Comments on: Security officials to spy on chat rooms

CIA is quietly funding research into surveillance of chat rooms to help identify terrorists, News.com has learned.

[malabrm1]

As if...

our security community has come up with something new in this effort.

Don't mean to be sarcastic, but the fact is MSN, Yahoo, AOL and all the rest have utilized such bots in their chat rooms for well over a half
decade now.

Well-funded terrorists must certainly know this, and, therefore, avoid using such an obvious method of communication.

Leave IRC alone.

I simply cannot fathom why the US government has any right to monitor the world on IRC chats when there are solid evidences out there of credit card fraud and other crimes involving other countries that they cannot harm. Let's face it people, stop trying to harm the people that are doing nothing wrong by invading our privacy. It is well known that this information would some how find it's way out and we like our privacy. No, we have nothing to hide, but our lives are our own and we don't need programs over our heads. If I ever heard of this showing up on my IRC networks I hang on I'd find a way of coping with it. IRC networks as well as many online communities hold to policies ensuring that even Admins aren't spying on conversations. IRC networks and chat communities are businesses in their own right and have a right to say yes or no to spying. I don't like terrorists but I also think this patriot act may be giving exclusive rights for a more powerful government that is not what the USA intended. You are the government but you are not gods. Leave people alone to their privacies and try learning to go after the criminals you actually see instead of spying on people of your country or others where the leaders actually can and will do something to stop terrorism. The ones that are mostly at fault are the ones you simply don't seem to be able to do crap about any way.

[JFDMit]

The phoney war

It seems that too many of the measures being taken or proposed by the Western world's security services are based on the assumption that terrorists are stupid.

First, we heard that the CIA needed to read all our email and listen in on our cellphones so they can intercept terrorists saying things like, "Hey! What say we blow up the Pentagon next Friday?" Yet, as anyone who has so much as glanced at a spy novel knows, the bad guys are far more likely to say "Let's grab a pizza on Friday" or some other prearranged signal for their activities.

Next, we were told that the government needed backdoors into all our encrypted communications, again so they could intercept terrorist communications. But wouldn't an even averagely bright terrorist know that the surest way to draw attention to their plans would be to encrypt them? During WWII, Britain communicated with an extensive European spy network via codes hidden in poems and personal letters, and via the nightly weather reports of the BBC. No sophisticated encryption required and the Germans never really suspected. Remember, it was the very difficulty of Germany's own Enigma-encrypted traffic that alerted the Allies to the importance of the information it carried, and made them determined to crack the code.

Now we're expected to believe that Al Quaeda are going to be hanging around on public chatrooms planning their nefarious plots. Yeah, right.

What seems far more likely is that the government simply wants what govenments always want: ever greater control over their citizens. The "War on Terror" is just the threat du jour and has replaced the "Cold War" as the boogieman that justifies policies of oppression and censorship. Orwell wasn't wrong when he wrote "1984," just 20 years premature.

[malabrm1]

James...

I'm not big on conspiracy theories, even by our government, in the USA. What I am big on is mismanagement due to the splintering of our security services. It was one thing when we had a few security agencies - my pref always being those not pols but profs who only need be vetted by pols (like the Fed Chairs must be). But our security services are now such a mammoth bunch of groups, each with their own agenda and consequent turf wars, that it's with great sadness that we are forced to acknowledge that we, as a nation, have easily crackable security. Worse yet, well-funded terrorist groups know this all too well, and have devised "best practice" routes around our country's security, with the result by definition that by the time we devise yet another security effort, seriously wealthy terrorist groups already know how to take advantage of this frightening chess match.

War on free society

I'm not one to believe in far fetched conspiracy theories, but the fact that the terrorists only pulled off 9/11 and no other attacks, even with all their support in the U.S. is really starting to make the "war on terrorism" look like a "war on free society". The CIA needs to stop making excuses to monitor everything citizens do, and start gathering "human intelligence". It would be much cheaper to pay 10 good agents $200,000 a year, than it would be to keep hiring more and more people to develop means of spying on citizens to prevent attacks. As others have stated, making these known publicly is just going to alert the terrorists, and make them divert away from these communication mediums, and in the end the only ones going to be monitored will be the citizens. One well placed agent could infact bring down an entire terrorist organization or severly hurt it, we've seen this in the past with the mafia and other organized crime, and yet we refuse to employ the same methods against terrorists, you cannot tell me there is not one terrorist willing to defect for the right amount of money. If the government keeps on with these rights limiting campaigns, then at the end of the day, the terrorist maybe right in saying they've won.

[dsherr1]

Do I dare comment?

With all due concern, I will. Next thing the government will be determining thought crimes. Thank you George Orwell for your prescient observations in 1948. You only missed by +20 years. Another interesting concept from Orwell's 1984 was the continuous enemy and the two-minute hate each day. I await Regis conducting it each morning.

[mrv9r]

what about...?

So, monitoring chatrooms and such for terrorists is not a bad idea, but what about predators/pedophiles and such? I'd probably think there's more predators and pedophiles (if not the same thing) out there in chatrooms than terrorists!!! (at least in US-based chatrooms). come on!

[mrv9r]

huh?

so where did i get this "sadchild" nickname from? i surely didn't choose it, or did i? how do i change it, anyone?