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Why should Windoze users change?
Right now, Windoze covers virtually ALL business needs with few or no exceptions. Open Source has gaps.

Long ago, when an 8088 PC with two floppy drives cost well over $5,000, one application made them worthwhile. The Spreadsheet. VisiCalc and Lotus 123 were the Killer applications that made the cash outlay for the Finance and Accounting People worthwhile.

Microsoft drove Lotus out of the business with the Graphic Interface. People thought the look and feel of Excel was better than Lotus. WordPerfect was the king of Word Processors and Word pushed WordPerfect out with a better interface.

We now have two full generations of office employees trained in Microsoft products.

Ask yourself, What reason do they have to go through the effort to convert?  What killer app does Open Source have that either Windoze doesn't have, or is so much better that people will want to change?

Right now, NONE! There is NO perceived reason to change.

For business to adopt Open Source, the OS community must provide reasons. Free software and whining about how bad Windoze is just isnt enough for a business owner to put his / her hard earned cash at risk and pay for the conversion and training costs.

Just because most people on this forum are technoids that can adapt in a matter of seconds to any OS and application doesnt mean we are normal, as we are not. Most people want stability and if you are going to upset their world, there better be a darned good reason.

So far, Open Source hasnt provided enough of a reason. Cheap isnt enough. Better isnt enough.

Calling Business people brain dead isnt helping either.
Posted by theoldman59 (8 comments )
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The penguin is clean, so why can't you be?
Tip #1: Shave your face. UNIX beards == WRONG.
Tip #2: Just say no to borderline mullets.
Tip #3: If you must wear Birchenstocks, wear them with socks. No one -- I repeat, NO ONE -- wants to see your grimy, nasty feet.
Tip #4: Be concerned about your health and well-being. Enjoy beer, but enjoy biking 15 miles afterwards.
Tip #5: Wash your clothes. No, really: it's for your own good.
Tip #6: This isn't physical, but it manifests itself that way: rid yourself of the BOFH attitude. It's passe. If you want to be hip, teach people cool stuff and stop saying "RTFM" or "man -k".

Also, for all the flamebaiters: I've been involved with Linux since 0.99pl45 (I worked on the CSLIP code -- I doubt anyone uses THAT any more ;) ), and involved with the BSDs since 1998. Basically, I've been heavily involved in open-source "everything" for about 13 years. I've been clean-shaven and sported excellent hygeine since my early teens: but good luck getting me to wear a suit to work (interviews excluded), or sandals (Magnums, thanks).

Do I want a medal? A cookie perhaps? Nope. I'm just using myself as an example as someone WITHIN the open-source community who's ashamed at the fact that most open-source developers I'd rather not visit the abodes of. Then again, I also wouldn't visit the abodes of some schmoozy sales rep. who owns a glass mansion... or a solutions director who lives in some slum and has a living room filled with a thousand beer cans.

Examples of heavy hitters in the open-source realm who seem to understand the important of hygeine: Linus Torvalds, Eric Raymond, Theo de Raadt, Dean Gaudet (Apache Foundation, if he's still a member), and most of the MySQL and PHP developers.

It doesn't matter to me if you're a kernel programmer or a UI designer -- personal hygeine matters. So get rid of the UNIX beard, stop visually imitating the GNU gnu, but above all: have some respect for yourself.

You might be surprised how you feel afterwards -- maybe even a bit... younger.
Posted by katamari (310 comments )
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But...
...can I still watch Star Trek? I promise I'll stop dressing like a Klingon, but I really need my fix of TNG.
Posted by JFDMit (180 comments )
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The penguin is clean, so why can't you be?
Tip #1: Shave your face. UNIX beards == WRONG.
Tip #2: Just say no to borderline mullets.
Tip #3: If you must wear Birchenstocks, wear them with socks. No one -- I repeat, NO ONE -- wants to see your grimy, nasty feet.
Tip #4: Be concerned about your health and well-being. Enjoy beer, but enjoy biking 15 miles afterwards.
Tip #5: Wash your clothes. No, really: it's for your own good.
Tip #6: This isn't physical, but it manifests itself that way: rid yourself of the BOFH attitude. It's passe. If you want to be hip, teach people cool stuff and stop saying "RTFM" or "man -k".

Also, for all the flamebaiters: I've been involved with Linux since 0.99pl45 (I worked on the CSLIP code -- I doubt anyone uses THAT any more ;) ), and involved with the BSDs since 1998. Basically, I've been heavily involved in open-source "everything" for about 13 years. I've been clean-shaven and sported excellent hygeine since my early teens: but good luck getting me to wear a suit to work (interviews excluded), or sandals (Magnums, thanks).

Do I want a medal? A cookie perhaps? Nope. I'm just using myself as an example as someone WITHIN the open-source community who's ashamed at the fact that most open-source developers I'd rather not visit the abodes of. Then again, I also wouldn't visit the abodes of some schmoozy sales rep. who owns a glass mansion... or a solutions director who lives in some slum and has a living room filled with a thousand beer cans.

Examples of heavy hitters in the open-source realm who seem to understand the important of hygeine: Linus Torvalds, Eric Raymond, Theo de Raadt, Dean Gaudet (Apache Foundation, if he's still a member), and most of the MySQL and PHP developers.

It doesn't matter to me if you're a kernel programmer or a UI designer -- personal hygeine matters. So get rid of the UNIX beard, stop visually imitating the GNU gnu, but above all: have some respect for yourself.

You might be surprised how you feel afterwards -- maybe even a bit... younger.
Posted by katamari (310 comments )
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But...
...can I still watch Star Trek? I promise I'll stop dressing like a Klingon, but I really need my fix of TNG.
Posted by JFDMit (180 comments )
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I'll grow a 3rd teat.....
before these Linux shops evere "get it".

It's not the clothes Einstein.....it's the product's model for taking over the desktop.

Geez! Open source would be a great thing if the guys in charge of such products would get their heads out of their output ports and look at just what made Microsoft the HUGE success it is today!

There is no shame in adopting a business model that works.....but, there is shame (and the obvious failure) that goes with ignoring it.

If a Linux distro would listen to (and implement) just 3 basic concepts, they could take begin the real takeover of the desktop in as little as 2 years.

But, as much as I wish they would, they won't. They won't even listen.

It's suprising that a group of people that know so damned much that they don't even entertain ideas different from thiers can be such collosal failures at thier stated goal of desktop dominance.

At this point, Linux and Apple are the consumers' worst enemies. They exist solely as an excuse for Microsoft to get out of being broken up (OS from apps) as a monopoly.

They certainly aren't viable as a desktop alternative.

TO ANY DISTRO HEADS THAT MAY BE READING THIS THREAD : Go ahead (if you got the penguin pits for it) and contact me - HubbardSoftware.net. I'll be glad to show you what you are missing and why (until you get what you are missing) you'll always be a footnote in desktop history.
Posted by Jim Hubbard (326 comments )
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Apple and Linux. . .
are not twins separated at birth. I don't believe the criticisms
being directed at open source fellows (there are hardly any women)
apply to Apple. The reasons why it lost market share and is
having a hard time getting it back are unique to Apple itself.
Posted by J.G. (837 comments )
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I'll grow a 3rd teat.....
before these Linux shops evere "get it".

It's not the clothes Einstein.....it's the product's model for taking over the desktop.

Geez! Open source would be a great thing if the guys in charge of such products would get their heads out of their output ports and look at just what made Microsoft the HUGE success it is today!

There is no shame in adopting a business model that works.....but, there is shame (and the obvious failure) that goes with ignoring it.

If a Linux distro would listen to (and implement) just 3 basic concepts, they could take begin the real takeover of the desktop in as little as 2 years.

But, as much as I wish they would, they won't. They won't even listen.

It's suprising that a group of people that know so damned much that they don't even entertain ideas different from thiers can be such collosal failures at thier stated goal of desktop dominance.

At this point, Linux and Apple are the consumers' worst enemies. They exist solely as an excuse for Microsoft to get out of being broken up (OS from apps) as a monopoly.

They certainly aren't viable as a desktop alternative.

TO ANY DISTRO HEADS THAT MAY BE READING THIS THREAD : Go ahead (if you got the penguin pits for it) and contact me - HubbardSoftware.net. I'll be glad to show you what you are missing and why (until you get what you are missing) you'll always be a footnote in desktop history.
Posted by Jim Hubbard (326 comments )
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Apple and Linux. . .
are not twins separated at birth. I don't believe the criticisms
being directed at open source fellows (there are hardly any women)
apply to Apple. The reasons why it lost market share and is
having a hard time getting it back are unique to Apple itself.
Posted by J.G. (837 comments )
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I'll grow a 3rd teat.....
before these Linux shops evere "get it".

It's not the clothes Einstein.....it's the product's model for taking over the desktop.

Geez! Open source would be a great thing if the guys in charge of such products would get their heads out of their output ports and look at just what made Microsoft the HUGE success it is today!

There is no shame in adopting a business model that works.....but, there is shame (and the obvious failure) that goes with ignoring it.

If a Linux distro would listen to (and implement) just 3 basic concepts, they could take begin the real takeover of the desktop in as little as 2 years.

But, as much as I wish they would, they won't. They won't even listen.

It's suprising that a group of people that know so damned much that they don't even entertain ideas different from thiers can be such collosal failures at thier stated goal of desktop dominance.

At this point, Linux and Apple are the consumers' worst enemies. They exist solely as an excuse for Microsoft to get out of being broken up (OS from apps) as a monopoly.

They certainly aren't viable as a desktop alternative.

TO ANY DISTRO HEADS THAT MAY BE READING THIS THREAD : Go ahead (if you got the penguin pits for it) and contact me - HubbardSoftware.net. I'll be glad to show you what you are missing and why (until you get what you are missing) you'll always be a footnote in desktop history.
Posted by Jim Hubbard (326 comments )
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I'll grow a 3rd teat.....
before these Linux shops evere "get it".

It's not the clothes Einstein.....it's the product's model for taking over the desktop.

Geez! Open source would be a great thing if the guys in charge of such products would get their heads out of their output ports and look at just what made Microsoft the HUGE success it is today!

There is no shame in adopting a business model that works.....but, there is shame (and the obvious failure) that goes with ignoring it.

If a Linux distro would listen to (and implement) just 3 basic concepts, they could take begin the real takeover of the desktop in as little as 2 years.

But, as much as I wish they would, they won't. They won't even listen.

It's suprising that a group of people that know so damned much that they don't even entertain ideas different from thiers can be such collosal failures at thier stated goal of desktop dominance.

At this point, Linux and Apple are the consumers' worst enemies. They exist solely as an excuse for Microsoft to get out of being broken up (OS from apps) as a monopoly.

They certainly aren't viable as a desktop alternative.

TO ANY DISTRO HEADS THAT MAY BE READING THIS THREAD : Go ahead (if you got the penguin pits for it) and contact me - HubbardSoftware.net. I'll be glad to show you what you are missing and why (until you get what you are missing) you'll always be a footnote in desktop history.
Posted by Jim Hubbard (326 comments )
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You're all homos...
...sapiens, that is :-) ...but where did your thought process go when you read that subject line?

Alright, now we're getting down to it. We all have immediate reactions to words, sights, overt attitudes/beliefs, etc. We're wired for it; it's a survival instinct.

Counterculture anything is suspected by the "suits" because they know that you don't like (to put it mildly) what (you think) they stand for, how (you think) they live their lives, make decisions, try to screw you over, etc.

Here's an example: I'm not exactly a big fan of the folks currently running the country/world. Which will work better: donning a tie-dye serape and singing "hey hey, ho ho [fill in the blank] has got to go" and writting an angry blog or trying to creatively apply my intelligence to learn from how they got their power and position and try to help put others in that same power and position to better affect the changes I want?

Lose the anger at the way corporate America works, buys software, and dresses and you will begin to make progress if you have a superior product and approach.

Keep the anger and the ponytails and you'll remain in a cube somewhere thinking how unfair it all is.

The really important point is that you don't have to cave in on your beliefs or morals, but you DO most certainly have to play the game if you want to win it.
Posted by rlaw68 (21 comments )
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Here, here!
Well said.
Posted by Jim Hubbard (326 comments )
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Some people do get it!
Finally, someone notes that Business is a game. You win games by learning the rules, and by the way, you can't reprogram or change the rules in this one.

The "Suits" have the money. If You want the Suits to put that money into Open Source. Then you need to give the Suits something they consider of value for thier money.

Linux Servers seem meet that criteria. Not against Windows, but against HPUX and other Unix OS's that are expensive.

Desktop? Open Source is so far from what the Suits want and the people pushing it are so noisy, it scares the suits and their money away.

So long as the Suits are the enemy, Open Source will be relegated to extremely technical options, but never the mainstream average user.

Problem is that as soon as the Open Source community caters to the Suits, the Pirate mentality must go. Most in the Open Source community are there just to be totally independant of the Suits. Seems like the Classic Deadly Embrace. Each waiting for the other to respond.

Suits worry about stupid things like getting sued by the Record Industry. Every try to legally play a DVD on Linux? My understanding is that it can't be done because no one ever purchased the rights to the Codecs required to decode the DVD. Software is there, but not legally.

This stuff scares the suits to death. They have better things to do than defend themselves from 800 lb gorillas.

Give the suits what they want and Open Source will bounce MS in less than a decade.

Problem is that Open Source doesn't give the suits what they want and never has.

I've been following Open Source for over 8 years now. The story hasn't changed. Lots of claims, lots of whining about how stupid the suits are.

Change the tune and demolish MS. It just might work.
Posted by theoldman59 (8 comments )
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Some people do get it!
Finally, someone notes that Business is a game. You win games by learning the rules, and by the way, you can't reprogram or change the rules in this one.

The "Suits" have the money. If You want the Suits to put that money into Open Source. Then you need to give the Suits something they consider of value for thier money.

Linux Servers seem meet that criteria. Not against Windows, but against HPUX and other Unix OS's that are expensive.

Desktop? Open Source is so far from what the Suits want and the people pushing it are so noisy, it scares the suits and their money away.

So long as the Suits are the enemy, Open Source will be relegated to extremely technical options, but never the mainstream average user.

Problem is that as soon as the Open Source community caters to the Suits, the Pirate mentality must go. Most in the Open Source community are there just to be totally independant of the Suits. Seems like the Classic Deadly Embrace. Each waiting for the other to respond.

Suits worry about stupid things like getting sued by the Record Industry. Every try to legally play a DVD on Linux? My understanding is that it can't be done because no one ever purchased the rights to the Codecs required to decode the DVD. Software is there, but not legally.

This stuff scares the suits to death. They have better things to do than defend themselves from 800 lb gorillas.

Give the suits what they want and Open Source will bounce MS in less than a decade.

Problem is that Open Source doesn't give the suits what they want and never has.

I've been following Open Source for over 8 years now. The story hasn't changed. Lots of claims, lots of whining about how stupid the suits are.

Change the tune and demolish MS. It just might work.
Posted by theoldman59 (8 comments )
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You're all homos...
...sapiens, that is :-) ...but where did your thought process go when you read that subject line?

Alright, now we're getting down to it. We all have immediate reactions to words, sights, overt attitudes/beliefs, etc. We're wired for it; it's a survival instinct.

Counterculture anything is suspected by the "suits" because they know that you don't like (to put it mildly) what (you think) they stand for, how (you think) they live their lives, make decisions, try to screw you over, etc.

Here's an example: I'm not exactly a big fan of the folks currently running the country/world. Which will work better: donning a tie-dye serape and singing "hey hey, ho ho [fill in the blank] has got to go" and writting an angry blog or trying to creatively apply my intelligence to learn from how they got their power and position and try to help put others in that same power and position to better affect the changes I want?

Lose the anger at the way corporate America works, buys software, and dresses and you will begin to make progress if you have a superior product and approach.

Keep the anger and the ponytails and you'll remain in a cube somewhere thinking how unfair it all is.

The really important point is that you don't have to cave in on your beliefs or morals, but you DO most certainly have to play the game if you want to win it.
Posted by rlaw68 (21 comments )
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Here, here!
Well said.
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