Comments on: Counting the cost of counterfeiting

Microsoft antipiracy exec says the company would rather educate than punish users of pirated software.

[Dachi]

2 sides of the coin

First, I hate to MS bash, it is so cliché any more the only people who still find it amusing are Slashdroids.

With that said, MS is doing all kinds of stuff to stop piracy, but they don't seem to be bothered by "double taxing"?

By this I mean many people don't like the crapafied OEM installs that come with a typical HP or Dell PC and the "restore disk" that comes with them, so they buy "clean" retail or OEM versions of the OS. Even though they have an OEM license, they must still pay for a full retail version of the OS for $300.

Second, If I have a full version of Windows XP pro SP2 and I buy a new machine to replace the one I am using, I can't take the copy of Windows with me because it is tied to the hardware.

I should be able to unregistered it from one PC so that I may move it to the next PC.

Since almost all corporations buy PC's with at least XP home on them anyway, MS should be charging a fraction of what they charge today for corporate licenses.

There is a refund program, but I know of few people who have actually used it.

I also don't believe you can use a XP RTM license with a XP SP2 install disk, but you should be able to.

Since MS loses little sleep over all the unnecessary licenses people end up buying, why should I lose any sleep over piracy?

Also, if MS were to stop 100% of piracy today, people would have an actual reason to embrace an alternative desktop.

Uptake of Linux on the desktop actually seems slower in poor counries than it does in the US doe to heavy piracy in those nations.

[robbtuck]

But lowering the prices would help!!

I agree there are a lot of people out there who will just try to get stuff as cheaply as possible, but I think there are a significant number of people such as myself who think M$ software is overpriced - by about 200%.

[Seaspray0]

It certainly would be nice

I know that XP is a vast improvement over windows 95 (which cost $100) but I do think the price is high. Today, you can buy a computer that is 100 times better than what you could get in '95 and for about 1/3 the cost. The OEM version of windows is a good price, but you can only get that if you buy your computer from a major manufacturer, and it is included in the price for the PC. If you wish to BUILD your own PC and purchase the OS seperately, you pay an arm and a leg. I used to build my own PC's, but can't afford to do that anymore because the OS costs too much... way too much. I wish microsoft would give us a similar price scheme it gives to computer makers rather than marking it up 200%.

[Dachi]

Good product idea for MS

In the event anyone is listening, I think the killer app that will keep MS strong for a few years to come would basicially be an end user friendly version of Norton Ghost.

This would apeal to people like me who admin 3 or 4 family PC's and get sick of constantly making house calls to remove infections and spyware.

Many people like me get frustrated and _this_ is where Linux is making inroads on the desktop. Sometimes moving them to Linux is easier than making constant house calls becasue the PC is spitting porn popups and ads as soon as it boots or is running at a snails speed.

With a simple disk imaging solution I could just do a clean install, install the things they need, and clone it. If they ever run into problems they can back up their digital photos and re-image the drive on their own without needing hours of my time.

A security blanket like this may also allow users to be able to embrace technology rather than fear it.

PS. Be lucky I don't have the money to fund all the ideas I think of for other people :)

[Stalin Hornsby]

we could all use more understanding when reading the side of the serial box

Ya! more marshmellows in yellow and green. Okay, here there is something about just how this ghosting compares to my operating systems ability to move a registry. Oh, and their for twenty nine ninety five the kind folks at "Que" have thrown me a butcher bone wrapped in white paper.

[amungusoid]

just make a deal

why can't people buy the OS in a 5 license package like OSX??? It would make perfect sense. Sell the single OS, a multi-pc OS, and the site deals. They totally left out the so called "casual" pirates, many of whom have already paid for the OS (maybe even more than one copy of it!) but want to run it on another computer.

I saw apple's site listing their OS (of course, it only runs on a mac...) at a reasonable price, and then a 5 pc license for $200. I think this would be an excellent approach for Microsoft to take, as it would likely eliminate the "casual" piracy. Make it easy for families to use it on their home computers, and easy for the people who tinker around to be legit.

I'm all for stopping the counterfeit operations and education, but they also need to show a real incentive beyond a "genuine advantage" program like they're doing. That incentive should be a fair pricing on a small 3-5 pc license like Apple is doing.

With all the versions of Vista coming out, WHY couldn't they make this an option for, say the "ultimate" versions???

Why alienate customers instead of profiting more from them?

[Dachi]

Good points

I have always thought the same thing about Apple's 5 user OSX license.

I have 3 computers in my home (2 mine, one GF) plus I take responsibility for my dads machine.

We don't eat on dirt floors, but there is no way I am going to spend $1200 for extra versions of Windows when 3 of the machines were under $400 new.

Compare to Apple who sells 5 user licenses for $199.00.

[throbi]

I bird in the bush is not a bird in your hands!

Why do they think that they have losses of millions? They have no losses at all!

Poeple like free stuff. Would you try the free samples in the supermarket if you would have to pay for them?

People get pirated copies because they can get it for free. If they couldn't get it for free, they would start looking for smoething else that is free. Linux, Open Office...

Actually m$ and other greedy companies that fear sofware piracy should think at it as a free way for them to get more users. Users of the pirated versions get to know the software, too and at some point - where they can no more risk using illegal software - they will pay for it. Without the so called piracy they would stick to Linux 'till they die.

So I whish that m$ will be 100% successful with its anti-piracy program. In my oppinion that success will not pay them all those millions of dollars, but it will guide millions to the wonderful world of free software. Free as in free beer.

[marileev]

piracy also affects smaller firms

Another aspect to the software piracy issue is that it's not only the bigger producers who are affected by overseas piracy. Small firms like in the gaming industry work on projects for bigger firms on contract. The smaller firms create more innovation, but have fewer opportunities than Microsoft to stress how IP theft affects their business - http://www.essentialsecurity.com/educationalfacts.htm

[gggg sssss]

what price is fair

When you get XP in a $299 Dell PC, its market value must be about $25 after decucting teh costs of other components. Why does MS think that it is fair to charge $200 at retail, or why it shoudl value its losses at the $200 level? Sell it on line at $25 ( no shipping, no physical media, no retailer's 100% markup) to all of us and there would be no need for pirates.

[jwmoreland]

A good resource to educate;-)

http://youtube.com/watch?
v=hpv6_6pCpY8&search=don%27t%20copy%20that%20floppy

[gggg sssss]

reffer madness

Hey reefer madness is there somewhere as well.