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Here's a couple of clues:
* Active Directory was based off of Kerberos (which *nix largely abandoned long ago in favor of LDAP and NIS)
* If having a mandatory GUI that sucks down 20% of a server's hardware horsepower is an "advancement", I don't want it. Apparently MSFT got the message and is offering their next server version w/ a CLI-only interface... (talk about playing "catchup"... LOL!)
Name the "function", and I can almost tell you what *nix-based service MSFT ripped it off of.
/P
Whatever people need to do to get it done, that's what you do. If Windows works, you use windows. If linux works, you use that.
What matters in the end is having the choice and right now, people have a choice.
Here's a couple of clues:
* Active Directory was based off of Kerberos (which *nix largely abandoned long ago in favor of LDAP and NIS)
* If having a mandatory GUI that sucks down 20% of a server's hardware horsepower is an "advancement", I don't want it. Apparently MSFT got the message and is offering their next server version w/ a CLI-only interface... (talk about playing "catchup"... LOL!)
Name the "function", and I can almost tell you what *nix-based service MSFT ripped it off of.
/P
Whatever people need to do to get it done, that's what you do. If Windows works, you use windows. If linux works, you use that.
What matters in the end is having the choice and right now, people have a choice.
Besides, what other Server package has a 100% free variant (CentOS) based on the exact same source code?
If you want something that sorta-works and lets you point-n-click your way to semi-functionality, go get Windows. When you want a REAL server operating system, step up to RHEL.
(I also use SuSE Enterprise Linux Server, but I gotta tell you - RHEL tops it easily in features and ease-of-use).
/P
1. Windows is good for games.
2. It comes with a nice shiny holographic PID sticker
3. ....
Lets all try to say two good things about windows.
Not to mention, I'll take .debs over .rpms any day...
Besides, what other Server package has a 100% free variant (CentOS) based on the exact same source code?
If you want something that sorta-works and lets you point-n-click your way to semi-functionality, go get Windows. When you want a REAL server operating system, step up to RHEL.
(I also use SuSE Enterprise Linux Server, but I gotta tell you - RHEL tops it easily in features and ease-of-use).
/P
1. Windows is good for games.
2. It comes with a nice shiny holographic PID sticker
3. ....
Lets all try to say two good things about windows.
Not to mention, I'll take .debs over .rpms any day...
We're in a dramatic moment when the giant monopoly that sits on 95% of the world's desktops has made a serious error in releasing the newest version of its OS in an unfinished state and there's now a growing hunger among pc users to find out more about Linux and Mac, which sit on less than 4% of the world's desktops each. Apple will undoubtedly make some market share this year, though they don't need this to survive--they've got their niche already carved out. Linux, on the other hand, has a golden opportunity to expand into the "real" world of computer desktops if the "community" can rally around a single distro that hardware makers consider comprehensive and polished enough to offer on machines sold at retail.
The mission of the moment for Linux fans, programmers, and users is to think about this question real hard. Sitting in your closet making smug idiot comments about Microsoft products, which will be totally ignored, is wasting your brain cells. If Red Hat is such an excellent distribution, then those who hold it in high regard need to start working on ways to get as many softwares and drivers as possible compatible with it, make sure its gui interface is attractive and easy to use, and pay some money up front for copies to keep the enterprise going. Do you understand the mission, or does wisecracking satisfy your delusions of grandeur?
2. Spend money on boxed versions of Linux to help promote the fight
3. Make smart ass remarks about windows.
1 and 2 are a social responsibility. Option three is just fun.
(and yes my wee friend, some of us have been supporting Linux financially, programmatically, and otherwise since the 90's. Try not to assume too much next time, 'k? It makes you look silly when the facts come 'round).
/P
We're in a dramatic moment when the giant monopoly that sits on 95% of the world's desktops has made a serious error in releasing the newest version of its OS in an unfinished state and there's now a growing hunger among pc users to find out more about Linux and Mac, which sit on less than 4% of the world's desktops each. Apple will undoubtedly make some market share this year, though they don't need this to survive--they've got their niche already carved out. Linux, on the other hand, has a golden opportunity to expand into the "real" world of computer desktops if the "community" can rally around a single distro that hardware makers consider comprehensive and polished enough to offer on machines sold at retail.
The mission of the moment for Linux fans, programmers, and users is to think about this question real hard. Sitting in your closet making smug idiot comments about Microsoft products, which will be totally ignored, is wasting your brain cells. If Red Hat is such an excellent distribution, then those who hold it in high regard need to start working on ways to get as many softwares and drivers as possible compatible with it, make sure its gui interface is attractive and easy to use, and pay some money up front for copies to keep the enterprise going. Do you understand the mission, or does wisecracking satisfy your delusions of grandeur?
2. Spend money on boxed versions of Linux to help promote the fight
3. Make smart ass remarks about windows.
1 and 2 are a social responsibility. Option three is just fun.
(and yes my wee friend, some of us have been supporting Linux financially, programmatically, and otherwise since the 90's. Try not to assume too much next time, 'k? It makes you look silly when the facts come 'round).
/P
We all have to keep our eye on the mark and compete with Windows. If everyone pushed the plow in the same direction for one linux distribution, we'd make some headway. But now I see RHEL, SUSE, Gentoo, etc.
While I run 400+ servers on RHEL, and it is really, truly rock solid, I also run some SUSE, and you can't move easily from one to the other. Applications install differently. The directory structure is different. And application vendors only 'certify' to specific distributions, usually RHEL, but not always SUSE.
Feels like 1987 all over again...
For businesses the list is pared down largely to
RedHat, SuSE, Ubuntu, Xandros and Debian, and this is largely influenced by what their tech guy's preferences are!
Having so many distros is benefitial because
1. You can probably find something that when the installation (if applicable) is done you are well on your way to the system you want ot build.
2. Competition breeds innovations. Look at Windows (low-competition) vs Office, Visual Studio and SQL Server (higher competition). Windows hasn't changed much and has room to improve while the others have had to work to keep their position and it shows in the quality of their products.
3. Easier for those who want to to get involved in a project or distro, which provides an outlet for those with great ideas to make something of it without having to spend $$$$$ on something they think is just a hobby (and turns out to be a mega-hit!)
4. Allows the distro to concentrate on something (RHEL = Servers, SuSE & Ubuntu=Desktop, etc.) and do a great job instead of trying to be everything to everybody!
I think the diversity is a good thing and that it isn't as overwhelming as people keep saying it is, when you look at them.
Everything from its SATA port issues to video driver issues, to its issues with KVM switchs to its habit to not wake up from sleep. To its horrid perforance with wine.
I installed it on my system at home ran wow, in Wine spent hour tweaking and working with guys on the forums. And I managed to scrap ohh 23fps from a system that normal runs wow at 60.
Other issues laptops when you use an external monitor the Display not sizeing proper to the external display.
When posting about the SATA issue, the comment back is yah lots of people with this issue, but its on a low priority fix, make sure to keep sending more reports to try and get them to bump priority. For now just shut down sata if your not using it.
And the list goes on and on and on and on, just vist the forums.
Why did we stick with Vista and Microsoft on our desktop? It just works, seriously we don't have the time to spend hours on forums and with tech support just to make it install proper on Dell Laptops and Desktops. Way to many issues with Unbuntu right now..
the other. Applications install differently. The directory structure
is different"[/i]
Not really... there are small differences, but as long as you have
LSB going in both, basic functionality is the same, and I can take
the same source code in most instances and compile them w/o
incident in either variant.
RPM's also install pretty much the same in both cases... I think
you're referring to YaST vs. YUM (the installer package helper
apps), correct? They both operate in much the same way, but
have different internal mechanisms and interfaces.
What are you moving from one to the other? I agree that on
some levels they behave differently, but at the basic *nix level
they're pretty much the same.
/P
We all have to keep our eye on the mark and compete with Windows. If everyone pushed the plow in the same direction for one linux distribution, we'd make some headway. But now I see RHEL, SUSE, Gentoo, etc.
While I run 400+ servers on RHEL, and it is really, truly rock solid, I also run some SUSE, and you can't move easily from one to the other. Applications install differently. The directory structure is different. And application vendors only 'certify' to specific distributions, usually RHEL, but not always SUSE.
Feels like 1987 all over again...
For businesses the list is pared down largely to
RedHat, SuSE, Ubuntu, Xandros and Debian, and this is largely influenced by what their tech guy's preferences are!
Having so many distros is benefitial because
1. You can probably find something that when the installation (if applicable) is done you are well on your way to the system you want ot build.
2. Competition breeds innovations. Look at Windows (low-competition) vs Office, Visual Studio and SQL Server (higher competition). Windows hasn't changed much and has room to improve while the others have had to work to keep their position and it shows in the quality of their products.
3. Easier for those who want to to get involved in a project or distro, which provides an outlet for those with great ideas to make something of it without having to spend $$$$$ on something they think is just a hobby (and turns out to be a mega-hit!)
4. Allows the distro to concentrate on something (RHEL = Servers, SuSE & Ubuntu=Desktop, etc.) and do a great job instead of trying to be everything to everybody!
I think the diversity is a good thing and that it isn't as overwhelming as people keep saying it is, when you look at them.
Everything from its SATA port issues to video driver issues, to its issues with KVM switchs to its habit to not wake up from sleep. To its horrid perforance with wine.
I installed it on my system at home ran wow, in Wine spent hour tweaking and working with guys on the forums. And I managed to scrap ohh 23fps from a system that normal runs wow at 60.
Other issues laptops when you use an external monitor the Display not sizeing proper to the external display.
When posting about the SATA issue, the comment back is yah lots of people with this issue, but its on a low priority fix, make sure to keep sending more reports to try and get them to bump priority. For now just shut down sata if your not using it.
And the list goes on and on and on and on, just vist the forums.
Why did we stick with Vista and Microsoft on our desktop? It just works, seriously we don't have the time to spend hours on forums and with tech support just to make it install proper on Dell Laptops and Desktops. Way to many issues with Unbuntu right now..
the other. Applications install differently. The directory structure
is different"[/i]
Not really... there are small differences, but as long as you have
LSB going in both, basic functionality is the same, and I can take
the same source code in most instances and compile them w/o
incident in either variant.
RPM's also install pretty much the same in both cases... I think
you're referring to YaST vs. YUM (the installer package helper
apps), correct? They both operate in much the same way, but
have different internal mechanisms and interfaces.
What are you moving from one to the other? I agree that on
some levels they behave differently, but at the basic *nix level
they're pretty much the same.
/P
Gurateed 48 hours an unpatched fresh install will have lots of fun issues.
But really, Linux.. are we talking FS or APP server or DB server?
I seriously can not remeber the last time I have had to deal with a hacked Windows server. Or a virus plaqued server.
But we really dont want to talk about reality, we prefer to talk more about the.. myth.
Intresting note on this is that Red Hat is not growing there market but, expanding profit on existing install base, with service contracts.
- Strange
- by wolivere March 14, 2007 2:05 PM PDT
- When I want to catch and bait someone I toss a linux box in the DMZ.
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(60 Comments)Gurateed 48 hours an unpatched fresh install will have lots of fun issues.
But really, Linux.. are we talking FS or APP server or DB server?
I seriously can not remeber the last time I have had to deal with a hacked Windows server. Or a virus plaqued server.
But we really dont want to talk about reality, we prefer to talk more about the.. myth.
Intresting note on this is that Red Hat is not growing there market but, expanding profit on existing install base, with service contracts.