Comments on: Homeland security group to meet away from public eye

Federal advisory committee that deals with protecting U.S. infrastructure is free to disregard law keeping meetings open.

[marileev]

Government-public servants... guess not

I am often caught off guard at how much this administration wishes to keep things closed to its voting populace. Yes, somethings should be secretive, but in the realm of public servitude the U.S. citizenry does deserve to know.

Those already targeting our country will have means to extract these recommendations by the Critical Infrastructure Partnership Advisory Council - right?

I agree with Mr. Sobel's commnents of:

"The public has an extremely strong interest in knowing whether DHS and the relevant industries are doing enough to protect facilities, and whether there might be company negligence that contributes to any possible security vulnerabilities."

--Marilee Veniegas
http://www.iwantmyess.com

[Zymurgist]

That's the Bush hallmark.

Whether you are a supporter or detractor of our
president, this is at least one thing that the
both sides can agree on -- if for no other
reason that it's empirically measurable: the
government does more in secret today than at any
time in history (more so than war-times past as
well).

That is to say, more meetings and hearing have
been closed to the public, fewer transcripts
released, even previously public documents are
rapidly being reclassified as secret.

The question is, of course, to what end?

The only precedent for the amount of government
secrecy we see today has been various communist
and totalitarian regimes. How will it play out
in a democratic country? Isn't democracy
predicated on a (somewhat) informed electorate?

[marileev]

yes - informed electorate

Of course we'll never know everything at times of war as a previous poster said, but yes we deserve to be an informed electorate.

I was born after we left Vietnam, but it seems like the imbedded news and reports made us informed rather than keeping us ignorant.

--Marilee V.
http://www.iwantmyess.com

[dunnsanfrancisco]

Note-taker wanted. Must look innocent.

Of course the new Homeland Security advisory committee is free to meet without being in compliance with public disclosure laws and so they should be! Think about it. Does it really make sense for the people who are tracking terrorists in this country to make their planning meetings PUBLIC? The terrorists only need to send somebody to take notes. Even Homer Simpson can understand that insisting on open meetings in this case is just plain knuckle-dragging dumb.

[scdecade]

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[kylegas]

No one really cares

The Bush administration will just keep eroding privacy and civil liberties, because most people are lazy and will say or do nothing to prevent it. The Bush people have thrived on the sloth and apathy of numb masses, and unless individual people start inconveniencing themselves enough to march, write, and call this uncontrolled freight train to accountability, we're not going to have a democracy within 10 years.

[scdecade]

Caring no longer matters

You see the Democrats agree with the Republicans and vice versa when it comes to what used to be known as civil liberties. The 2 party system has climbed up a tree and pulled the ladder up after themselves. Care all you want it will do no good. The only hope the public had was the courts and they betrayed us. Property rights? Gone. Privacy rights? Gone. Miranda rights? Gone. All sanctioned by the Supreme Court. The best you can do now to preserve what rights we have left is to be rich. All politicians like to please rich people.

[J_Satch]

You do know...

...that we have elections coming up in a couple years and that Bush is in his second term, don't you?

[OneWithTech]

Good

Good!

~Justin

[David Arbogast]

Yes - GOOD

Isn't it funny to see the paranoid Americans work themselves into a tizzy when they hear that the government has a secret?

OF COURSE our government has secrets... lots of them... and its a GOOD THING.

Basically, everything you disclose to the American people, you also disclose to enemies of the nation. When we are talking about homeland security, the enemy has absolutely no need to know how things are handled. Any disclosure represents risk.

Bummer for the paranoid Americans... it means they don't get to know either. And quite frankly, I'm glad. Some people hardly seem intelligent enough to understand the importance of secrecy... tell them a secret, and they'll likely post it to some mind-numbing anti-government Internet blog for the whole world to read.

The only people blanket-arguing against government secrets should be the anarchists... and they're pretty easy to laugh off.

[Johnny Mnemonic]

Some interesting quotes...

"Strength lies not in defense but in attack."
-H

"What good fortune for governments that the people do not think."
-H

"Our strategy is to destroy the enemy from within, to conquer him through himself."
-H

"We are all proud that through God's powerful aid, we have become once more true Americans"
-H

"Always before God and the world, the stronger has the right to carry through what he wills"
-H

"Only force rules. Force is the first law"
-H

"The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force."
-H

"The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category."
-H

"The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."
-H

"Who says I am not under the special protection of God?"
-H

"The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one."
-H

"Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction."
-H

[Jothar]

Limit Information

This is how dictatorships start.

[J_Satch]

Not really...

Dictators usually aren't elected, they usually just sieze power. And if Bush is expecting to become dictator, he better do it soon before his last term is ends in a couple years.

[maxwis]

Evildoers Learned From Katrina

Man, like didn't Evildoers Incorporated learn everything they needed to know about our infrastructure weaknesses from the guberments disasterous response to Katrina? Let's see:

1) Disparate first responder systems don't communicate with each other. Check.

2) Lack of fault-tolerant communications systems (i.e. cell towers wiped out, no satellite backup) Check.

3) Victims left to fend for themselves. Mass panic. Lawlessness. Looting. Armed gangs with assault weapons. Check.

4) Basic supplies - food, water unavailable. Check.

5) Lack of response, slow moving government agencies. Check.

6) Finger pointing. Officials mostly concerned about buying new shirts at Nordstrom's. Check.

7) Local police charged with maintaining order abandoned posts. Check.

8) Dead bodies accumulating in standing water breeding disease. Check.

9) Economic devastation to regions for years to come. Check.


Meeting adjourned.

[J_Satch]

So you're saying...

...that "Evildoers Incorporated" (Dr. Evil, CEO) is going to attack us with hurricanes?