).
However, the idea that every corner store can swipe the card and a shared national database of what/where/when you do something is created -- that is patently offensive. The card reader should only be available to airport security, customs, police, etc. And then, only to verify that the printed information on the front hasn't been tampered with and/or only to speed up processing (ie., rather than manually copying information from the front -- like if you get a speeding ticket)
No bars, video rentals, banks, hotels, etc., etc. No commercial use of the card reading technology at all.
I don't see a problem with verifying that you are who you say you are before getting a drivers license. Makes common sense to me.
Common standards to a drivers license makes sense (the drivers license is already the defacto "National ID"). State's change their DL license designs regularly (PA has changed design each time I've renewed for the last 15-20 years). To have a single, coherent layout and appearance between states only makes sense. The cop in New Jersey doesn't have to know what a New Mexico license looks like or whether it's a fake -- they should all be similar, identifiable and with the same "anti counterfeit" measures.
It wouldn't even have to cost a significant amount of $$ to implement the above. Have the feds give their design/layout template to the state and when a person goes to renew, they get the new layout instead of the old layout.
However -- RFID chip, bad, horrible, terrifying idea. Whether it's an DL, passport or credit card (the last two are already in use), I can see identity theft running rampant. People can already "clone" a cell phone or hack your PDA if you get too close to them -- how much longer before they are hacking RFID chips? (if they aren't already)
However, a machine readable card that only contains the same personal information that is already printed on the front of the card (ie., name, address, license number, etc) -- I don't see the issue. This is the same thing that is already on your credit/debit card. The info is already there, we're only complaining about the format (alphabet vs barcode vs magnetic strip).
However, the idea that every corner store can swipe the card and a shared national database of what/where/when you do something is created -- that is patently offensive. The card reader should only be available to airport security, customs, police, etc. And then, only to verify that the printed information on the front hasn't been tampered with and/or only to speed up processing (ie., rather than manually copying information from the front -- like if you get a speeding ticket)
No bars, video rentals, banks, hotels, etc., etc. No commercial use of the card reading technology at all.
After spending 14 years (1972-1986) in Law Enforcement, I can state with certainty that the ideas are RARELY really bad. The implementation is where we run into foul territory.
I don't object to a National ID. I object to a national ID that incorporates an RFID that can be read without your knowledge (speedpass, hotel key cards. etc)
Since I am a law-abiding citizen with police training, I know not to violate the laws of our country. (I do drive faster than I should sometimes, so I'm not perfect)
I would therefore, object to having someone able to tell where I was, without me knowing they were shadowing me. That is a violation of my 4th amendment rights, and possibly my 5th amendment rights as well.
Forcing me to have these technologies applied without my knowledge or approval annoys me. In reality, it is not the technology that concerns me, it is the power-hungry individuals who MIGHT misuse the technology, WITHOUT fear of reprisal, that I disrespect.
We live in different times than when I served and protected. Law Enforcement needs different tools today, because the threats and the players are different. As Juvenal wrote "Who Watches the Watchers?".
It is the watchers, empowered and shameless that I fear -- perhaps more than the terrorists.
I will continue to observe and protect, even without a badge -- but I'm not ready to be tracked, the tracking capabilities misused to turn me into a criminal. Not me, not my friends, not my neighbors. Freedom isn't free, but then, government misuse of technology isn't their freedom, their right, either.
Frank Taylor