Comments on: Senate ratifies controversial cybercrime treaty

Tech companies say it can boost copyright protection. Others say it will allow FBI's surveillance apparatus to be misused.

[umbrae]

As if...

It wasn't bad enough to have to worry about our own government invading our privacy; now we have to worry about China and other countries.

I swear, all politians went completely brain-dead overnight.

[Had_to_be_said]

Oh, this isnt really about "other countries"...

This is actually about the U.S. Government USING other countries as an END-AROUND to the American legal-system ...where, these days, the FEDS apparently do NOT think they would have a chance, in Hell, of permanently getting this kind of power over the American-People, through ANY LEGITIMATE-LEGISLATION or COURT-ACTIONS.

And, as such, this is TOTALLY DISINGENUOUS...

I especially love the BS rhetoric, "... to target a broad swath of activities, including unauthorized intrusions into networks, fraud, the release of worms and viruses, child pornography and..." (>>>ACTUALLY, PROBABLY, MOST IMPORTANTLY<<<) "...copyright infringement"

...talk about priorities.

But, at its core, this is REALLY about SURVEILLANCE of people without "Due Process". This is about forcing Americans to be accountable to the RESTRICTIVE, and often Un-Constitutional Laws of other countries. So, this is about side-stepping the U.S. Constitution when OUR, now, apparently wholly-corrupt Government finds the document, more and more, INCONVENIENT, ...EVERYDAY.

Frankly, this HAS become a very TIRED-PLOY. First the Federal-Government PUSHES, and then SIGNS an "International Treaty" (which clearly VIOLATES "...the Will of the People", and/or theyre RIGHTS). And, then hastily creates new Federal-Laws to ENACT said "treaty", claiming that the "new Laws" HAD to be created to meet "...our International obligations", ...thereby completely sidestepping any impediments to the IMPOSITION of the wishes of a, few, POWERFUL-INTERESTS.

[JoeCrow]

Found a related link on Dotso.com

I found a related link to this story on Dotso.com about a week ago, but I can't locate it now. Was on the ZD network I think ...

[neochu]

effects of this treaty.....

According to the dissucssion I have made in other places this means a country has no power if another country decides to persecute a site or person located in target country if their laws are violated.

This can also happen weither the persecuting
country's laws violate target country's laws or constitution or not especially on levels of persecution and tolerance. This can be a tricky situation when the two countries in question have conflicting terms and definitions of such crimes. Some to the point of them cancelling each other out

This is fine for the things that everyone hates (such as hacking, theft and some levels of copyright infringment) but items of free speech and hate material or levels of objectionable material (such as adult sites)


What happens when one party says that something is illegal and another says its not. is this going to make everything that makes for such good discussion on the net objectionable to someone?
because apparently every other nation has to cooperate with another because of internatonal law?

Does it reduce all content on the net to zero before its illegal (lowest common multiple?) because anything that would incite any discussion would be illegal somewhere even if its not in your country. What if that meant persecution in said country would violate target country's constitution (such as countries that have abolished the death penalty an turning persons over to places with such punishment and/or who have known human rights issues in prisons and such things)

on top of that you wouldnt have any recourse against said country and would face such persecution as if you were in that country (even though you posted/used material outside of that country and any servers therein. Even though you broke no laws of your country.

this my law is your law philosophy is going to prove very very interesting because it makes all participating countries laws invalid. is this an item of bigger things to come?

[Earl]

very nicely said

freedom is the one thing we,(America)ave fought all our war's for,with this law in place we have opened our contry to any who wish to come in & take over our right's.
This law will not stop the things it's suppose to. The one's who wish to do what this law is suppose to stop will go deeper,& open the door for other country's.

The only good thing,(that may happen) is if enough wire's are tapped,& enough email's are read the goverment may see how p/o'ed the people are!

[chris__anderson]

who is this meant to stop?

thepiratebay.org and allofmp3.com that's who. child porn and hacking? come on. this is the **AA, bought and paid for.

you can thank your coin-operated legislators (and the lobbysits whose coins operate them) for this one.

[Ipod Apple]

fine for the things that everyone hates

http://www.analogstereo.com/honda_insight_owners_manual.htm

[Earl]

Freedom in our country

This is what we have fought all our War's over,not to ruled by another country's laws.

I myself don't give a d**m abought the law's of another country's law's, or what they think I should,or shouldn't do or say.

The goverment has been trying to rewrite the contistution for years, & haven't been able to do so, but with these new law's are bending it enought to suit there needs.

[R Me]

three words

NEW WORLD ORDER

george and george bush suck rat weenie