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As of March 1, 2007, all new TV and video products imported into the U.S. or shipped to retailers that include an analog (NTSC) tuner need to have a digital (ATSC) tuner as well. What does that mean to consumers?

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retro or real oldTV
by JimSoftware February 10, 2007 8:54 AM PST
Is that photo of the bare tube on a pivit on the nice box a real product? Is it available now? or when was it available? It is wayCool!
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Predictas are retro
by make_or_break February 10, 2007 9:51 AM PST
The current sets are based on an original Philco design from the late '50s (I think). Anyways, go to predicta.com to see all the variations on the theme.
An oldie for sure
by jmcobb February 14, 2007 7:26 AM PST
That was Philco's futuristic swivel screen TV from the mid 1950's. Sure was sharp. Never did catch on, though--back then big console sets were all the rage.
Whats the Pros and Cons?
by MauiMac February 13, 2007 12:29 PM PST
Whats the Pros and Cons of this new law comming in 2009? Will rural areas now
have access to High/er def tv?
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it remains to be seen
by jpfalcone February 13, 2007 12:54 PM PST
The 2009 date is just when the plug gets pulled on the analog stations. In the meantime, the digital stations are already here. Right now, any station that's broadcasting over-the-air analog TV should also be broadcasting the digital version as well. If you upgrade to a new TV (or one of these forthcoming devices with a built-in digital tuner), you should be able to receive the digital programming today (for free). Assuming you're getting a solid signal, you can get HD channels and standard-def digital channels with crystal clear clarity.

Complete info on getting DTV and HDTV via an antenna is available here:
http://www.cnet.com/4520-7874_1-5108854-1.html
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Pros and cons to the new Law
by bear740 February 14, 2007 7:24 AM PST
For one thing it should never be a law. There are, believe it or not, many people especially older people who do not care for cable or dish, all they want is to watch the news and local stuff, that is all, they do not care about pay per view or movie channels. Now they will have to purchase the Cable basic and further deplete some of their fixed incomes. This is nothing more than screwing the people who do not want cable or the dish. Free television was free because that is why we have commercials. I have digital cable and I now see more commercials than I ever have, and when the station breaks, the commercials will go on for 5 minutes. I thought because I was paying for cable/dish that commercials would not be involved. I know some are mainly on superstations like Atlanta, but I do not think the Sci-Fi network should have commercials but they do.
Why are you making such a big mistake?
by arkster February 13, 2007 3:48 PM PST
Going DIGITAL doesn't mean High Definition.
My cable company replaced all analog boxes with digital 2 years ago, and what? Do I get all programming in HD? Of course not. This is the biggest misunderstanding - oh, digital, that means better. Well not true. Now my cable company gives me over 200 channels in bad digital resolution, which is a SD resolution just transmitted digitally. Doesn't make me enjoy my tv better, there still only 15 HD channels, rest is terrible. Congress has to make sure - EVERYTHING IS TRANSMITTED IN HD, not just digital. Please always explain the difference to people, and please someone explain it to congress, they don't get it.
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I'm Waiting; Friends & Neighbors Are Rushing
by rcblinn February 13, 2007 10:10 PM PST
While my friends and neighbors are off to buy wide-screen HD flat-panel TV's, I'm sitting back and waiting. I figure that, with so few HD channels available and the technology in transition from analog to digital, there's not much point in rushing out to buy a TV that's out in front of the broadcast technology.

As the analog to digital conversion advances, HD will become more of a universal standard. But until then, the wide-screen HD flat-panels will still be mostly a 4:3 monitor, so why bother. I('m going to wait for broadcasters to catch up to what HD-TV's can handle, and in the meantime, prices will come down even further.
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Has anyone even considered environmental issues..
by zombiasnow February 14, 2007 12:41 AM PST
Where are all these Trashed televisions going to go...?
The Dump? I'm sure, just as the threat of PC Monitors is to our Landfills and (..GOD forgive us..) Ozone, discarded tv's are equally as hazardous. I employ the younger generations of BIG Corporations to start thinking beyond the immediate. Before you create, find a way to make it earth=friendly, so that when it's time to toss it, the following gens will still have a world to create for...or from. {:) PEACE
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I'll wait. Life is too short to waste.
by SysIndepend February 14, 2007 6:28 AM PST
I have six TV's in the house, one over ten years old with only (gasp) one input, which has (double gasp) rabbit ears attached. The kids use them for video games or to watch what comes in over the air. As a family, we watch four hours of TV during the week. The kids watch some Saturday morning cartoons, but not the ones I want to watch. Even though we have a 37 inch TV in the "den", everyone piles on our bed to watch shows on our 27" TV. Had cable, had satelite, now get a lot more things done, and the kids get mostly A's in school. When there are no more analog signals, I'll buy a converter box. Now that I'm thinking about it, might even start looking to see what's available.
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the end isn't so near
by Frxdy February 14, 2007 7:08 AM PST
As far as I know there's still a clause in the change over date.... 2009 OR when 80% of all households have HD TV's. It could easily be 10 or 15 years before analog is discontinued.
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Responsible Gun Ownership
by R41 February 14, 2007 7:40 AM PST
I am an advocate of safe, responsible, and correct firearm ownership. That is why, about 15 years go, I took my guns, about $100 in ammo (from K-Mart) and my TV out into the desert. There I used the guns to "repair" the TV so that it would no longer receive trash programming. I have had no TV in my home since then. I consider a person with SIX TV's to be very seriously diseased and to be guilty of child endangerment.
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Now that was bloody irresponsible of you...
by Wolfie2k5 February 14, 2007 1:42 PM PST
So you took your TV out into the middle of nowhere and used it for target practice. In destroying your TV, you've undoubtably scattered toxic bits of it all over the area. Not to mention the LEAD from all those rounds.

Great job poisoning the environment and endangering the wildlife!
DTV is the worst
by insane consumer February 14, 2007 7:50 AM PST
Digital television may be the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American public by an unknowing Congress and greedy lobbyists. If analog is turned off in two years, millions of people will be left without television service. Not everyone can afford cable or satellite service or even new televisions. Also, digital television only works with a strong signal which means that people in the countryside will be left without reception. DTV reception in Columbia is spotty at best, requires a directional attenna, and frequently drops out unexpectly. It is non-existent further away in rural areas. At least with analog, a crummy picture is better than no picture at all.
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Some rural folks may have to do without
by albizzia February 14, 2007 7:14 PM PST
When I was working for an electronics store, I delivered a new digital widescreen to someone living in the hills just outside of the city, set it up, and found his antenna could pick up analog signals, but not one digital broadcast! He was outside the cable area, and sattelite was iffy because of the mountains.

I'm wondering how much squawking will happen when a substantial number of rural people suddenly find themselves without any TV? The ad men and broadcasters can't be happy with loosing viewers!
No more black!!
by raoulleon February 14, 2007 7:57 AM PST
Are you guys 14 years old?? What's with the black background? It's ugly and makes it hard to read the text.

Geez, grow up.
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Yeah.. NO doubt..
by Wolfie2k5 February 14, 2007 1:34 PM PST
It's not so much the black background - it's the OTHER colors they throw on top that are a pain to read - dark red on black for instance. Dark Blue on black is likewise a cause for eyestrain.
Black background is cool easy on the eyes.
by AzraelExael February 14, 2007 8:37 AM PST
Keep the page as it is. Back background is cool and a lot easier on the eyes.
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The beginnign of the end of Analog TV
by agcat11 February 14, 2007 8:59 AM PST
Planned obsolescence is a present day reality. There are refrigerators built in the 1930's still seen operating well in this very year. Why? Because people used to build things to the best standards they knew how.

Today as Professor Dan Shade, past professor at Deleware Universisty said to me (Paraphrase) "In our rush for the new and more technology, we should stop and think of what we should save of the old." Something to that effect.

In other words without planned obsolescence the profit motive of greedy mass contollers, and we are the masses, and the manufacturers are the controllers, they will not be happy with their "take" from us. We are always being manipulated out of our dollars. If there is a downturn in the purchase of products, a long ago shelved improvement is brought out to get people to "credit card spend" to get "the latest"

We could well have had better computers long ago. The dual processor idea is not new, just shelved until it could be used as "the latest". Mother Board architecture was well enough understood a long time ago that Mother Boards board could well have been designed to "accomodate" a singe processor or dual processosrs or even quad processors, all or either. The cry wiil be heard about how the software developement would be impossible for for such machines. Of course not, one would never expect the softwatre manufacturers to even want the old to work along side the new "planned" better software and "improved" yet limiting "better" computers. The computer manufactureres who have deals struck with the software producers, being in concert, long before we are milked of our money.

The computer manufactureres do not want the old to forever be usable as long as a person lives and wants to use certain products. Example. We had in use at one time a software program that we used to contact people in marketing. That software program was very versitile. However it operated on DOS and became too difficult to run and deal with in the new "better?" computers environment. The long and the short of this story is that we have found nothing since that can compare with the simplicity and functional use and ease, of the program we no longer use in contacting people and tracking that information, that we so loved. With all of the touted try our "lateast and improved " malarky that is thrown before our eyes, sparkling as ads on the wonderfully illustrated new boxes that house the new product, touted as better, we have not found it's equal. The computer industry has it's "think tank" of spin doctors too.

As for brand names. We have an analog Panasonic 25" TV. It will not be junked. At least not until it breaks down. Mostly it is used to view videos or DVD material. It might be added here that it has had a longer life than that of several off beat brands that had stood where it now stands. It has remained a solid performer.

What is the push behind the new TV standards that are being forced upon us? The usual detective method of "follow the money" would revel more collusion than the public could stand or we suspect so goes the thinking of those that have power to unveil much that is hidden. Of course the push for "new" means the prying open of our pockets to drain more capital at just the time when the planners and controllers have arranged to open the flood gates of our financial veins as we are not spending heavily enough to please them.

It is not to say that we are against the new. We as many others, dislike intensly, being the "fatted calf". We bought a new computer this year and it sits along with an older computer in our main office which both run on XP. We also have two other computers in another office location which are older yet and run on Windows 98. Here is the upgrade that is planned.

We will install Windows XP, on the Windows 98 Operating System computers. Windows XP crashes much less than Windows 98 and will control much larger hard drives. The hard drives will be upgraded to high capacity and that is all. For general officce service they wil serve well for many years to come. At some point , soon, LCD viewers will be added of lesser brand names as soon as we get a feel from friendly business associates concerning what works in off brand names of LCD viewers for them. The reasons for this is to reduce eye strain and eliminate the radiation now being absorsbed by the humans that sit in front of the cathode ray tube viewers.

This is one of the areas of great interest to us. Viewers of LCD nature and preferrably LED nature. This technoology could have been brought out sooner. Please, save us the "technology lag" rebuttal excuse. We do not buy it. The increase in cancer in the world has us concerned with the electronic caused radiation from cathode ray type viewers. As breat cancer is rising, our thought is with all of the women getting this radiation directly onto the torso at close range, one thing needed is to get away from the cathode ray tube viewer technology radiation at a fast run.

We are involved in sales of new new technology, but not in the electronic field. We do mundane work such as increasing gas mileage, extending engine life, reducing exhaust pollution, obtaining more engine power and much more; with "new" products that work well in the real world. We are involved with "new" areas of technology which are proven to work well in these areas of need, but we are not ready to encourage everyone throw away their present car or over the road truck just because we need cleaner air and better gas mileage. Our philosophy is a little different than that the electronics field as we can make the old perform much better and serve for years to come.


UYMI Agcat11

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I'm in England, and I already have this.
by aaronvanderwal February 14, 2007 9:58 AM PST
Hi, I'm living in the UK right now and they have a system called freeview with 30 free digital channels. http://www.freeview.co.uk/

It's not compatible with ATSC (of course!) but it is widely deployed already. When I moved here last year, I bought a TV and a Sony DVD/PVR combo both with built-in freeview tuners. I can record in digital from a free digital transmission to the 160GB hard disc or the DVD+-RW, or dub from one to the other. I'm going to miss it when I move home!
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High cost TV's
by Catmoves February 14, 2007 10:52 AM PST
Two things occur to me: 1) My local TV technician still keeps telling me that the "new" television sets are poorly constructed with cheap parts and will need far more maintenance and repair than the old sets. 2) What in the world does anyone think is on television that could be worth a couple of thousand dollars to watch? I find it a vast wasteland.
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CAPITALISM
by blastart February 14, 2007 9:22 PM PST
Its all about the benjamans. You no longer have a choice. If you are going to watch TV you are going to pay for it. The only good thing about that is the programming they are wanting you to pay for is so bad or commercial packed I don't think I am going to have any problem going back to books and the occaisional dvd. Play some games with the wife and kid. Yeah, expensive TV's and pay per view television, could be the best thing that ever happened to america.
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CAPITALISM
by blastart February 14, 2007 9:22 PM PST
Its all about the benjamans. You no longer have a choice. If you are going to watch TV you are going to pay for it. The only good thing about that is the programming they are wanting you to pay for is so bad or commercial packed I don't think I am going to have any problem going back to books and the occaisional dvd. Play some games with the wife and kid. Yeah, expensive TV's and pay per view television, could be the best thing that ever happened to america.
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Analog TV is dying?
by khunter08 February 15, 2007 10:40 AM PST
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Analog TV is dying?
by khunter08 February 15, 2007 10:41 AM PST
This was the first I'd heard of it. D**n! I've got 3 TV's to replace.
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Death to Analog
by gigabob February 15, 2007 5:46 PM PST
Viva Cortez! - No going back now...
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Who cares?
by jfrykman November 22, 2007 7:10 AM PST
You can buy a digital converter for around $50 if you are getting your signal off the air (OTA) and you still own an analog NTSC TV. If you have cable or satellite, you don't use your TV's OTA tuner anyway, so it's a non issue.

Technology progresses. That's its nature. Digital (ATSC) television offers many advantages over analog (NTSC), the most obvious of which is picture and sound quality.

Time to join the 20th century. If you haven't noticed, it is already the 21st!
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