Comments on: Academics break the Great Firewall of China

University of Cambridge computer experts say they breached firewall and can use it to launch denial-of-service attacks.

[E B]

Let's help them improve their censorship!

Great -- so now the Chinese government can work on improving their firewall, to make it harder for their citizens to access information. That's a big step forward! Congratulations, Cambridge, on aiding censorship and totalitarianism!

[Cyberpawz]

Not really...

There is a way to hide all data while you do the attack, it is not that
difficult, the problem is that we are talking about morality here...

That being said, if they can crack into the firewall, which was one of
the toughest in the world to crack in the first place, then we have a
chance of taking it down and letting all information free on the net
if we do it correctly...

[MTGrizzly]

Anything that increases the costs...

...to the Chinese government of their censorship activities is a good thing.

The problem with security "holes" in Internet security is that, eventually, they all get discovered, exploited and, eventually, closed. Whether it is the person running the security or someone on the outside.

For the sake of argument, even if disclosing this "hole" puts the Chinese on notice, it does not, necessarily mean they will close it, that they can close it - unless they hire someone from
Cambridge - or that they feel that it is necessary to close it. AFter all, this could just be "disinformation" from the west...

Given the level of sophistication of average Internet users around the world, even with this hole, their system is still pretty secure. Most Internet users aren't interested enough to expend enough energy and effort to get around this level of security. It is only a "hole" if you can manage to exploit it...

[E B]

Let's help them improve their censorship!

Great -- so now the Chinese government can work on improving their firewall, to make it harder for their citizens to access information. That's a big step forward! Congratulations, Cambridge, on aiding censorship and totalitarianism!

[Cyberpawz]

Not really...

There is a way to hide all data while you do the attack, it is not that
difficult, the problem is that we are talking about morality here...

That being said, if they can crack into the firewall, which was one of
the toughest in the world to crack in the first place, then we have a
chance of taking it down and letting all information free on the net
if we do it correctly...

[MTGrizzly]

Anything that increases the costs...

...to the Chinese government of their censorship activities is a good thing.

The problem with security "holes" in Internet security is that, eventually, they all get discovered, exploited and, eventually, closed. Whether it is the person running the security or someone on the outside.

For the sake of argument, even if disclosing this "hole" puts the Chinese on notice, it does not, necessarily mean they will close it, that they can close it - unless they hire someone from
Cambridge - or that they feel that it is necessary to close it. AFter all, this could just be "disinformation" from the west...

Given the level of sophistication of average Internet users around the world, even with this hole, their system is still pretty secure. Most Internet users aren't interested enough to expend enough energy and effort to get around this level of security. It is only a "hole" if you can manage to exploit it...

[kamwmail-cnet1]

Can someone please write a script for this DOS?

It would be fun to have 4 of my machines constantly DOSing those thieving commies.

Ooops. Redundancy here. Thieves and Commies are two faces of the same coin. With thieves being the more honorable face.

[jabbotts]

your so up to date

for 1950s politics

[kamwmail-cnet1]

Can someone please write a script for this DOS?

It would be fun to have 4 of my machines constantly DOSing those thieving commies.

Ooops. Redundancy here. Thieves and Commies are two faces of the same coin. With thieves being the more honorable face.

[jabbotts]

your so up to date

for 1950s politics

[osbjmg]

(almost) a script kiddie, lawl

4 whole machines of yours working on a DOS attack, good idea, they might just make a difference, champ.

By the way, if anyone sent you a script, there is a very good chance they just sent you a virus instead for being a wannabe script kiddie.

[osbjmg]

(almost) a script kiddie, lawl

4 whole machines of yours working on a DOS attack, good idea, they might just make a difference, champ.

By the way, if anyone sent you a script, there is a very good chance they just sent you a virus instead for being a wannabe script kiddie.

[kamwmail-cnet1]

Never claimed to be a programmer. Duh.

Sigh. Another stuck up programmer wanna-be. Scripts are the easiest thing to use. And you can always monitor what the scripts does. And as to four machines... well if they're on four seperate fiber optic lines and they run 6 hours at night while no one is using it. And China is 12 hours differential, yeah, I would say it would make a diff.

Now stay in your bedroom and continue to be master of the universe / know it all.

[warx1]

Idiot

You my friend are a complete idiot. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[jabbotts]

There is another issue to concider before you suck the 4 dogs of war on the

bouncing script wars between friends can be a whole lot of fun but more than talk about attacking china through the network needs some consideration:

If you attack your friend's computer, you get your friend coming after you or saying "wow, nice hack, how'd you do that?"

If you attack an irc channel full of suppremists or similar anti-social collection (while fun and self folfilling) you have the risk of some very real and far reaching organizations coming to your front door.

If you attack a local school or organization, you have the local police probably with the FBI in towe nocking at your door.

If you attack across state lines it's federal and you most assuredly have the FBI knocking on your door possibly with the local police in towe.

If you attack a government facility, you most assuredly have the FBI along with government techies (likely military trained security/counter-security IT folks) showingup at your door.

If you attack across government borders, it's an act of war requireing a whole lot of scrambling and political apologies. If your lucky, it's the FBI coming to your door but it could just as easily be some nameless "tourist" with no identifying markings or documents who doesn't knock at the front door.

[jabbotts]

consider the escalation before you "make a difference"

Yeah, setting a few boxes to hurrass the chinese firewall at night could be fun but concider this first:

If one attacks there friend or neibour's computers they may get an upset friend or someone knocking on there door going "wow, that was cool. How'd you do that?"

If one attacks local businesses they get local police at there door possibly with FBI along for hte ride.

If one attacks across state borders they definately get FBI at the door possibly with local police along for the ride.

If one attacks across country borders they risk being interpreted as an act of war on behalf of there country and would be lucky if it was only the FBI at there door but more likely, secret service is going to become interested which means military trained government security/counter-security IT folks.

Now similarily, attacking an IRC chat channel devoted to iddle babble is going to upset the IRC ops depending on the user discomfort caused. Attacking a channel devoted to oneo f the various suppremist groups be it the K's or other, while self satisfying, risks having someone unfriendly and unaffiliated with law inforcement nocking at your door.

To me, four computers screaming my current location at another country across political borders in what would be a first attack in any future war between IT enabled nations is less apealing when I consider the Act of War and Secret Service/FBI/local police interest (best case) or "tourist" without identifying marks or documents "visiting" me during the night.

I know your a good little scripter and nobody is ever going to catch you but just imagine that these governments have the resources to follow the server logs back to your house. We're beyond the marry days of modem connections and IRC script wars. I'm good, but I'm not going to joust with government sactioned proffessionals.

[kamwmail-cnet1]

Never claimed to be a programmer. Duh.

Sigh. Another stuck up programmer wanna-be. Scripts are the easiest thing to use. And you can always monitor what the scripts does. And as to four machines... well if they're on four seperate fiber optic lines and they run 6 hours at night while no one is using it. And China is 12 hours differential, yeah, I would say it would make a diff.

Now stay in your bedroom and continue to be master of the universe / know it all.

[warx1]

Idiot

You my friend are a complete idiot. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[jabbotts]

There is another issue to concider before you suck the 4 dogs of war on the

bouncing script wars between friends can be a whole lot of fun but more than talk about attacking china through the network needs some consideration:

If you attack your friend's computer, you get your friend coming after you or saying "wow, nice hack, how'd you do that?"

If you attack an irc channel full of suppremists or similar anti-social collection (while fun and self folfilling) you have the risk of some very real and far reaching organizations coming to your front door.

If you attack a local school or organization, you have the local police probably with the FBI in towe nocking at your door.

If you attack across state lines it's federal and you most assuredly have the FBI knocking on your door possibly with the local police in towe.

If you attack a government facility, you most assuredly have the FBI along with government techies (likely military trained security/counter-security IT folks) showingup at your door.

If you attack across government borders, it's an act of war requireing a whole lot of scrambling and political apologies. If your lucky, it's the FBI coming to your door but it could just as easily be some nameless "tourist" with no identifying markings or documents who doesn't knock at the front door.

[jabbotts]

consider the escalation before you "make a difference"

Yeah, setting a few boxes to hurrass the chinese firewall at night could be fun but concider this first:

If one attacks there friend or neibour's computers they may get an upset friend or someone knocking on there door going "wow, that was cool. How'd you do that?"

If one attacks local businesses they get local police at there door possibly with FBI along for hte ride.

If one attacks across state borders they definately get FBI at the door possibly with local police along for the ride.

If one attacks across country borders they risk being interpreted as an act of war on behalf of there country and would be lucky if it was only the FBI at there door but more likely, secret service is going to become interested which means military trained government security/counter-security IT folks.

Now similarily, attacking an IRC chat channel devoted to iddle babble is going to upset the IRC ops depending on the user discomfort caused. Attacking a channel devoted to oneo f the various suppremist groups be it the K's or other, while self satisfying, risks having someone unfriendly and unaffiliated with law inforcement nocking at your door.

To me, four computers screaming my current location at another country across political borders in what would be a first attack in any future war between IT enabled nations is less apealing when I consider the Act of War and Secret Service/FBI/local police interest (best case) or "tourist" without identifying marks or documents "visiting" me during the night.

I know your a good little scripter and nobody is ever going to catch you but just imagine that these governments have the resources to follow the server logs back to your house. We're beyond the marry days of modem connections and IRC script wars. I'm good, but I'm not going to joust with government sactioned proffessionals.

[robbtuck]

Yeah, great going guys!

Way to go to help overcome an oppressive and restrictive regime - show them their faults and help them fix them to keep their people under control.

[robbtuck]

Yeah, great going guys!

Way to go to help overcome an oppressive and restrictive regime - show them their faults and help them fix them to keep their people under control.

[deeptii]

As if you are the first to discover it, dumb ass...

There are a few known methods to break through the firewall a long time ago, and yet to use it to DoS attack is only a theory!

Did you try to use it? If you have not proved that your DoS theory works, don't claim to the world like that.

To name one of the methods that I know and use to break through the firewall of China: use SSL Proxy tunnel.

This is no freaking news... heh!

[deeptii]

As if you are the first to discover it, dumb ass...

There are a few known methods to break through the firewall a long time ago, and yet to use it to DoS attack is only a theory!

Did you try to use it? If you have not proved that your DoS theory works, don't claim to the world like that.

To name one of the methods that I know and use to break through the firewall of China: use SSL Proxy tunnel.

This is no freaking news... heh!

[deeptii]

This is news? You gotta be kidding...

There are a few known methods to break through the firewall a long time ago, and yet to use it to DoS attack is only a theory!

Did you try to use it? If you have not proved that your DoS theory works, don't claim it to the world like that.

To name one of the methods that I know and use to break through the firewall of China: use SSL Proxy tunnel.

This is no freaking news... heh!

[deeptii]

This is news? You gotta be kidding...

There are a few known methods to break through the firewall a long time ago, and yet to use it to DoS attack is only a theory!

Did you try to use it? If you have not proved that your DoS theory works, don't claim it to the world like that.

To name one of the methods that I know and use to break through the firewall of China: use SSL Proxy tunnel.

This is no freaking news... heh!

[deeptii]

This is news? You gotta be kidding...

There are a few known methods to break through the firewall a long time ago, and yet to use it to DoS attack is only a theory!

Did you try to use it? If you have not proved that your DoS theory works, don't claim to the world like that.

To name one of the methods that I know and use to break through the firewall of China: use SSL Proxy tunnel.

This is no freaking news... heh!

[deeptii]

This is news? You gotta be kidding...

There are a few known methods to break through the firewall a long time ago, and yet to use it to DoS attack is only a theory!

Did you try to use it? If you have not proved that your DoS theory works, don't claim to the world like that.

To name one of the methods that I know and use to break through the firewall of China: use SSL Proxy tunnel.

This is no freaking news... heh!

[sirfragalot]

ah so much fun

man how awsome would that be to take down chinas internet infastructure im sure a 1337 h4x0r and his buddys with drone computers could really do alot of damage but thats what you get for not being smart china

[sirfragalot]

ah so much fun

man how awsome would that be to take down chinas internet infastructure im sure a 1337 h4x0r and his buddys with drone computers could really do alot of damage but thats what you get for not being smart china

[jajalolo]

I'm using Freedur to get around the great firewall. It is fast and stable. Youtube videos stream very fast.

[simon1978011]

FYI, the owner of Freedur Chris Mathews and his operations are very shady. There is so many bad comments floating around the internet about Chris Mathews, Freedur, ShoeMash and OpenTerrace LTD. Supposedly, Chris Mathews has stolen Freedur from its real owner - StackFile (owner - Paul Hay).

Freedur server is full of stolen files, just as example - https://freedur.net/images/placeholder/stackfile_logo.jpg

You can read the law suit against Freedur/Chris Mathews here http://www.skydur.com/law-suit-against-chris-mathews.php.

If I were you I would stay away from Freedur, ShoeMask and Open Terrace LTD.

Simon