Comments on: Report: Florida data suggests e-voting problems

Analysis by U.C. Berkeley researchers contends there was link between e-voting machines and a pro-Bush skew in Florida.

another stolen election

with every anomoly and error found that favors Bush, how can anyone think that the election results mirrored reality.

Now we get more deceits, more innocent lives lost and more rights stolen. Should we expect anything else from the Bushes?

get over it...

When will you conspiracy theory whackos just move on.

Bush won by a huge margin. Your agenda is the wrong one and all of America just told you that.

Why do you think they are errors?

I'm a registered Democrat, but until the DNC can convince me they are more interested in the good of the country than covering their own miserable posteriors, I will continue to vote Republican.

[bschmidt25]

Stolen?

Steal is what Al Gore was trying to do in the last election by only recounting in heavily democratic areas in Florida and not the whole state. It's what they were trying to do that same election near where I live by bribing homeless people to vote for Gore by giving them cigarettes. Or during this election, taking 11 year olds out of school during the day to compaign on behalf of moveon.org and calling it an educational experience. You think Republicans are pulling dirty tricks?!

Liberals...Give it up, Bush won!

Academia liberals at work. They just cannot seem to accept the fact that President Bush has won fair and square. Maybe they should actually talk to the people of Florida, and the rest of the country that went "all red" on election night. Maybe, statistically analyzed Americans might reveal to them their disgust at a nation that is condoning gay marriages, abortion, and every other moral cancer that has infected our society. One would be inclined to believe that these issues could be enough to motivate individuals to cross party lines to do the right thing.

President Bush isn't perfect, and may not reflect the views of every American, but most importantly and as the election showed, he represents the beliefs of MOST Americans.

Re-read the article

The article was not about a stolen election or some conspiracy... It was about the problems (and consequences) of studying voting patterns when there is no paper trail. The following is from the fourth paragraph of the article:

"Without a paper trail, statistical comparisons of jurisdictions that used e-voting are the only tool available to diagnose problems with the new technology".

As an aside, do you honestly think the next four years would be any different with Kerry at the helm? When you factor in that the (I believe... correct me if I'm wrong) Republicans hold a majority in Congress, I sincerely doubt it.

Fair and square?!

Regardless of whether the anomalies from electronic voting prove to be the result of tampering, Bush hardly won "fair and square." Minority voters were illegally dropped from the rolls, intimidated, or forced to wait for several hours to vote because urban precincts were deliberately given too few polling places, voting machines and poll workers. We know for a fact that in Nevada a company hired by the Republicans to register new voters tossed hundreds or thousands of Democratic registrations into a dumpster. In parts of New Mexico, Hispanics were given provisional ballots almost as a matter of course. The (Republican) Ohio Commissioner of Elections attempted to reject new voter registrations because they were on the wrong type of paper.

Meanwhile, a majority of Bush voters were simply misinformed. They believed Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11, that weapons of mass destruction WERE found in Iraq and even that most people the world over think highly of Mr. Bush. (I can't blame these people. It shouldn't be a mistake for Americans to trust their President. But under Bush that's exactly what it is.)

I don't know if the Bush team rigged actual voting machines, but they definitely rigged the election.

[Earl Benser]

Answer is simple

The Kerry-Edwards ticket was the 'Indecisive leading the
Incompetent'. And many Democrats decided that Bush-Cheney
was a lesser evil. Statisticians who conduct 'analyses' like those
quoted should have a better handle on reality before making
asinine pronouncements.

[swwg69]

Dems screw up again

The article states that most of the issues are in largely democratic counties that got lots more Bush votes. It looks like the Dems in charge tried to rig the machines, but got it backwards.
Ha Ha. L
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Or Reps did a very good job

It makes sense to screw up elections results in a county that heavily favors the opponent.

There are more votes you can change over.

What steps of logic did you take to infer a Democrat screwed with the voting machines?

The answer is quite simple

This is easily explaniable by Human behavior, I fall into this category although the opposite of what I'm suggesting. Simply, voter registration is not updated frequently in many states (Ohio being one of them). You only register when you move and you declare a party when you register. I think it's quite possibly and probable that many people who previously registered as democrats are voting republican. It's not a given that all registered voters vote with their registered party. I am a registered republican and I voted democrat in the past 3 elections, so I skew the statistics when they are based on registered voter party affiliation.

[Ubber geek]

voting republican

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It's Over. You lost! Move on & try again.

What in the name of God are the idiots of the earth rambling about now!!???? Havn't any of these incredulous twits ever heard of "Cross-Party Platform voting"??!!!?? The truth of it is that some of the more itelligent Independents and Registered Dem's got smart somewhere in the voting
process.
To The rest of you - Your Guy Lost!! Suck it up! Live with it! Move on and better luck next time?
We spend WAYYY TOO much time catering to the PITA Whiners of the world. Is this the new 4-leter word "Tolerance"??
Get over it!

[bschmidt25]

Over and done

UC Berkley - there's an independant investigation...

Most people are over it and moving on. Bush won fair and square - by over 3.5 million votes. I find it extremely hard to believe that they would pick up 130,000 votes for Kerry, but apparently none for Bush! I gotta give Kerry alot of credit for doing the classy thing and conceding instead of taking it to the courts and filing lawsuits.

As for the Democrats, maybe they should re-evaluate their platform and the candidates they elect. Kerry needed to take a much firmer stance on defense and social issues instead of not taking a position so it looked like he was open to debate for everything. Everyone saw right through him. Whether you like him or not, Bush shoots it straight and doesn't back away from something he said. Kerry was a classic BSer. In a time of war, people are going to go with who they are comfortable with to defend the country. With Kerry, you never knew what you were going to get.

CNET is part of the problem...

Whoever made the decision to create the title to this article is guilty of "Sensationalizing"... So, a big "Shame on You" goes out to CNET!

When will TRUTH be valued more than political gain? (Dem's or Rep's included).

How so? I see no sensationalism here.

What part of the title do you have a problem with?

Because it's exactly what the research suggests. That there are problems with paperless voting.

Would you rather have a long, bland title that describes the statistical analysis used?

I think CNet's title is much less sensational than some of the other articles...

University researchers challenge Bush win in Florida
Berkeley: President comes up short
Study Finds Excess Votes For Bush In Florida
UC Berkeley Research Team Sounds 'Smoke Alarm' for Florida E-Vote Count

So many more examples. So a reply to explain how you find this article's title sensational would be great.

Less about correcting results. More about flaws of paperless voting.

I think you missed the point of the article.

Regardless of whether the errors projected in the analysis change the results of the election, the study strongly suggests there are problems with the paperless voting system.

If you have kept up with the issues that have been raised over paperless voting far before the 2004 elections, you would know that there is no accountability for any errors the voting machines might cause.

Paperless voting does not leave a paper trail. So how do you verify that every vote was counted? That the machine didn't screw up by itself? That someone didn't temper with the machine or its software? You can't.

And the companies making these machines don't help either. Their public relations reps keep repeating the same lines about how their machines are perfectly secure while just days before their machines were hacked into on TV. They claim trade secrets in order to avoid examination of their machines or the software contained within.

Do the machines and software get certified to be accurate and safe from hacking? Sure. From a company hired by the voting machine manufacturers. If you read the reports produced during the certification processes, known security problems are not tested.

So, yeah. The bigger picture is very non-partisan. This is a problem that affects all voters.

Maybe the PAST was WRONG

Has anybody ever thought that the counts in past elections were wrong? Maybe what you're seeing now is the TRUE vote. Maybe the e-vote is more accurate?

Read up on paperless voting

If you understand the problems of paperless voting, you'll get a better perspective on why all these data are troubling.

To think that a computer systems that have been shown to be unsecure and inaccurate somehow magically became perfect the night before elections is wishful thinking.

Even if you wanted to prove that the machines were doing a better job of counting the votes, how would you go about it? You certainly can't count the votes manually. There is no paper trail. Are you going to blindly trust companies that make money selling these machines? Do you think they will tell you their machines screwed up?

Could be

Maybe the new equipment makes it harder for the Democrats to cheat?