Comments on: Open-source LAMP a beacon to developers

Companies that thrive on Linux, Apache, MySQL and related software band together to better support corporate customers.

[parasubvert]

expense of Java and .NET are myths

Java and .NET with modern frameworks and tools are highly productive environments. To get BEA up and running, you download WebLogic, run the installer, and go. I have rarely seen an environment where one can't set up such a server to hook up with databases, LDAP servers, etc. within a few hours.

Big companies spend a lot of money on developers that don't know the langauge, or the newer frameworks, or on operations support departments that have very high taxes on just getting servers and disks installed. If you switch to LAMP, none of this will change, and it will probably get worse. The technology really isn't the problem.

And let's not get into reliability, scalability, and feature richness of databases, shall we?

reliability and scalability

Reliability and scalability with LAMP? You'll see no change in these by switching to a LAMP setup. In fact, it opens more options than you would have with .NET or Java.

I've been running my business with a LAMP setup for years and I've never had any problems with development time, reliability, or scalability as the company has grown. And yes, we've grown (approx. 600% since Jan. 2004).

An experienced PHP and MySQL developer can create the exact same applications that .NET and Java can and typically do it in less time. Plus, using PHP's built in ways of incorporating Java into PHP scripts, you get the best of both worlds when the need arises.

Corporations should embrace LAMP, as it is a much more cost-effective technology base than anything else out there.

[parasubvert]

expense of Java and .NET are myths

Java and .NET with modern frameworks and tools are highly productive environments. To get BEA up and running, you download WebLogic, run the installer, and go. I have rarely seen an environment where one can't set up such a server to hook up with databases, LDAP servers, etc. within a few hours.

Big companies spend a lot of money on developers that don't know the langauge, or the newer frameworks, or on operations support departments that have very high taxes on just getting servers and disks installed. If you switch to LAMP, none of this will change, and it will probably get worse. The technology really isn't the problem.

And let's not get into reliability, scalability, and feature richness of databases, shall we?

reliability and scalability

Reliability and scalability with LAMP? You'll see no change in these by switching to a LAMP setup. In fact, it opens more options than you would have with .NET or Java.

I've been running my business with a LAMP setup for years and I've never had any problems with development time, reliability, or scalability as the company has grown. And yes, we've grown (approx. 600% since Jan. 2004).

An experienced PHP and MySQL developer can create the exact same applications that .NET and Java can and typically do it in less time. Plus, using PHP's built in ways of incorporating Java into PHP scripts, you get the best of both worlds when the need arises.

Corporations should embrace LAMP, as it is a much more cost-effective technology base than anything else out there.

Best of both worlds...

So what's the, dilemma between java and lamp, I use Lamp because of Mysql and PHP integration so i could deploy calendar system on. All my local network clients run on 100 % java code built on Netbeans. On the server side java RMI & EJB's all connected to lamp to use mysql. Lamp publishes my java jnlp apps with Apache web server. If anything Java and Lamp complement each other very nicely. I downloaded all Java tools & Lamp tools and no cost for free. I do not use any of the vendors that were mentioned. So where is the large cost overhead in part on java system? I run one linux server with lamp, and one on MSserver2003, I have users that are 80 % windows users, and the rest linux, becasue i forced to :).

Best of both worlds...

So what's the, dilemma between java and lamp, I use Lamp because of Mysql and PHP integration so i could deploy calendar system on. All my local network clients run on 100 % java code built on Netbeans. On the server side java RMI & EJB's all connected to lamp to use mysql. Lamp publishes my java jnlp apps with Apache web server. If anything Java and Lamp complement each other very nicely. I downloaded all Java tools & Lamp tools and no cost for free. I do not use any of the vendors that were mentioned. So where is the large cost overhead in part on java system? I run one linux server with lamp, and one on MSserver2003, I have users that are 80 % windows users, and the rest linux, becasue i forced to :).

Python is miles ahead of Java and .Net (and PHP or Perl)

I have more than 5 years of development experience in Java, PHP and Perl, around 3 in C# and around 1 year in Python.

My resume is that Python wins. Is miles ahead of any other development software/platform. Available software for Python ( twisted, Zope/Plone, pySim, ...) ussually makes the most advanced commercial java or .net software look like an inmature prototype.
What's more important and decisive to me, once I changed to Python I have been able to complete more projects in less time, which means more money, more profits, more quality of live.
Final projects are always much less buggy, because I use around 25% of Java/C# code to do the same task and final code is much easier to read and refactor.
For example, a personalized Document Management system using Plone and Python archetypes takes around 200 lines of codes (two weeks summing up analysis, development, testing and final deployment). That same project with Java or Net could take a minimun of 3 months.

That internet monster called Google uses Python as core development platform. I don't think is a casuality that they have such a great success.

Python is miles ahead of Java and .Net (and PHP or Perl)

I have more than 5 years of development experience in Java, PHP and Perl, around 3 in C# and around 1 year in Python.

My resume is that Python wins. Is miles ahead of any other development software/platform. Available software for Python ( twisted, Zope/Plone, pySim, ...) ussually makes the most advanced commercial java or .net software look like an inmature prototype.
What's more important and decisive to me, once I changed to Python I have been able to complete more projects in less time, which means more money, more profits, more quality of live.
Final projects are always much less buggy, because I use around 25% of Java/C# code to do the same task and final code is much easier to read and refactor.
For example, a personalized Document Management system using Plone and Python archetypes takes around 200 lines of codes (two weeks summing up analysis, development, testing and final deployment). That same project with Java or Net could take a minimun of 3 months.

That internet monster called Google uses Python as core development platform. I don't think is a casuality that they have such a great success.

[johnqh]

Use WIMP instead

Windows Server 2003/IIS/mySQL/PHP.

It is much easier to install/maintain than LAMP, and the coding for mySQL/PHP is the same.

[Bill Dautrive]

And be locked in forever and suffer security flaws?

No thanks.

[johnqh]

Use WIMP instead

Windows Server 2003/IIS/mySQL/PHP.

It is much easier to install/maintain than LAMP, and the coding for mySQL/PHP is the same.

[Bill Dautrive]

And be locked in forever and suffer security flaws?

No thanks.

[Johnny Mnemonic]

CPAN

Ever hear of it? Check it out:

www.cpan.org

This is Perl's killer app. I have found no equal.

[Johnny Mnemonic]

CPAN

Ever hear of it? Check it out:

www.cpan.org

This is Perl's killer app. I have found no equal.

python and agile programming

python has given our companies man years of advantage versus our competitors who toil with armies of java and ASP .NET programmers. For web publishing you dont need a strongly typed language and a complile and test cycle whih takes too damn long.

python and agile programming

python has given our companies man years of advantage versus our competitors who toil with armies of java and ASP .NET programmers. For web publishing you dont need a strongly typed language and a complile and test cycle whih takes too damn long.

[mentalbarcode]

Open Source Talent

LAMP is the perfect combination for startup companies.

www.ostalent.com

[mentalbarcode]

Open Source Talent

LAMP is the perfect combination for startup companies.

www.ostalent.com